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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: J Bananas on November 22, 2005, 10:08:46 PM
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DJ Quik is the real King of the West.
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didn't he just call himself the prince recently? it was either on his mixtape or trauma.
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hmmm.....yeah i remember that. thats a proper title....
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DJ Quik is the real King of the West.
everyone also knows your a cum guzzling pudsickle
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Dr. Dre = king of the West. DJ Quik isnt even a factor
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DJ Quik is the real King of the West.
everyone also knows your a cum guzzling pudsickle
WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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u mad???
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Dr. Dre = king of the West. DJ Quik isnt even a factor
he isn't a factor cuz the majority of people in the world don't know good shit when they hear it
he SHOULD be up there with Dre recognition-wise
we all know them 2 are the Kings of makin the best West Coast music though 8)
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he doesnt get recognition cuz he didnt get a white guy to resurrect him from oblivion like dre did. if it werent for em, dre would have been stuck at the the aftermath mixtape......dre is one of my favorites dont get me wrong but his career aint shit compared to quiks catalogue
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naw ...dre's the king of the west .
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dre is one of my favorites dont get me wrong but his career aint shit compared to quiks catalogue
yeah I feel the exact same way, but people who love Dre will never accept it nor admit it
I can't understand how some can't see Quik is better musically though, they say his shit is boring, etc. :eh:
there is some Dre shit I don't like and when I try to think real hard I can't even come up with a Quik track that sucked nor I didn't like
obviously people say Dre makes some others better working with them... but look at all Quik's friends, 2nd II None, AMG, etc... he makes them so tight on his beats and they're straight average rappers
and Suga Free is dope as fuck, but think of how he's 100x better on a crazy Quik beat
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i think musical people (just people that appreciate quality music more, not necessarily musicians) like quiks music more... because you need to listen to the music... dre's beats are so simple you just let em bang... quiks shit you actually have to listen to all the different sounds and layers he uses to really appreciate it...
i guess quik fans are just smarter ;D
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Dr. Dre = king of the West. DJ Quik isnt even a factor
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he doesnt get recognition cuz he didnt get a white guy to resurrect him from oblivion like dre did. if it werent for em, dre would have been stuck at the the aftermath mixtape......dre is one of my favorites dont get me wrong but his career aint shit compared to quiks catalogue
LMFAO you gotta be fucking kidding me...The Chronic>>>>anything Quik ever did
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Dr. Dre = king of the West.
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he doesnt get recognition cuz he didnt get a white guy to resurrect him from oblivion like dre did. if it werent for em, dre would have been stuck at the the aftermath mixtape......dre is one of my favorites dont get me wrong but his career aint shit compared to quiks catalogue
Chronic and 2001 :eh:
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well dre got chronic/chronic 2001 and thats it. i dont like his production nowadays.
i always liked quiks stuff from the beginnin + he produced some dope ass cds
like 2nd ii nones, mausbergs, suga frees...im not dickridin quik its just i like his style
more than dres. dre is commercial, quik isnt and thats the way i like it. i mean i would
love to see quik on mtv again and shit. but what im tryin to say is i cant stand mainstream
hip hop and thats what dres doin. i respect him alot but i just dont like his stuff anymore
than quiks. he def deserves more attention ^^
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niggaz 4 life had some classic production on it...100miles nice production.......out of comp.had classic production.......chronic of course........2001 ....mechele 1st....doc.......eazy...snoops shit........hell, even befor you turn out the lights was bumping......jj fad......(we all in the same game was produced by dre)....so with out em,dre would have made it out good in the end........but quick is a beast to.I like both.but quicks shit has been killing dres music for about 3yrs.now.
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anybody remember No One Can Do It Better with the D.O.C.? That was as much Dre's brainchild as it was Doc's, how can you hate on that?
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damn...it is starting to look like a dre vs. quik thread. Is it impossible to love both of them at the same time? Dre and Quik are two of fav. producers ever and I believe they are the two greatest producers in hiphop EVER. Anyone who says either doesn't have shit on the other one does not know what the fuck they are talking about.
Like 'west coast' if you cant see that quik is more musically advanced than dre despite taste, than u need to grab a box of q-tips right now. At the same time u cant and I repeat CAN'T talk shit about dre production work.
Eazy Duz It, No One Can Do It Better, Straight Outta Compton, Niggaz4Life, Chronic, Doggystyle, Chronic 2001, etc. Enuff said.
As for quik he hasn't produced as many classic albums as dre, but his solo classics I believe can most definitely hang with dre's solo classics.
Chronic/2001 vs. Safe and Sound/Rhythmalism
^^^you have to be insane to say either of those duo's production outshines the other completely, but it all comes down to taste in the end.
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these need to stop happenin..........dre v quik, it gets nowhere
and btw there is no king or prince of the west, theres only a queen...................game :D
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damn...it is starting to look like a dre vs. quik thread.
Yep, once again...
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Quik ain't shit
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Like 'west coast' if you cant see that quik is more musically advanced than dre despite taste, than u need to grab a box of q-tips right now. At the same time u cant and I repeat CAN'T talk shit about dre production work.
his solo classics I believe can most definitely hang with dre's solo classics.
Chronic/2001 vs. Safe and Sound/Rhythmalism/Balance & Options
^^^you have to be insane to say either of those duo's production outshines the other completely, but it all comes down to taste in the end.
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The way I see it Dre has 2 albums.....Classics but look how long it
took him & how someone was always there 2 help him
Chronic - Daz,Warren G
2001 - Mel Man
now - Scott Storch
Quik has done more records & imo on jus music Rhythmalism can hold it's own wit both Dre's albums
but in the end they both make dope music but I like Quik More
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My god, not another Quik vs Dre thread... :P
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I totally didnt mean for it to come to this... :grumpy:
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^^^ preach! agreed to the fullest, you put it perfect
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No he isn't.
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Dr. Dre and DJ Quik will prolly outlast you
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My god, not another Quik vs Dre thread... :P
i didnt mean to turn it into one, just when i hear king of the west - the name dr. dre comes to mind
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Dre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiCk
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stop making beef u fuckin bitch, jus cuz u hate urself doesent mean u gotta start shit with everyone by making a dumb comment, it was supposed to be an appreciation thread.
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stop making beef u fuckin bitch, jus cuz u hate urself doesent mean u gotta start shit with everyone by making a dumb comment, it was supposed to be an appreciation thread.
U MADD???
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^^^
U MAD???
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stop making beef u fuckin bitch, jus cuz u hate urself doesent mean u gotta start shit with everyone by making a dumb comment, it was supposed to be an appreciation thread.
U MADD???
^^^
U MAD???
yep, Mr. Crip's mad
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Quik is the most consistent in 05. Dre is far from consistent. There ends the Quik vs. Dre shit.
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stop making beef u fuckin bitch, jus cuz u hate urself doesent mean u gotta start shit with everyone by making a dumb comment, it was supposed to be an appreciation thread.
U MADD???
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U MAD???
yep, Mr. Crip's mad
That hoe type is always mad homie,dont trip.
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now dont get me wrong, i love chronic and chronic 2001 but comon how can someone be a king who releases 2 solo albums (not counting the aftermath compilation) in like 10 years? and they are not even solo albums, he has to feature hella guests cause u know he cant hold it down on his own, not to mention almost every song on chronic 1 is a damn sample with drums and a few other things added shit..
i think dj quik is more skilled musically and a better rapper, but i dont know if you can call either of them kings (if dj quik was more well known he would be a king)
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Dr. Dre = king of the West. DJ Quik isnt even a factor
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Quik is the most consistent in 05. Dre is far from consistent. There ends the Quik vs. Dre shit.
he has to feature hella guests cause u know he cant hold it down on his own
i think dj quik is more skilled musically and a better rapper
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Not even talking about Dre... Quik is a really nice producer, probably the smoothest on the west. Yet I don't know why he's got a rapping career, because I feel like other rappers would have made better songs out of his beats. It's a shame. I usually find Quik's albums pretty average up to nice, but never anything special; because of the vocals. A goddamn waste.
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Not even talking about Dre... Quik is a really nice producer, probably the smoothest on the west. Yet I don't know why he's got a rapping career, because I feel like other rappers would have made better songs out of his beats. It's a shame. I usually find Quik's albums pretty average up to nice, but never anything special; because of the vocals. A goddamn waste.
Thats some bullshit right their homie....
Quik is one of the most clever rappers out and "Dollaz + Sense" proved that. He's also very entertaing with his stories and he can be fun to listen to. Sure he isnt a your common 'lyristist' with heavy vocabulary, word play, punchlines and shit, but he can have some very unique rthymes and and flows in alot of his songs...when you say that, it seems like you havent listend to all his albums and songs and you just downgrade him as a rapper cuz his producing skills overshadow them...
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Not even talking about Dre... Quik is a really nice producer, probably the smoothest on the west. Yet I don't know why he's got a rapping career, because I feel like other rappers would have made better songs out of his beats. It's a shame. I usually find Quik's albums pretty average up to nice, but never anything special; because of the vocals. A goddamn waste.
Thats some bullshit right their homie....
Quik is one of the most clever rappers out and "Dollaz + Sense" proved that. He's also very entertaing with his stories and he can be fun to listen to. Sure he isnt a your common 'lyristist' with heavy vocabulary, word play, punchlines and shit, but he can have some very unique rthymes and and flows in alot of his songs...when you say that, it seems like you havent listend to all his albums and songs and you just downgrade him as a rapper cuz his producing skills overshadow them...
Don't pay attention to him, this is the same person that said Quik will never make a better album than Get Rich or Die Trying
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when dj can come back from that wack ass poor excuse for an album "trama" and put out a classic like balance and options maybe he would be the king of the west, lmao nah he wont
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maybe he should get some help from green city, lmao
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lol i was waiting for one of ya'll predictable cats to say that
buster
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no u wasnt, u were waitin for the wings to heat up in the microwave
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na i was eatin turkey
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Not even talking about Dre... Quik is a really nice producer, probably the smoothest on the west. Yet I don't know why he's got a rapping career, because I feel like other rappers would have made better songs out of his beats. It's a shame. I usually find Quik's albums pretty average up to nice, but never anything special; because of the vocals. A goddamn waste.
Thats some bullshit right their homie....
Quik is one of the most clever rappers out and "Dollaz + Sense" proved that. He's also very entertaing with his stories and he can be fun to listen to. Sure he isnt a your common 'lyristist' with heavy vocabulary, word play, punchlines and shit, but he can have some very unique rthymes and and flows in alot of his songs...when you say that, it seems like you havent listend to all his albums and songs and you just downgrade him as a rapper cuz his producing skills overshadow them...
Don't pay attention to him, this is the same person that said Quik will never make a better album than Get Rich or Die Trying
lol man I was just about 2 post that & you beat me 2 it :D
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Not even talking about Dre... Quik is a really nice producer, probably the smoothest on the west. Yet I don't know why he's got a rapping career, because I feel like other rappers would have made better songs out of his beats. It's a shame. I usually find Quik's albums pretty average up to nice, but never anything special; because of the vocals. A goddamn waste.
Thats some bullshit right their homie....
Quik is one of the most clever rappers out and "Dollaz + Sense" proved that. He's also very entertaing with his stories and he can be fun to listen to. Sure he isnt a your common 'lyristist' with heavy vocabulary, word play, punchlines and shit, but he can have some very unique rthymes and and flows in alot of his songs...when you say that, it seems like you havent listend to all his albums and songs and you just downgrade him as a rapper cuz his producing skills overshadow them...
Don't pay attention to him, this is the same person that said Quik will never make a better album than Get Rich or Die Trying
lol man I was just about 2 post that & you beat me 2 it :D
Great Minds think alike ;)
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Not even talking about Dre... Quik is a really nice producer, probably the smoothest on the west. Yet I don't know why he's got a rapping career, because I feel like other rappers would have made better songs out of his beats. It's a shame. I usually find Quik's albums pretty average up to nice, but never anything special; because of the vocals. A goddamn waste.
Thats some bullshit right their homie....
Quik is one of the most clever rappers out and "Dollaz + Sense" proved that. He's also very entertaing with his stories and he can be fun to listen to. Sure he isnt a your common 'lyristist' with heavy vocabulary, word play, punchlines and shit, but he can have some very unique rthymes and and flows in alot of his songs...when you say that, it seems like you havent listend to all his albums and songs and you just downgrade him as a rapper cuz his producing skills overshadow them...
Don't pay attention to him, this is the same person that said Quik will never make a better album than Get Rich or Die Trying
lol man I was just about 2 post that & you beat me 2 it :D
Great Minds think alike ;)
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ya don't worry, any post from that fruitcake Elevz has been bullshit anyways
that fucker doesn't know shit, he's such a faggot
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I'ma just put in the ultimate word
DJ Quik absolutely fuckin pisses on Dre, no doubt, he takes a leak on Dre's catalogue, don't argue! ;D
put aside that impact bullshit, we all know that commerical crowds don't know a damn thing about music
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LOL @ all the hate I'm getting for having an opinion of my own. Great minds think alike? Maybe it's more accurate to say simple minds just jump the bandwagon?
I guess you can say I'm not really a westcoast music fan - I don't automatically assume anything with a westcoast sound and some rapping, is decent, or classic. The west has done some amazing stuff over the past, and that I love the coast for, but when you look at the facts, the east is running miles up front. That's where they're still making good music.
I got nothing but love for the west - as soon as they start putting out decent music I'll be the first to support them. It's just, to me, good rap music is more about lyrics than anything else. The west just isn't doing it for me right now. And hey, I wasn't saying Quik is a bad rapper. Only saying he's average and his beats would have sounded better with other rappers on them. So what's all the hating for? I'll admit, I haven't heard all of his albums, think I need to check out 1 more, and they were all "aiight" to me. Just nothing special, and none of them I would rate remotely close to classic status. Maybe it's because Quik is too smooth for my liking.
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And hey, I wasn't saying Quik is a bad rapper. Only saying he's average and his beats would have sounded better with other rappers on them. So what's all the hating for? I'll admit, I haven't heard all of his albums, think I need to check out 1 more, and they were all "aiight" to me. Just nothing special, and none of them I would rate remotely close to classic status. Maybe it's because Quik is too smooth for my liking.
What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
Rythm-al-ism is the most advanced album made musicly, how can you call that album 'alright'?
And your right, I think DJ Quik is to smooth and advanced for your liking...
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quik is a cole nigga with them beats
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And hey, I wasn't saying Quik is a bad rapper. Only saying he's average and his beats would have sounded better with other rappers on them. So what's all the hating for? I'll admit, I haven't heard all of his albums, think I need to check out 1 more, and they were all "aiight" to me. Just nothing special, and none of them I would rate remotely close to classic status. Maybe it's because Quik is too smooth for my liking.
What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
Rythm-al-ism is the most advanced album made musicly, how can you call that album 'alright'?
And your right, I think DJ Quik is to smooth and advanced for your liking...
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^yea...also that bullshit about quik being an average rapper is not true. Today he is lyrically ten times better than 50 cent. As a rapper I would take quik over all of those east and south commercial artists. That would include gunot, d-block, dipshit, crunk rappers, etc.
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What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
Rythm-al-ism is the most advanced album made musicly, how can you call that album 'alright'?
And your right, I think DJ Quik is to smooth and advanced for your liking...
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^yea...also that bullshit about quik being an average rapper is not true. Today he is lyrically ten times better than 50 cent. As a rapper I would take quik over all of those east and south commercial artists. That would include gunot, d-block, dipshit, crunk rappers, etc.
Oh yeah, compare them to 50 Cent to show how great they really are... LOL
Do you really think Quik can keep up with today's heavyweight rappers in the rap game? Give me a break.
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^Well you think quik has never made an album as good as Get Rich Or Die Trying. Also you did say you feel good rap music should be mostly about lyrics. :D 8) ;D
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give it up Elevz, everybody sees by your comments that you don't know shit, fuck it if it's your opinion or not, you just prove yourself over and over to be an idiot
that bullshit about quik being an average rapper is not true. Today he is lyrically ten times better than 50 cent. As a rapper I would take quik over all of those east and south commercial artists.
yeah there's no way he's an average rapper, he's got clever rhymes and even when I try to find a fault he never comes with one
his lyrics always flow real smooth and he never gets lazy or half-assed and breaks the rhythm
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^Exactly. As a lyricist he wont be confused with rakim, but he is most certainely not average. If you think his flow, delivery, and lyrics are average, it must have been a while since you clean your ears. You have to be on crack to think quik has never put an album as good as Get Rich Or Die Trying both musically and lyrically. I have alot more respect for quik as an mc than most in the game today.
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As a lyricist he wont be confused with rakim, but he is most certainely not average. If you think his flow, delivery, and lyrics are average, it must have been a while since you clean your ears. You have to be on crack to think quik has never put an album as good as Get Rich Or Die Trying both musically and lyrically. I have alot more respect for quik as an mc than most in the game today.
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As a lyricist he wont be confused with rakim, but he is most certainely not average. If you think his flow, delivery, and lyrics are average, it must have been a while since you clean your ears. You have to be on crack to think quik has never put an album as good as Get Rich Or Die Trying both musically and lyrically. I have alot more respect for quik as an mc than most in the game today.
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I guess you can say I'm not really a westcoast music fan - I don't automatically assume anything with a westcoast sound and some rapping, is decent, or classic. The west has done some amazing stuff over the past, and that I love the coast for, but when you look at the facts, the east is running miles up front. That's where they're still making good music.
yeah, shit they have stole from us! Im cool wit a few of dem cats, but they been stealin and biting for years, and if u cant see that, i dont know what to tell you.
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i think everyone here should listen to trauma again... album is fire...
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when dj can come back from that wack ass poor excuse for an album "trama" and put out a classic like balance and options maybe he would be the king of the west, lmao nah he wont
wtf are u, trauma was better than balance and options imo, takin nothin away from both albums, both classics, oh and its trauma not trama ::)
As a lyricist he wont be confused with rakim, but he is most certainely not average. If you think his flow, delivery, and lyrics are average, it must have been a while since you clean your ears. You have to be on crack to think quik has never put an album as good as Get Rich Or Die Trying both musically and lyrically. I have alot more respect for quik as an mc than most in the game today.
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What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
Quik made alot of albums which is cool but he's by far not the only one who can sound good over his self produced shit, Dre and RZA come to mind as 2 famous examples. Of course I know Dre ain't been writin his shit since he went solo but he proved he can on niggaz4life.
Quik deserves respect but don't exaggerate as far as emceeing goes, he's not a great rapper and not on Styles' level (cause someone said he better than d block ect.).
yall should chill though, it's not an obvious thing, both Quik and Dre are great so no need to take it to heart when somebody disagrees with you. You not making yourself look too mature saying shit like "shit's too advanced for you". It's called taste. Why do yall prefer Hiphop when other kinds of music are on a whole different level musically ? I guess it's too advanced ? why do some off yall listen to quik all the time but not gza ? are his lyrics too advanced for your 'simple minds' ?
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Quik deserves respect but don't exaggerate as far as emceeing goes, he's not a great rapper and not on Styles' level (cause someone said he better than d block ect.).
yall should chill though, it's not an obvious thing, both Quik and Dre are great so no need to take it to heart when somebody disagrees with you. You not making yourself look too mature saying shit like "shit's too advanced for you". It's called taste. Why do yall prefer Hiphop when other kinds of music are on a whole different level musically ? I guess it's too advanced ? why do some off yall listen to quik all the time but not gza ? are his lyrics too advanced for your 'simple minds' ?
That's what I'm talking about.
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What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
yall should chill though, it's not an obvious thing, both Quik and Dre are great so no need to take it to heart when somebody disagrees with you. You not making yourself look too mature saying shit like "shit's too advanced for you". It's called taste. Why do yall prefer Hiphop when other kinds of music are on a whole different level musically ? I guess it's too advanced ? why do some off yall listen to quik all the time but not gza ? are his lyrics too advanced for your 'simple minds' ?
GZA is my 3rd favorite eastcoast rapper after Nas and Ghostface...I have all his albums and I am a huge Wu fan, and I relize that he is one of the best rappers ever and he would kill Quik by rapping only...I own around 35 WU related albums so dont tell me that I just listen to Quik and not others ...
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dont tell me that I just listen to Quik and not others ...
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What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
Quik made alot of albums which is cool but he's by far not the only one who can sound good over his self produced shit, Dre and RZA come to mind as 2 famous examples. Of course I know Dre ain't been writin his shit since he went solo but he proved he can on niggaz4life.
Quik deserves respect but don't exaggerate as far as emceeing goes, he's not a great rapper and not on Styles' level (cause someone said he better than d block ect.).
yall should chill though, it's not an obvious thing, both Quik and Dre are great so no need to take it to heart when somebody disagrees with you. You not making yourself look too mature saying shit like "shit's too advanced for you". It's called taste. Why do yall prefer Hiphop when other kinds of music are on a whole different level musically ? I guess it's too advanced ? why do some off yall listen to quik all the time but not gza ? are his lyrics too advanced for your 'simple minds' ?
I never exxagerated quik as far as emceeing goes. I said he wont be mistaken for rakim, but at the same time he is not an average rapper. So as far as you assuming I dont to listen gza because I like albums musically advanced doesnt make sense, why not do both which is what I do. Also why cant hiphop musically speaking be on the same level as other genres? Second of all, while it is true everyone has their own taste I came at Elevz because he said his albums were at most average while quik could never put out an album as good as 'Get Rich Or Die Trying'. I thought that was very funny and contradictory because my point was quik's album are musically and lyrically better than 'Get Rich Or Die Trying'. I believe this is fact and it cant be disputed despite tastes.
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What makes Quik such a great rapper/artist is because he is the only one that can produce his own shit and rythm, and sound good over it, and make 7 albums of his own like that. Who in Hip-Hop is capable of that?
Quik made alot of albums which is cool but he's by far not the only one who can sound good over his self produced shit, Dre and RZA come to mind as 2 famous examples. Of course I know Dre ain't been writin his shit since he went solo but he proved he can on niggaz4life.
Quik deserves respect but don't exaggerate as far as emceeing goes, he's not a great rapper and not on Styles' level (cause someone said he better than d block ect.).
yall should chill though, it's not an obvious thing, both Quik and Dre are great so no need to take it to heart when somebody disagrees with you. You not making yourself look too mature saying shit like "shit's too advanced for you". It's called taste. Why do yall prefer Hiphop when other kinds of music are on a whole different level musically ? I guess it's too advanced ? why do some off yall listen to quik all the time but not gza ? are his lyrics too advanced for your 'simple minds' ?
I never exxagerated quik as far as emceeing goes. I said he wont be mistaken for rakim, but at the same time he is not an average rapper. So as far as you assuming I dont to listen gza because I like albums musically advanced doesnt make sense, why not do both which is what I do. Also why cant hiphop musically speaking be on the same level as other genres? Second of all, while it is true everyone has their own taste I came at Elevz because he said his albums were at most average while quik could never put out an album as good as 'Get Rich Or Die Trying'. I thought that was very funny and contradictory because my point was quik's album are musically and lyrically better than 'Get Rich Or Die Trying'. I believe this is fact and it cant be disputed despite tastes.
You didn't get the point, I never said you don't listen to gza or that you only listen to quik. The point I was tryna make is that there're always lyricists you don't listen to as much as you listen to others even though others are better, and it doesn't make any sense to blame it on somebody's 'level of musical / poetical understanding' by saying the lyrics (or beats) are too advanced for him. GZA was just an example, which is why I said some of you. To make the example fit you better I might as well have said why don't you listen to rakim or krs all the time, they better than ghost or why do you like ghost more than gza even though gza's lyrics are on a higher level.. nobody's taste resembles the exact list of top musicians by neutral judgement.
only the first 2 sentences refered to your post specifically, the rest adressed the people in this thread in general, and it was said at least once that dude yall disagree with doesn't like quik cause it's too advanced, so that's what I was refering to. It was also said that quik is a better rapper than all 'commercial' east coast artists including d-block ect which is what I refered to when I said 'don't exaggerate'.
as for hiphop, while it's by far my favorite genre it doesn't take a specialist to see that there are genres of music that offer way more musical talent, considering compositions n shit you won't find in hiphop which uses alot of loops ect. There might be hiphopers who have the talent but hiphop production don't show it as much as some genres, classical music probably being ahead of all others.