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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: DJDIRTY on December 10, 2005, 06:20:46 PM
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Goldies raps were okey back in 2002 but his last 2 underground albums were str8 poor.
He retired?
Theres no chance he will release a solo album and it do well
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Don't know about Goldie but I think your opinion about Tray Dee is bullshit.
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cmon whats he ever done solo ::)
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Goldie is wac and always been,But u got tray d fucked up,Tray d got spit,He spit harder then kurupt,TRay d one of the best rappers from the west,He is considered a straight lyricist,
'The best rapper is crooked i,But tray D is up under him,TRay d is harder then rass kass,kurupt and alot of other mcs that or rated 2 b some of the top lyricist from the west,Tray d nevr disapointed me with his flows
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If tray d put out a solo his solo album would b harder then the eastsiderz albums,The only reason i brought the eastsiderz album was because of tray D,I skippedthrough goldie wac ass verses,But tray d is a beast,If he drop an solo it would b a straight classic
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tray dee is tight yeh, his death row days were his best by far, gang related was his prime and he was sick
but hes never done any thing solo and he never will cause hes not marketable
goldie loc is just rubbish
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Tray Dee is a beast--Eastsidaz had some hits
(http://tinypic.com/hx3hjc.jpg)
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Yeah, I liked Tray Deee as well, and it's too bad he got himself into some shit and won't be outta prison till he's 50. Goldie Loc was alright in comparison, but Snoop and Tray were the only reason I listened to Eastsidaz albums.
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Ya'll trippin, Goldie spit some hard shit, he really stepped his game up on the second album too, i agree on the first one tray deee careed it but on the second one goldie came hard and on the 3rd one that never got released goldie was soundin good aswell.
i agree the underground albums he put out weren't all that but i think he still has a real good album in him if he gets the right situation..
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^ Yall are trippin. Goldie loc and tray dee spit better on snoop on alot of eastsiders stuff. They got heat, and like most groups, they sound the best when their together.
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goldie has produced some good beats for the eastsidaz too! dont forget that!
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"Give it To Em Dogg" was such a smooth track!
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goldie is dope and improving and i feel like on locd out he stepped his lyricals up but the beats were kinda wack
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"Give it To Em Dogg" was such a smooth track!
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The only Goldie Loc song I like is Bizness Neva Personal. Everything else sucks.
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Tray Deee is one of the dopest rappers in the game 2day, never liked that much of Goldie though...
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tray dee is tight yeh, his death row days were his best by far, gang related was his prime and he was sick
but hes never done any thing solo and he never will cause hes not marketable
goldie loc is just rubbish
thats where ur fuckin wrong , tray deee released an excellent solo album the generals list , so your wrong check it out, and goldie is not rubbish , his work on the 2 eastsidaz albums were tite, and hes not a bad producer either
"Give it To Em Dogg" was such a smooth track!
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tray dee is tight yeh, his death row days were his best by far, gang related was his prime and he was sick
but hes never done any thing solo and he never will cause hes not marketable
goldie loc is just rubbish
WTF goldie Loc is straight fire..
And don't forget the track ''Dogghouse'' on the first Eastsidaz album.. He produced that smooth track
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Yeah, I liked Tray Deee as well, and it's too bad he got himself into some shit and won't be outta prison till he's 50.
is that all??? tray deee is old as fuck. he's like 49 right now. tray deee will be 50 in march. he could have the album out by summer...
lol
you guys have been on point in this thread. goldie was always the weakest link in the group, and a tray deee solo album would be hot. i'm curious what tray would rhyme about for a full album. 16 tracks about groupies and og shit, or would he expand his subject matter? i'd like to see a tray deee solo album.
tray deee isn't better than ras kass though. whoever said that needs to hook me up with a hit off whatever they're smoking. that must be some bomb shit.
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What yall be smokeing on myane.Goldie loc spits fire.he not wack at all.what eastsidaz yall be listen to....think for your self people...loc,and "D"is like daz,and kurupt.they need each other.....but yeah "D"s solo would be classic.
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Yeah, I liked Tray Deee as well, and it's too bad he got himself into some shit and won't be outta prison till he's 50.
is that all??? tray deee is old as fuck. he's like 49 right now. tray deee will be 50 in march. he could have the album out by summer...
lol
you guys have been on point in this thread. goldie was always the weakest link in the group, and a tray deee solo album would be hot. i'm curious what tray would rhyme about for a full album. 16 tracks about groupies and og shit, or would he expand his subject matter? i'd like to see a tray deee solo album.
tray deee isn't better than ras kass though. whoever said that needs to hook me up with a hit off whatever they're smoking. that must be some bomb shit.
tray dee is tight yeh, his death row days were his best by far, gang related was his prime and he was sick
but hes never done any thing solo and he never will cause hes not marketable
goldie loc is just rubbish
thats where ur fuckin wrong , tray deee released an excellent solo album the generals list , so your wrong check it out, and goldie is not rubbish , his work on the 2 eastsidaz albums were tite, and hes not a bad producer either
"Give it To Em Dogg" was such a smooth track!
do none of yous read anything or know anything ::)
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tray deee isn't better than ras kass though
Tray Deee > Ras Kass, Crooked I & Sly Boogy
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tray deee isn't better than ras kass though
Tray Deee > Ras Kass, Crooked I & Sly Boogy
no doubt
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tray deee isn't better than ras kass though
Tray Deee > Ras Kass, Crooked I & Sly Boogy
no doubt
Yep, Tray Deee is a fuckin beast on the mic
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tray deee isn't better than ras kass though
Tray Deee > Ras Kass, Crooked I & Sly Boogy
no doubt
Yep, Tray Deee is a fuckin beast on the mic
its his voice, wen u hear it u know thats og tray deee 8)
great flow
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do none of yous read anything or know anything ::)
i have the general's list. it was more of a compilation than a solo album. "clap ya hands" was the shit, but it had too many cameos. i look at it as a compilation. if the guy is only spitting one verse per song that's not a solo album
ras kass has way more topics, more styles, more flows than tray deee. tray deee isn't fucking with ras kass. i wish tray deee had kicked a verse on kick roccs so everyone could see ras outshing him.
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do none of yous read anything or know anything ::)
i have the general's list. it was more of a compilation than a solo album. "clap ya hands" was the shit, but it had too many cameos. i look at it as a compilation.
orite sorry man, but how u think its a compilation?
it does have sum classic songs, i can make u dance and big ballin 8)
btw how the song fine only hav snoop and kokane on it ???
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orite sorry man, but how u think its a compilation?
if the guy is only spitting one verse per song that's not a solo album; that's why i call it a compilation. he has like two solo songs on the whole album. it's a bunch of posse cuts. tray deee isn't really able to develop a consistent idea, theme or mood throughout the albums. it's more like "featuring ice cube" or yukmouth's "united ghetto's" albums. a bunch of songs showcasing tray deee, but not enough of tray deee to be a true solo album.
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Tray Dee, Tracy Davis, is a monster on the mic. His solo album Ice Age or something of a similar title was supposedly completed 2-3 years ago and was never released.
I would agree that Goldie is not as bad as some my think. His song Railroaded was bangin,.
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Tray Dee, Tracy Davis, is a monster on the mic. His solo album Ice Age or something of a similar title was supposedly completed 2-3 years ago and was never released.
really??????
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wtf
Goldie Loc is alright but Tray Deee is a top 10 west coast lyricist. He's up there with Kam, Crooked I, Sly Boogy, Ras Kass and other top west coast emcees. I don't think I've ever heard a wack Tray Deee verse. He's the reason I bought both of the Eastsidaz albums.
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goldie loc amnd tray dee are both dope...but tray dee is the better lyricist....lmao2 the fool saying tray dee is 49...dude is barely 39 lol....tray dee aint right under crooked i lol he's a dope lyricist but not one of the best...
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goldie loc amnd tray dee are both dope...but tray dee is the better lyricist....lmao2 the fool saying tray dee is 49...dude is barely 39 lol....tray dee aint right under crooked i lol he's a dope lyricist but not one of the best...
yeah thats true i actually think he is 38
but i disagree, tray deee imo is 1 of the best lyrisist along with xzibit, kurupt and crooked i
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do none of yous read anything or know anything ::)
ras kass has way more topics, more styles, more flows than tray deee. tray deee isn't fucking with ras kass. i wish tray deee had kicked a verse on kick roccs so everyone could see ras outshing him.
You seriously think ras kass' flow can fuck with tray deee's ? ras kass has a weak flow pretty often, he's off beat without being on point as others with a real off beat flow are.
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do none of yous read anything or know anything ::)
ras kass has way more topics, more styles, more flows than tray deee. tray deee isn't fucking with ras kass. i wish tray deee had kicked a verse on kick roccs so everyone could see ras outshing him.
You seriously think ras kass' flow can fuck with tray deee's ? ras kass has a weak flow pretty often, he's off beat without being on point as others with a real off beat flow are.
thats 1 of the things that made me notice tray deee, apart from his voice, was his flow, perfect to the beat
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You seriously think ras kass' flow can fuck with tray deee's ? ras kass has a weak flow pretty often, he's off beat without being on point as others with a real off beat flow are.
on rasassination and van gogh, hell yeah. tray deee's flow is always the same. almost formulaic. ras switches it up more, he does more. i haven't listened to institutionalized closely (i felt the beats were kinda wack and stopped listening) but yes. lyrically ras says more, in terms of flow ras does more.
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You seriously think ras kass' flow can fuck with tray deee's ? ras kass has a weak flow pretty often, he's off beat without being on point as others with a real off beat flow are.
on rasassination and van gogh, hell yeah. tray deee's flow is always the same. almost formulaic. ras switches it up more, he does more. i haven't listened to institutionalized closely (i felt the beats were kinda wack and stopped listening) but yes. lyrically ras says more, in terms of flow ras does more.
yeah rass switches his subjects more, but relating to songs they rap in tray deee always in gangsta songs hes more lyrical with that subject
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You seriously think ras kass' flow can fuck with tray deee's ? ras kass has a weak flow pretty often, he's off beat without being on point as others with a real off beat flow are.
on rasassination and van gogh, hell yeah. tray deee's flow is always the same. almost formulaic. ras switches it up more, he does more. i haven't listened to institutionalized closely (i felt the beats were kinda wack and stopped listening) but yes. lyrically ras says more, in terms of flow ras does more.
I disagree. I'm a big Ras Kass fan but as far as flow is concerned, Tray Deee has him beat. What's the name of the track with Twista on Rassassination? Ras was struggling to keep up with the beat. Ras Kass is a better lyricist than Tray Deee but when it comes to strictly flow, Tray has him beat. Tray rides a beat flawlessly IMO. If you listen to his rhyme schemes, he started using the multis before it became trendy and he never fell off topic, which is one of the things about the multi style which I don't like generally.
When it comes to switching speeds, I think Crooked is one of the best at that, or for someone outside the west, Big Boi.
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the generals list is Dope 8)
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Meech Wells Producer
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DJ Silk Producer, Mixing, Engineer
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Tray Dee's flow on "Hard Times On Planet Earth" is fucking tight... IMO Tray Dee is one of the best lyricist in the game. His wording and grammar seperates him from many rappers in the game today. I dont think Snoops flow compares to Tray Dee's. Goldie Loc is great too. Him and Tray Dee are the greatest DUO next to Kurupt N Daz. FREE TRAY DEE!!
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OG Tray Dee is Definately one of the the best from the west, never liked Goldie though that nigga cuss more than Kurupt
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Lol at some of these posters
Kurupt, Crook and Ras Kass in their prime >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tray Dee
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Tray Deee has got some good verses, but The General's List might have done better with a different album cover:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006F89I.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
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Tray Dee is coo but nothin like Ras, Sly, or Crooked. His flow is solid, but he does have the EXACT same flow on every single track, and all his hooks sound nearly identical. He doesn't talk about much outside of gangbangin and thug shit in general.
Goldie Locc is dope when he is...his flow and delivery were always better than Tray Dee's in my opinion...he got a lot more energy and his voice stands out more. Lyrically he was never as good as Tray, but overall Tray wasn't light years ahead of Goldie like people tend to say. Goldie delivers shit to where it hits you, regardless of what he is talkin about.
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Tray Deee has got some good verses, but The General's List might have done better with a different album cover:
lol!
he took it from that general patton movie:
(http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Pictures/patton.jpg)
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What's the name of the track with Twista on Rassassination? Ras was struggling to keep up with the beat.
"all or nuthin'"
that was a bad idea for ras. it was a gimmick (for him) that failed. not his normal flow. listen to him on "grindin'" or "ooh wee!"... ras will switch up the rhyme schemes and the speed and give you more variation within a verse. tray deee's flow is always the same. tray deee verses all sounds the same, or very similar. i agree with r-tistic on this point.
If you listen to his rhyme schemes, he started using the multis before it became trendy
on the west, i'd say the alkaholiks were using multi's way before tray deee, if you're talking about rhyming in triplets and quatrains. if you're talking about rhyming multiple words, i'd say kam beat him to the punch there as well.
without question tray deee's flow is tight, and precise. but tray deee lacks the variation of other lyricists, like ras kass, and it makes his flow seem too formulaic. you hear one tray deee line, you can pretty much predict the structure of the next line.
When it comes to switching speeds, I think Crooked is one of the best at that, or for someone outside the west, Big Boi.
i agree with you about crooked i. crook flows better than ras.
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Goldie Loc is great too. Him and Tray Dee are the greatest DUO next to Kurupt N Daz. FREE TRAY DEE!!
Tray Deee has got some good verses, but The General's List might have done better with a different album cover:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006F89I.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
lol its not exactly gangsta
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Tray Deee has been Top 3 on the Coast since 97....
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Tray Dee is coo but nothin like Ras, Sly, or Crooked. His flow is solid, but he does have the EXACT same flow on every single track, and all his hooks sound nearly identical. He doesn't talk about much outside of gangbangin and thug shit in general.
Goldie Locc is dope when he is...his flow and delivery were always better than Tray Dee's in my opinion...he got a lot more energy and his voice stands out more. Lyrically he was never as good as Tray, but overall Tray wasn't light years ahead of Goldie like people tend to say. Goldie delivers shit to where it hits you, regardless of what he is talkin about.
i agree 100%
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WTF is going on??? Tray Dee a top ten west coast lyricist? Tray Dee on the same level as ras kass, crooked i, and sly boogy? :o
I need to start searching for tray dee tracks-immediately.
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Goldies raps were okey back in 2002 but his last 2 underground albums were str8 poor.
He retired?
Theres no chance he will release a solo album and it do well
obviously, goldie loc is ass without snoop, and now tray deeis locked up till he 50 or something
they're done
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WTF is going on??? Tray Dee a top ten west coast lyricist? Tray Dee on the same level as ras kass, crooked i, and sly boogy? :o
I need to start searching for tray dee tracks-immediately.
Dont believe them.Most of them like him because hes a triple OG or whatever.
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Dont believe them.Most of them like him because hes a triple OG or whatever.
He's still pretty good. He can't fuck with Ras Kass or even Crooked I, but he does have a smooth, laconic flow reminiscent of Snoop himself (albeit with a deeper voice). I dunno about his solo album (I never bothered with it), but he was excellent on Tha Eastsidaz' albums.
Also, isn't Goldie Loc also an OG? I've been under the impression he was the one who put Snoop on Rollin' 20 hood, not the other way around. Yet you still see these cats calling him wack.
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Dont believe them.Most of them like him because hes a triple OG or whatever.
i don't think anyone on this thread is calling tray deee wack. tray deee is dope. he does have a tight flow. i think what's at issue is tray deee being annointed top 3 or top 5. i don't think tray deee is better than ras, crook, tash or j-ro, yuk, rage...etc. and personally i still keep knocc out & dresta high on my private list, but i'm waiting for new material before i return them to the public list. tray deee is probably top 10 definitely top 15, but i don't see him as top 3 or 5. top 15 is in no way a diss. there are hundreds of mc's on the west coast. top 15 is still excellent.
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Tray Deee has never dropped a verse less than great. Ive never heard him off beat. Hes always tight with the lyrics.
Hes been rippin it since 94
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Ive never heard him off beat.
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goldie is hard so is tre-d
that's real nigga music
those who diss them aint real
they bangin in the streets and get much props
no one in the hood knocc's them to hella mc's
i be in the streets really!!!
Yeah...and he's doing 12 years right now, so he ain't gonna be making any more "real nigga music" until he's 50 years old, when nobody's gonna wanna hear some old grandfather rapping bout how "gangsta" he is. "Dopeness" and "realness" ain't the same thing, so don't get it twisted, homie - if "realness" equaled "dopeness", 50 would be the best rapper alive.
And you're from Pomona, right? A lot of Pomona muthafuckas I've seen hate on just about anything coming out of Dre or Snoop's camps because they still think Dre and Snoop stole credit for inventing G-Funk from Hutch and Above The Law. They think ATL should've got the props and record sales that Dre and Snoop got. Do a lot of them hate on Tray Deee and Goldie Loc for being associated with Snoop?
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they still think Dre and Snoop stole credit for inventing G-Funk from Hutch and Above The Law. They think ATL should've got the props and record sales that Dre and Snoop got.
dre clearly stole g-funk from atl. atl did it first. atl had that dre day beat first. dre just had a cleaner more polished sound. he did it better. "the chronic" is way cleaner sounding than "black mafia life"; and dre had better mc's whith snoop and the dpg than atl did
and really, the east coast had g-funk before atl or dre. especially the flavor unit, particularly monie love and naughty by nature.
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dre clearly stole g-funk from atl. atl did it first. atl had that dre day beat first. dre just had a cleaner more polished sound. he did it better. "the chronic" is way cleaner sounding than "black mafia life"; and dre had better mc's whith snoop and the dpg than atl did
Well, I'm inclined to think that's possible, but there's one significant problem: Not only did "Black Mafia Life" (which ATL claims is the REAL first G-Funk ablum) come out several months AFTER "The Chronic", but Dre and Snoop released "Deep Cover" back in April of '92, almost a full year before "BML", and that's the first song where Dre debuted the G-Funk style (unless you count "Alwayz Into Something" from N.W.A's "Niggaz4Life" album, which has those same portamento keyboard leads). ATL's argument basically rests on the notion that Dre managed to get out a G-Funk single AND album before they released "BML". Unless ATL can prove that the entire "BML" album was finished BEFORE Dre even left Ruthless Records, their argument holds no water. I once asked Damon X (one of West World Records' PR employees) if he could prove this - and he couldn't, though he insisted Hutch could.
and really, the east coast had g-funk before atl or dre. especially the flavor unit, particularly monie love and naughty by nature.
Why, because they used Clinton and Parliament samples first? Sampling old P-Funk records by itself does not G-Funk make. G-Funk means you take the old P-Funk samples, dirty them up, bring out the melodies with either flutes or long chords from the upper registers of the keyboard, and then add the hard drums. So basically, it's the combination of gangsta ruggedness and P-Funk samples that constitutes what we call "G-Funk" now. That is what Dre and Hutch pioneered.
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Well, I'm inclined to think that's possible, but there's one significant problem: Not only did "Black Mafia Life" (which ATL claims is the REAL first G-Funk ablum) come out several months AFTER "The Chronic", but Dre and Snoop released "Deep Cover" back in April of '92, almost a full year before "BML"
i'd argue that cold 187um had g-funk albums out in '91.
listen to:
kokane - inner city hoodlum - addictive hiphop muzick (1991) (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/InnerCityHoodlum.m4a)
above the law - play your game - vocally pimpin' [ep] (1991) (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/PlayYourGame.m4a)
kokane's album is full of g-funk and g-funk precursor tracks.
also, i would argue that atleast half of the chronic including "deep cover" is simply an extension and natural development of the n.w.a. sound.
i think hutch was specifically talking about the sound on "dre day", "let me ride", "deez nuts", "g-thang"... etc literally about 5 or 6 songs and not the whole album.
atl had a kamurshol for "black mafia life" on the "vocally pimpin'" ep which was released in '91, so it's clear they were working on it then; atl had already dropped g-funk tracks by then, and this is 91...
and really, the east coast had g-funk before atl or dre. especially the flavor unit, particularly monie love and naughty by nature.
Why, because they used Clinton and Parliament samples first? Sampling old P-Funk records by itself does not G-Funk make. G-Funk means you take the old P-Funk samples, dirty them up, bring out the melodies with either flutes or long chords from the upper registers of the keyboard, and then add the hard drums. So basically, it's the combination of gangsta ruggedness and P-Funk samples that constitutes what we call "G-Funk" now. That is what Dre and Hutch pioneered.
this is what i'm calling g-funk, i'm not a musician, but i think it meets your criteria:
monie love - work it out - boyz n tha hood soundtrack (1991) (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/WorkItOut.m4a)
that is on a west coast soundtrack no less. there's about a 30 second intro sequence before the song really starts...
naughty by nature - rhyme'll shine on - naughty by nature (1991) (http://homepage.mac.com/nibs/.Music/RhymellShineOn.m4a)
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First of all, in the letter ATL wrote to "The Source" where they complained about not being on the Top 100 artists of all time list, they claimed it was "Black Mafia Life" that Dre copied. Not the "Vocally Pimpin" EP or any of Kokane's albums, but "BML" specifically. It's kinda odd that they would say that, no? You'd think they would be more familiar with their own catalog of work.
Second, I've heard both of those albums (I even used to have "Vocally Pimpin" on 12" years ago), and while I will say that there are some samples and production techniques that might be associated with G-Funk, the overall production approach doesn't follow a unified template (this is also true of "BML") - it's clear that even if Hutch was experimenting with new sounds, he hadn't yet figured out a definitive style (which is what G-Funk represents). In particular, note the lack of synth layers and the obvious lack of attempts to create a more melodic sound on almost every track (using the long keyboard melodies and live instrumention that is common in Dre's work). You noted earlier that you thought "The Chronic" sounded "cleaner" than "BML" - that's because Hutch was obviously not trying to do the same thing as Dre. Even if Dre did borrow some ideas from Hutch (and I'll admit that's possible), the simple fact is that in terms of sonic detail, Dre was light-years ahead of Hutch - and this is evident on all of his tracks. And finally, I've already argued that "Alwayz Into Something" could be considered a G-Funk precursor track - meaning Dre had G-Funk out in '91 as well, if you count these "precursors".
Third, "Deep Cover" wasn't on "The Chronic", but it IS a G-Funk single - it has every single production element that Dre used "The Chronic". And if you think half of that album is an extension of the N.W.A. sound, you're greatly mistaken - the only songs I'll admit sound a lot less like G-Funk are "The Day The Niggaz Took Over", "Stranded On Death Row", and "Lyrical Gangbang" (I included this one only because the drums are sampled from Led Zeppelin rather than James Brown or any other soul/R&B records - those whiny synthesizers that pop up between verses are very much a characteristic of G-Funk). Everything Dre had done on that record was a complete departure from what he'd done with N.W.A. (except, of course, "Alwayz Into Something", which I've referred to repeatdly) - the main difference, as I've said before, is that G-Funk emphasizes the softer, more melodic qualities of funk to create a more laid-back, down-tempo sound, whereas Dre's previous work (and that work of gangsta producers in general beforehand) was harder-edged and more up-tempo.
Oh, yeah, and if you think those Monie Love and Naughty By Nature joints are G-Funk, you're mistaken. You don't have to be a musician or a producer to know what G-Funk is - trust me, I've worked as a music critic (I'm currently a teacher) before, and I'm quite familiar with the G-Funk sound. I've also been listening to those kinds of records for a very long time now, and I can assure you, when that sound came out, it was so distinctive that it was impossible not to know what it was as soon as you heard it.
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First of all, in the letter ATL wrote to "The Source" where they complained about not being on the Top 100 artists of all time list, they claimed it was "Black Mafia Life" that Dre copied. Not the "Vocally Pimpin" EP or any of Kokane's albums, but "BML" specifically. It's kinda odd that they would say that, no? You'd think they would be more familiar with their own catalog of work.
i believe "dre day" jacks a beat directly off "black mafia life" (uses the same sample) and this this the the most eggregious example of dre's copying.
Second, I've heard both of those albums (I even used to have "Vocally Pimpin" on 12" years ago), and while I will say that there are some samples and production techniques that might be associated with G-Funk, the overall production approach doesn't follow a unified template (this is also true of "BML")
sure. you can see cold 187um developing his sound from album to album, hutch stated that dre heard "black mafia life" while they were developing it and this is when he stole the sound, ran with it and did "dre day" and the rest. i think dre's sound on the chronic was far more polished than what hutch was doing on "black mafia life". all i'm saying is you can see hutch developing the sound all along, andhutch had g-funk precursors atleast out first.
it's clear that even if Hutch was experimenting with new sounds, he hadn't yet figured out a definitive style (which is what G-Funk represents).
i agree with you here.
the simple fact is that in terms of sonic detail, Dre was light-years ahead of Hutch - and this is evident on all of his tracks.
i believe dre took hutch's sound and improved on it. in that sense i agree with your statements.
Oh, yeah, and if you think those Monie Love and Naughty By Nature joints are G-Funk, you're mistaken. You don't have to be a musician or a producer to know what G-Funk is - trust me, I've worked as a music critic (I'm currently a teacher) before, and I'm quite familiar with the G-Funk sound.
i don't think we agree on what g-funk is. i think the monie love track, and certainly the naughty track are much more pure forms of g-funk than something like "rat-tat-tat-tat" or even "deep cover".
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Yeah, I liked Tray Deee as well, and it's too bad he got himself into some shit and won't be outta prison till he's 50.
is that all??? tray deee is old as fuck. he's like 49 right now. tray deee will be 50 in march. he could have the album out by summer...
lol
you guys have been on point in this thread. goldie was always the weakest link in the group, and a tray deee solo album would be hot. i'm curious what tray would rhyme about for a full album. 16 tracks about groupies and og shit, or would he expand his subject matter? i'd like to see a tray deee solo album.
tray deee isn't better than ras kass though. whoever said that needs to hook me up with a hit off whatever they're smoking. that must be some bomb shit.
is tray deee 49?
I tought he was 39
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Yeah, I liked Tray Deee as well, and it's too bad he got himself into some shit and won't be outta prison till he's 50.
is that all??? tray deee is old as fuck. he's like 49 right now. tray deee will be 50 in march. he could have the album out by summer...
lol
is tray deee 49?
I tought he was 39
i was joking about tray deee's age. i don't know how old he is but the consensus seems to be 39.