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Title: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 02, 2005, 02:59:39 PM
It is funny how countries like England and France have always criticized the US about having such a high crime rate and how they bragged about how calm and safe their cities were. Notice how things have changed in those countries as they have become  more and more diverse over the past few years.




http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051102/D8DK29480.html

PARIS (AP) - Unrest spread across troubled suburbs around Paris in a sixth night of violence Tuesday as police clashed with angry youths and scores of vehicles were torched in at least nine towns, local officials said.

Police in riot gear fired rubber bullets at advancing gangs of youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois - one of the worst-hit suburbs - where 15 cars were burned, said the prefecture that runs the Seine-Saint-Denis region. Youths lobbed Molotov cocktails at an annex to the town hall and threw stones at the firehouse. It was not immediately clear whether there were injuries from the clashes.

Four people were arrested for throwing stones at police in nearby Bondy where 14 cars were burned, the prefecture said. A fire engulfed a carpet store, but it was not immediately clear whether the blaze was linked to the suburban unrest.

Officials gave an initial count of 69 vehicles torched in nine suburbs across the Seine-Saint-Denis region that arcs Paris on the north and northeast.

The area, home mainly to families of immigrant origin, often from Muslim North Africa, is marked by soaring unemployment and delinquency. Anger and despair thrive in the tall cinder-block towers and long "bars" that typically make up housing projects in France.

No trouble was immediately reported in Clichy-sous-Bois, where rioting began Thursday following the accidental deaths of two teenagers hiding to escape police in a power substation.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy - blamed by many for fanning the violence with tough talk and harsh tactics - met Tuesday night in Paris with youths and officials from Clichy-sous-Bois in a bid to cap days of rioting. But the unrest spread even as they met. Sarkozy recently referred to the troublemakers as "scum" and "riffraff."

An Associated Press Television news team witnessed confrontations between about 20 police and 40 youths in Aulnay-sous-Bois with police firing tear gas and rubber bullets.

Officials said that "small, very mobile gangs" were harassing police and setting fires to garbage cans and vehicles throughout the region.

France-Info radio said some 150 blazes were reported in garbage bins, cars and buildings across Seine-Saint-Denis. The unrest highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor satellites.

Tension had mounted throughout Tuesday after young men torched cars, garbage bins and even a primary school 24 hours earlier. Scores of cars were reported burned Monday night in Clichy-sous-Bois and 13 people were jailed.

Youths set two rooms of a primary school in Sevran on fire Monday along with several cars, Mayor Stephane Gatignon said in a statement.

Unrest was triggered by the deaths of two teenagers electrocuted in a power substation where they hid to escape police. A third was injured. Officials have said police were not pursuing the boys, aged 15 and 17.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin met Tuesday with the parents of the three families, promising a full investigation of the deaths and insisting on "the need to restore calm," the prime minister's office said.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 02, 2005, 03:09:56 PM
are you sure you didnt wanna include some degrading comments about muslims? i didnt notice any in there.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: coola on November 02, 2005, 04:19:52 PM
i didnt read that article... but its true, the arabs cause like 80% of the problems in france... they have no respect.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: [sepehr] on November 02, 2005, 05:01:42 PM
Not muslim, but I don't know why your ass has to have them under a microscope 24/7, how about posting some positive stuff for a change? Bitch?
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Trauma-san on November 03, 2005, 06:45:19 AM
Socialist Country, - 20% unemployment. 
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Seer on November 03, 2005, 07:11:49 AM

french people are up their own asses.. man.. they look down on each other let alone immigrants..

to my knowledge this hasn't even hit the news here.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Jome on November 03, 2005, 07:18:10 AM
The one thing that seems extremely pussy, is how they throw molotov cocktails, stones & misc. objects at police, and then when it's SHOWDOWN TIME, they run inside mosques and call blasphemy.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Jome on November 03, 2005, 07:18:47 AM
to my knowledge this hasn't even hit the news here.

Wtf, it's been one of the top stories here for 2-3 days..  ???
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Trauma-san on November 03, 2005, 07:21:41 AM
Aren't these the same motherfuckers who don't let their women shave, and take 2 month vacations every year? 
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 03, 2005, 08:40:56 AM

french people are up their own asses.. man.. they look down on each other let alone immigrants..

to my knowledge this hasn't even hit the news here.
its been on bbc website for days
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 03, 2005, 12:55:12 PM
Quote
Aren't these the same motherfuckers who don't let their women shave, and take 2 month vacations every year?


umm, i dont know about the shaving thing dude, thats just somethin the hicks here in America say to perpetutate the beef we got w/ em. but yeah those lazy bastards take months off, which we would all do as well if we could.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Seer on November 03, 2005, 12:59:19 PM

french people are up their own asses.. man.. they look down on each other let alone immigrants..

to my knowledge this hasn't even hit the news here.
its been on bbc website for days

my exposure to the news these days is via the daily star the guy at work buys.. lol

oh and a sneaky peak at the bosses telegraph if i'm in before he is
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 03, 2005, 01:01:18 PM
yea when i was working last year i'd buy the sun and the times because it only takes 10 minutes to read the sun and and you could spend a good couple of hours on the times....
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 03, 2005, 05:26:27 PM
In light of the riots in France and the terrorists attacks in Britain, do you guys think the Europeans might start to question their current immigration policies. If they don't, I think we could be looking at civil war there within 100 years.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 03, 2005, 05:59:42 PM
Yes, the diversity is the reason for crime and riots. Maybe we should all fuck our sisters and keep it in the family so our offspring will be too retarded to riot or do anything for that matter. Genius.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 04, 2005, 02:18:25 AM
In light of the riots in France and the terrorists attacks in Britain, do you guys think the Europeans might start to question their current immigration policies. If they don't, I think we could be looking at civil war there within 100 years.
we are already questioning immigration policies, that was the big battle ground of the last election... i'm more against asylum seekers because most of them are basically criminals and terrorists, but true asylum seekers who are persucuted for their belief should always be alowed in, and i think we have too many economic migrants, we should only let those in who we have a need we have a gap in the markets for or those who have historical roots in britain
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on November 04, 2005, 08:28:50 AM
Hahahaha, some of those Paris neighbourhoods the Police cant go into

Fire pon Babylon lik em up BLAAAAADDTTTTT
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 04, 2005, 09:35:13 AM
Hahahaha, some of those Paris neighbourhoods the Police cant go into

Fire pon Babylon lik em up BLAAAAADDTTTTT

Another magnificent contribution from Tech.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Doggystylin on November 04, 2005, 10:48:31 AM
Hahahaha, some of those Paris neighbourhoods the Police cant go into

Fire pon Babylon lik em up BLAAAAADDTTTTT

Another magnificent contribution from Tech.


LMAO
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on November 04, 2005, 12:35:39 PM
Hahahaha, some of those Paris neighbourhoods the Police cant go into

Fire pon Babylon lik em up BLAAAAADDTTTTT

Another magnificent contribution from Tech.

Ritz over here is finally starting to become comfortable sayin my name.....
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 04, 2005, 01:32:56 PM
Hahahaha, some of those Paris neighbourhoods the Police cant go into

Fire pon Babylon lik em up BLAAAAADDTTTTT

Another magnificent contribution from Tech.

Ritz over here is finally starting to become comfortable sayin my name.....

LMFAO @ Ritz

Tech is the coldest muthafucka in here.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Machiavelli on November 04, 2005, 01:37:46 PM
Whats your obesseion with posting up rioting news...
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 04, 2005, 01:39:47 PM
Tech is soft, J bananas is colder than a snowmans asshole
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 04, 2005, 02:41:57 PM

LMFAO @ Ritz

Tech is the coldest muthafucka in here.

You find racial slurs humorous?
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 04, 2005, 02:49:14 PM

LMFAO @ Ritz

Tech is the coldest muthafucka in here.

You find racial slurs humorous?

Yes I do. All kinds.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 04, 2005, 02:54:42 PM
i heard my brother refer to a black guy as "jasper". i didnt get it but thought it was pretty funny
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 04, 2005, 02:59:02 PM
That must be old school. Never heard of that.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 05, 2005, 02:26:50 AM
haha shits getting serious....

French police have arrested more than 250 people following fresh riots in and around Paris and other parts of France.
Nearly 900 cars were burnt on the ninth consecutive night of unrest in immigrant-dominated areas near Paris, despite a heavy police presence.

Nurseries and a school were burnt overnight and unrest spread to Nice, Lille, Marseille and Toulouse.

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Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Noname on November 05, 2005, 02:42:39 AM
Its now already 9 nights straight riots. Its anarchy in france.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: 7even on November 05, 2005, 05:29:05 AM
dem dawgz is gettin buckwild for realz
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 05, 2005, 09:31:39 AM
Its now already 9 nights straight riots. Its anarchy in france.

Isn't multiculturalism great??????
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 05, 2005, 06:53:07 PM
Its now already 9 nights straight riots. Its anarchy in france.

Isn't multiculturalism great??????

It's just that simple, huh?
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Javier on November 05, 2005, 07:38:00 PM
Its now already 9 nights straight riots. Its anarchy in france.

Isn't multiculturalism great??????

It's just that simple, huh?


LMAO.  Duh.  Just look at california.  We have armenians shooting up latinos, asians doing drive bys on whites, Jews shitting outside the Church of Scientology, gays raping males...its madness!!
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on November 05, 2005, 10:49:50 PM
Tech is soft, J bananas is colder than a snowmans asshole

These no name aliases are useless. Lurking in the shadows, spam posting, referring to male assholes...disgusting,.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 05, 2005, 11:31:11 PM
haha. lurking in the shadows. like C.H.U.D.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 06, 2005, 01:56:22 AM
I kick it with Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, even a few Hindus and none of us went to war. I guess it musat be different in Ohio.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 06, 2005, 02:04:55 AM
france has suffered its heaviest riot damage yet as warnings of tough prison sentences failed to deter arsonists.

Police reported 1,295 vehicle burnings and made 312 arrests as unrest in African and Arab communities spread to Strasbourg, Toulouse and Nantes.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Fonky Fresh on November 06, 2005, 07:25:22 AM
If we had guns in France i guarantee u that would be some tragedy
Actually some have guns but thats a very small part, maybe 1% of the ghetto youths
so u can consider these riots as a general warning in france which can ends with something bigger
the facts are that, there is since almost 20 years a latent racism against the muslim population ).U can add to that the economic crisis which is devastating all the europe from france to germany to spain etc...due to high oil prices & high unemployment rate(almost 10% by now i believe in france),high prices for decent flats & social houses,high companies relocations rate (from france to poorest countries like eastern european countries&northern africa countries,this led people to be on strike many MANY times lately) & LAST BUT NOT LEAST>HIGH TAXES due to all kind of stuff but to simplificate france has lot of fiscal debts... so people pay lot of taxes.
U can also add to that young diplomates syndrome to simplificate: if u are black with a master degree dont even count to get a good job ,thats very true too if ure white these days.That led young diplomates to reach US countries & find a good job ,thats why u can find lot of frenchies in US :)
The highest french coporations are handled by christian&jewish people which seems to shit all over muslim people that means no arabic & black people to represent em in the medias or on a political level (well not that many)
These problems reach in a negative way all kind of people & it's expanding to the white middle class.
Actually in france the immigration rate is one the lowest of all europe since policians realised that the integration(many years ago now) wasnt successful.
Here u can see ''the behind the scenes'' of whats goin on from my town to Paris.

ps:don't believe cnn & fox <-full of bs
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 06, 2005, 07:35:38 AM
If we had guns in France i guarantee u that would be some tragedy
Actually some have guns but thats a very small part, maybe 1% of the ghetto youths
so u can consider these riots as a general warning in france which can ends with something bigger
the facts are that, there is since almost 20 years a latent racism against the muslim population ).U can add to that the economic crisis which is devastating all the europe from france to germany to spain etc...due to high oil prices & high unemployment rate(almost 10% by now i believe in france),high prices for decent flats & social houses,high companies relocations rate (from france to poorest countries like eastern european countries&northern africa countries,this led people to be on strike many MANY times lately) & LAST BUT NOT LEAST>HIGH TAXES due to all kind of stuff but to simplificate france has lot of fiscal debts... so people pay lot of taxes.
U can also add to that young diplomates syndrome to simplificate: if u are black with a master degree dont even count to get a good job ,thats very true too if ure white these days.That led young diplomates to reach US countries & find a good job ,thats why u can find lot of frenchies in US :)
The highest french coporations are handled by christian&jewish people which seems to shit all over muslim people that means no arabic & black people to represent em in the medias or on a political level (well not that many)
These problems reach in a negative way all kind of people & it's expanding to the white middle class.
Actually in france the immigration rate is one the lowest of all europe since policians realised that the integration(many years ago now) wasnt successful.
Here u can see ''the behind the scenes'' of whats goin on from my town to Paris.

ps:don't believe cnn & fox <-full of bs
the fundemental reason for all your trouble is that the french are selfish, aragoant, rascist fucks who don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves....
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 06, 2005, 08:40:43 AM
If we had guns in France i guarantee u that would be some tragedy
Actually some have guns but thats a very small part, maybe 1% of the ghetto youths
so u can consider these riots as a general warning in france which can ends with something bigger
the facts are that, there is since almost 20 years a latent racism against the muslim population ).U can add to that the economic crisis which is devastating all the europe from france to germany to spain etc...due to high oil prices & high unemployment rate(almost 10% by now i believe in france),high prices for decent flats & social houses,high companies relocations rate (from france to poorest countries like eastern european countries&northern africa countries,this led people to be on strike many MANY times lately) & LAST BUT NOT LEAST>HIGH TAXES due to all kind of stuff but to simplificate france has lot of fiscal debts... so people pay lot of taxes.
U can also add to that young diplomates syndrome to simplificate: if u are black with a master degree dont even count to get a good job ,thats very true too if ure white these days.That led young diplomates to reach US countries & find a good job ,thats why u can find lot of frenchies in US :)
The highest french coporations are handled by christian&jewish people which seems to shit all over muslim people that means no arabic & black people to represent em in the medias or on a political level (well not that many)
These problems reach in a negative way all kind of people & it's expanding to the white middle class.
Actually in france the immigration rate is one the lowest of all europe since policians realised that the integration(many years ago now) wasnt successful.
Here u can see ''the behind the scenes'' of whats goin on from my town to Paris.

ps:don't believe cnn & fox <-full of bs

Question: if there is high unemployment rates in France, why do you let millions and millions of immigrants in? Doesn't that only make things worse?
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: blonde_opie on November 06, 2005, 08:44:53 AM
I've been to France once.  There was a demonstration, as they call it, by the Opera house metro station in Paris.  The firefighters went on strike, and were throwing fireballs..... literally as it happened, I was on the Metro going under the whole scene.

Crazy as fuck!

Either way, I gotta say, I read in the paper that this happened becuase some kids were running from police.

hey, if they did nothing wrong, then they had nothing to fear.

at least that's what you'd hope would go through these "youth"'s minds first! ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Fonky Fresh on November 06, 2005, 10:56:30 AM
If we had guns in France i guarantee u that would be some tragedy
Actually some have guns but thats a very small part, maybe 1% of the ghetto youths
so u can consider these riots as a general warning in france which can ends with something bigger
the facts are that, there is since almost 20 years a latent racism against the muslim population ).U can add to that the economic crisis which is devastating all the europe from france to germany to spain etc...due to high oil prices & high unemployment rate(almost 10% by now i believe in france),high prices for decent flats & social houses,high companies relocations rate (from france to poorest countries like eastern european countries&northern africa countries,this led people to be on strike many MANY times lately) & LAST BUT NOT LEAST>HIGH TAXES due to all kind of stuff but to simplificate france has lot of fiscal debts... so people pay lot of taxes.
U can also add to that young diplomates syndrome to simplificate: if u are black with a master degree dont even count to get a good job ,thats very true too if ure white these days.That led young diplomates to reach US countries & find a good job ,thats why u can find lot of frenchies in US :)
The highest french coporations are handled by christian&jewish people which seems to shit all over muslim people that means no arabic & black people to represent em in the medias or on a political level (well not that many)
These problems reach in a negative way all kind of people & it's expanding to the white middle class.
Actually in france the immigration rate is one the lowest of all europe since policians realised that the integration(many years ago now) wasnt successful.
Here u can see ''the behind the scenes'' of whats goin on from my town to Paris.

ps:don't believe cnn & fox <-full of bs
the fundemental reason for all your trouble is that the french are selfish, aragoant, rascist fucks who don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves....
i guess ure talking about ur ''internet '' experience'' >>LOL<<
if u wanna just get up ur chair a second instead of bootlegging maybe u could understand what happen in the world

i dont deny we are arrogants but from my experience english people looks hella arrogant too & i dont even talk about the us people<<u have NO fucking culture in every way u talk shit u think u the bigger n all that blabla but thats bullshit from a to z.

yall think u got the most awful ghettos in the world but go to eastern europe one day ull see what a ghetto can be.

as far as racism is concerned i think usa is in well place so i wont debate becuz the truth speak itself

& about caring about ourselves only, i find this a lil bit insulting when u are aknowledged that we have health missions since many many years in africa, europeans countries & many contries around the world
We even helped u out to eradicate sadam hussein back in 91 which ended up with nothin but lose(lol)so much death for nuthin when u think about it its just fucking crazy... but at least we tried to gather us for a good purpose.


U got to know that there is two political models which runned the whole world in the last century at least & that are fighting since 2 good centuries now:
the french one:share money with the community in a social,educational,health etc.. level
the english one:make money,become the richest u can

 & it seemed that the french conception has been the best during all these past years 'til politicians realised a good decade ago that its not that easy.(immigration pb related)

& now in two thousand five,there is real economic crisis & the first people who are touched are the minorites

...So now we got all this shit which is backfiring .
i find this good in a way becuz the minorities & even the white middle class have to wake up & fight
it's all about the richs getting richer & the poors getting poorer(the richest people here dont even pay the taxes they should have to pay its just fucking crazy pff) and that aint just in France as u can figure out

Can we afford that 10 more years again or do we have to fight against that real quick in a major way?Well im 100% down for the fight.We have to refind the real roots of the social french conception but not trough riots becuz a riot is just fucking stupid i understand why they do that its all about frustration that occured all these past years but they cant burn their neighbor's car eternally ya know.They got to organize as soon as possible & do something positive for their whole community.

aight'nuf said

ps:just keep an open mind


Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 06, 2005, 12:10:06 PM
I think that all the economic problems in Europe prove that the whole socialist experiement does not work. High taxes, high welfare benefits, tons of vacation time.....it all leads to shitty economies, high unemployment, etc

America's policies are the best, thatis why our unemployment rate of half that of Europe's. God bless the USA.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 06, 2005, 12:13:15 PM
socialism worked fine after ww2 but in the age of globalisation it cannot work, theres too much competition from india and china if france forces europe to continue down that road it will only lead to further unemployment and social unreast.look at france and germany u've got high unemployment and in britain we've got near full employment despite all the off shoring trend, which will only continue...

on racism i agree america is just as bad as france

i hate the french politicians they are all corrupt, they can;t comprimise on anything to make a better europe and just think about themselves and try and make trouble for britain at every opportunity... you got a weak governement too thats why you always got blockades and protests n shit they always bowing to the the pressure from corrupt farmers n shit. france is the only country standing in the way of these world trade talks on farming subsidies and tarriffs and at the end of the day it doesn't even benifit the citizens of europe because we pay the most for food in europe compared to the rest of the world, and third world countries just become poorer and poorer because they can't compete in the western markets when argriculture is their main way of making a living. we don't need the cap anymore, initially there was a strategic reason to make sure we could feed ourselves if we went to war but that is not an inssue anymore no one would dare fuck with nato.

and talking about caring for others the french response to the quake in asia was fucking atrocious no money no helicopters just a measly 100 tents, which is outrageous IMO
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 06, 2005, 12:16:53 PM

on racism i agree america is just as bad as france



I don't think either France or the US is racist. I don't see countries like Japan or Saudi Arabia or China taking in millions and millions of immigrants and letting them become citizens. They are the true racists. France, the US, and all other western countries are the most open and tolerant in the world.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 06, 2005, 12:19:42 PM
yea but to be honest are there really millions of people wanting to move to china and saudi arabia??
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 06, 2005, 12:32:10 PM
Talking about US and European racism, or lack there of. In America (and I'm sure Europe) there are several voices always badmouthing what a corrupt racist system there is not leaving any opportunity for advancement of minorities, when like C Walker said, most countries ain't even letting others in! In the Middle East and Africa and other parts of thwe world racism means people getting killed out of resentment for them being on someone elses soil. In America, people boo hoo if someoene tells a mexican to go back home, or makes a joke about a middle eastern being a terrorist, WTF!  Let's face it, white nations are always the most powerful, and the international community is always welcome to live and do business in them, but when colored people decline as a community in those white nations, they are so quick to blame the white people in power. it's childish. now the blacks in the US are a different story, because whites actually did keep them down for hundreds of years, but for the most part, the whites get a terrbile rep. Whatever tho, when you're on top, there's envy.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: 7even on November 06, 2005, 12:36:16 PM
I can't believe french police isnt capable of shuttin them damage causers down. If something like this happened in my city I know for a fact them rioters would know better after the first couple hours already.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: I TO DA GEEZY on November 06, 2005, 01:19:25 PM
It's TOO BAD the French people had to 'taste'  their government's own foreign policy 'medicine'.
If my statement sounds farfetched don't bother responding. :)
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Fonky Fresh on November 06, 2005, 01:21:30 PM
and talking about caring for others the french response was fucking atrocious no money no helicopters just a measly 100 tents, which is outrageous IMO
im not sure of what u are refering to.
1st gulf war ?
tents only?
c'mon can we talk seriously
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 06, 2005, 03:00:53 PM
and talking about caring for others the french response was fucking atrocious no money no helicopters just a measly 100 tents, which is outrageous IMO
im not sure of what u are refering to.
1st gulf war ?
tents only?
c'mon can we talk seriously
and talking about caring for others the french response to the quake in asia was fucking atrocious no money no helicopters just a measly 100 tents, which is outrageous IMO
 
 
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i saw that and edited it like half an hour before your reply whats ur point??
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Jome on November 06, 2005, 05:37:09 PM
I think that all the economic problems in Europe prove that the whole socialist experiement does not work. High taxes, high welfare benefits, tons of vacation time.....it all leads to shitty economies, high unemployment, etc

America's policies are the best, thatis why our unemployment rate of half that of Europe's. God bless the USA.

LMAO, comedy.  :loco: ;D
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 06, 2005, 07:33:52 PM
^^^
yeah funny that Europe still spites us like we're the retarded ones. back to counting my money
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Jome on November 06, 2005, 07:41:46 PM
^^^
yeah funny that Europe still spites us like we're the retarded ones. back to counting my money

What you and Cwalker doesn't seem to comprehend, is that Europe is 45 different countries, all with dozens of different languages, different economies, different laws, cultures, religions, social systems, etc. There's no United States of Europe, it's 700 million people divided on 45 totally different countries.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: J Bananas on November 06, 2005, 07:43:21 PM
no way.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Real American on November 06, 2005, 07:50:04 PM

What you and Cwalker doesn't seem to comprehend, is that Europe is 45 different countries, all with dozens of different languages, different economies, different laws, cultures, religions, social systems, etc. There's no United States of Europe, it's 700 million people divided on 45 totally different countries.


No way, are you serious? And all this time I thought Europe was just one giant country. Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Jome on November 06, 2005, 08:11:29 PM
No problem.

I think that all the economic problems in Europe

So I hope we don't see more of these again, LOL @ economic problems in Europe.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Noname on November 07, 2005, 05:48:11 AM
^^^
yeah funny that Europe still spites us like we're the retarded ones. back to counting my money

LOL, props to you for making me laugh. I hope you were being sarcastic, because it would be really sad if your serious.
Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Don Rizzle on November 07, 2005, 08:58:20 AM
heres quite a good article on the whole situation

Violence exposes France's weaknesses
By John Simpson
BBC World Affairs Editor 

Last spring, over dinner in Paris, a close friend of mine who runs one of the biggest opera houses outside the French capital told me: "I've got this persistent feeling that 1968 is just about to happen all over again."
He had no idea that the violence would erupt in the dreary, featureless suburbs.

He thought it was because the French political system had run out of ideas and credibility, and he knew the French.

These moments of weakness are the times when trouble always seems to break out.

Moment of weakness?

If President Jacques Chirac and the centre-right government which supports him had been in full control of France's political life, it is hard to think these long days and nights of continuous rioting would have taken place.

The feelings of resentment and simmering anger in the suburbs would have been just as strong, but the crowds would mostly have held back.


Years of reporting on riots and revolutions have shown me that crowds display a mysterious collective sense which somehow overrides the perceptions and fears of the individuals who make up the mass. And crowds have a remarkable feeling for the weakness of government.

There is of course a huge well of fury and resentment among the children of North African and African immigrants in the suburbs of French cities. The suburbs have been woefully ignored for 30 years.

Violence there is regular and unexceptionable. Even on a normal weekend, between 20 and 30 vehicles are regularly attacked and burned by rioters.

Power decline

This time the riots are joined up, pre-planned, co-ordinated. At some level of consciousness, the demonstrators know that the governmental system they are facing is deeply, perhaps incurably, sclerotic.

Mr Chirac, standing back until his ministers showed their inability to agree a clear line on the rioting, seems not to have the answers when he speaks now. His presidency is overshadowed by an inescapable sense of past corruption and weakness, and he has governed France at a time when its economy and its position in the world have both declined sharply and markedly.


No matter that events have thoroughly borne out his criticisms of the US and British invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Muslim teenagers who briefly applauded him then have long since forgotten all that - though of course if he had supported President George W Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair then, he would be in even greater trouble now.

In 1968, too, President Charles de Gaulle and his ministers spoke sternly of the need for order to be restored immediately, and yet they did nothing.

If the riot police could have restored order they would have done so, but they were overstretched and outwitted, and their only response was more of the kind of violence which made the crowds even more ferocious in their turn.

Anti-French tone

I remember the 1968 riots very well. But of course the differences between then and now were as great as the similarities. For a start, the riots of 2005 are still all about the bitter and genuine grievances of the Muslim and African communities, ignored and demeaned and kept in poverty by a system which cares very little about them.


Only if a much wider swathe of French society gets involved on their side will the situation become truly pre-revolutionary, in the way that the crowds of 1968 were.

And since the riots have taken on a fiercely anti-French tone, and the violence and destruction have sickened so many people in the suburbs themselves, that seems unlikely at present.

France, though, tends to move forward in fits and starts, rather than organically, and these fits and starts are often associated with violence.

Spirit of revolution

Thanks to the Revolution, violence even has a kind of virtue which it simply does not possess in a country like Britain. When government becomes incapable of change, the crowds in the streets have to do the changing for themselves.

There is a great deal that has to be changed. I have seen many times for myself how the CRS, the deeply aggressive and ferocious force of riot police, have attacked Muslims and Africans in the streets in times of trouble.


Last April, Amnesty International singled out the violence and racism of the French police towards the non-white people of the suburbs for particular criticism.

Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister, now seems to be playing politics with the situation by appealing to the most basic and resentful attitudes of conservative France.

Much of the violence on the streets of France's cities is mindless; some of it is malign. But simply stamping it down will not work - and anyway the CRS and the civil police have tried that, and their toughness has only made things worse.

France is going to have to change towards its unwilling, often unwelcome young second-generation population, and accommodate them better.

It is not enough to demand that these people drop their sense of themselves and fit in with the way France has traditionally ordered its affairs.

But most of all there has to be change in attitudes at the top. And if Mr Chirac cannot do it, he will be fatally damaged as president.

Title: Re: The Muslims in France have been rioting for 6 days straight....
Post by: Fonky Fresh on November 07, 2005, 09:34:29 AM
yeah that resume well the situation.We are near a new 'may 1968''
thing have to change in the highest political spheres & corporations policies have to change too real quick
Chirac is a well known bandit thats not new he even should  face a trial once he'll be out of the presidential throne for some obscur case that happened 10 years ago... if there is a justice of course.

those fucking politicians i hate em from the 1st to the last u waitng a YES answer & he answer with a ''maybe'' they vote for unapplicables laws n stuff like that while the whole country is falling.
all they do is ruining this country we need a legitimate president asap with a real goverment
and the interior minister aka sarkozy can burn in hell the more he'll preach violence as a solution against the Bg's&Og's from the suburbs the more hell get azz burnt.

but u know i tell it loud&clear coktails molotov are the beggining but there  is a ton of AK47 which are on standby,no joke.
he can call army we will laugh soon