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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on January 08, 2006, 02:47:59 PM
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Just heard this song courtesy of J bananas. And wow, Mobb Deep cut their fucking nuts off to try to get at 50's market. If you ain't heard it, 50 has the first verse (surprise surprise) and you can hear his ass going G-G-G-G-G-Unit the entire fucking song. Did Havoc produce this? Hav's verse comes off pretty good, P is sub-par (what else is new), and 50 is, well 50. Nate is OK, nothing amazing. Where are the people that said Mobb wasn't gonna switch their sound up? I'm guessing with both 50 and Nate, this is their lead single for their album? I really liked Amerikas Nightmare, too. My anticipation for this album dropped greatly when they signed to G-Unit, and dropped even more after hearing this song.
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produced by fredwreck!
two reasons to like this song for fredwreck production and nate, 50 and mobb deep dont mix in my opinion
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Yes, i've never met a Fredwreck / Nate collabo that i didn't like. And i'm glad the west is getting shine, i just wish they could do it without 50. Mobb Deep has made club joints before but they usually have a darker / grimier feel to them. I'm more disgusted with 50 being on there saying G-Unit every 3 seconds. Hopefully the album isn't full of this type of shit, because Mobb will just end up alienating their long time supporters.
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I don't see how this song is really all that different from other Mobb Deep club joints. Everybody seems to like "It's Mine" and "Got It Twisted", and this song would fit in perfectly with those two if it weren't for 50's guest verse and Nate Dogg on the hook (although P and Hav did work with Nate before on "Dump") - at the very least, it's far harder than the "Outta Control" remix.
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I don't see how this song is really all that different from other Mobb Deep club joints. Everybody seems to like "It's Mine" and "Got It Twisted", and this song would fit in perfectly with those two if it weren't for 50's guest verse and Nate Dogg on the hook (although P and Hav did work with Nate before on "Dump") - at the very least, it's far harder than the "Outta Control" remix.
Got It Twisted was much darker sounding, imo - even using that 80's sample. And Outta Control remix was def dope, but that was 50 feat Mobb Deep. You admit the song is different because of 50 - and that is my point. As a fan of Mobb, this isnt really the sound that i'm checking for. I don't wanna hear 50, and i sure as fuck don't wanna hear him yelling g-unit all over the track. If i want that sound, i'll buy a 50 cent CD. Judging by this single, they aren't dropping music to appeal to the people that have been supporting them throughout their careers, they are admittedly tapping into 50's teeny bopper crowd. I'm all for making $, but i think it's a questionable call musically.
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Got It Twisted was much darker sounding, imo - even using that 80's sample. And Outta Control remix was def dope, but that was 50 feat Mobb Deep. You admit the song is different because of 50 - and that is my point. As a fan of Mobb, this isnt really the sound that i'm checking for. I don't wanna hear 50, and i sure as fuck don't wanna hear him yelling g-unit all over the track. If i want that sound, i'll buy a 50 cent CD. Judging by this single, they aren't dropping music to appeal to the people that have been supporting them throughout their careers, they are admittedly tapping into 50's teeny bopper crowd. I'm all for making $, but i think it's a questionable call musically.
Aiight, "Got It Twisted" was a bit dark, but what about "It's Mine"? Considering it samples the "Scarface" theme, it doesn't sound that grimy, and everyone seems to agree that's one of P and Hav's best songs ever.
As far as the song being different because of 50, that doesn't change the aesthetic much..."Have A Party" really doesn't sound TOO much different from other club tracks Mobb Deep has done, so 50's inclusion is forgivable and easy for me to overlook. Anyway, I realize that Mobb Deep isn't doing much grimy shit anymore, but it's been that way for years...if you think Mobb Deep selling out is a recent thing, you're mistaken. They haven't made a grimy album that satisfied their hardcore fans since the days of "Hell On Earth". With "Murda Muzik", they pretty much embraced the mainstream instead of the underground repentently and haven't looked back since. I'll admit that I was a bit dissapointed when they crossed over, but at least they still make quality music (aside from "Infamy", which was awful), and that's what matters to me.
"Have A Party" may not be great, but it's still one of the better tracks on the GRODT soundtrack (not saying much, I know...)
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Its pretty sad not to like a song just cause 50 is on it. Who cares if you like 50? I don't like 50, but I do like some of his music. He makes some very good music. This song is tight, and maybe if you stop associating 50 with "teeny boppers", and stop stereotyping his music (cause its not all for the ladies) then maybe you'd like a hit when it comes around. The ggggg-unit thing is annoying, but his verse ain't that bad.
"Have A Party" may not be great, but it's still one of the better tracks on the GRODT soundtrack (not saying much, I know...)
That soundtrack was one of the better albums of 2005. At least half the album was tight, imo.
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That soundtrack was one of the better albums of 2005. At least half the album was tight, imo.
Half of it was tight and you call it one of the better albums of 2005? :loco:
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Its pretty sad not to like a song just cause 50 is on it. Who cares if you like 50? I don't like 50, but I do like some of his music. He makes some very good music. This song is tight, and maybe if you stop associating 50 with "teeny boppers", and stop stereotyping his music (cause its not all for the ladies) then maybe you'd like a hit when it comes around. The ggggg-unit thing is annoying, but his verse ain't that bad.
Uh, why is it sad to not like a song cause 50 is on it? I'm sorry but thats an idiotic statement. So when is it fair to not like a song? And if you read my earlier post, i said Outta Control was a good song, so your statement is invalid anyway.
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I'd like to think I give 50 more of a chance than 99% of these Game-dickriding "G-UNot" muh'fuckas on DubCNN. I think 50's been acting like an asshole lately, thinking he's so fly even though he's got no respect for the culture or his own fans, but I can admit that he makes quality music, and I can appreciate it when I hear it.
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I actually love the track which I couldnt believe, 50 is actually real nice in it. damn prodigy has fell the fuck off
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I want the old 50 back, the one that didn't rap about money... this song is ok but the G G GG G UNIT every 3 seconds ruins it a bit...
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i hope NOBODY can actually say that him going G-G-G-G-G-G all over the chrous wasnt annoying. the song is...alright I guess. the beat was good (doesnt go well with 50 or Mobb Deep), and the chorus wasnt that good either (nate dogg is played out)
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This song fuckin sucks, everyone had their part in making this song wack.Matter of fact, this has gotta be one of the worst hip hop songs I've ever heard & I can't believe people like this beat (they like it just cause of Fredwreck) & actually like Nate's chorus (people still havent noticed he's fell off).
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This song fuckin sucks, everyone had their part in making this song wack.Matter of fact, this has gotta be one of the worst hip hop songs I've ever heard & I can't believe people like this beat (they like it just cause of Fredwreck) & actually like Nate's chorus (people still havent noticed he's fell off).
hater
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^lol are you serious???I aint gonna like this song just cause some westcoast artists participated on it.I find it hard to believe people hated Snoop's work wit The Neptunes but actually like this bullshit just cause Fredwreck & Nate are on it.
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I'd like to think I give 50 more of a chance than 99% of these Game-dickriding "G-UNot" muh'fuckas on DubCNN. I think 50's been acting like an asshole lately, thinking he's so fly even though he's got no respect for the culture or his own fans, but I can admit that he makes quality music, and I can appreciate it when I hear it.
I second that.
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Personally I like the track and the beat but I agree Im basically done now with Nate I just dont care to hear him nemore
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This song fuckin sucks, everyone had their part in making this song wack.Matter of fact, this has gotta be one of the worst hip hop songs I've ever heard & I can't believe people like this beat (they like it just cause of Fredwreck) & actually like Nate's chorus (people still havent noticed he's fell off).
I could never say Nate fell off, because his hook and verses on "Black Mercedez" are Top 10, maybe Top 5 nate in my book. And he sounds good on Eminem's new song, but people hate on Eminem a whole lot now so they don't even wanna give it a chance.
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I thought Nate had fallen off, but he proved me wrong with "Black Mercedez" and "Real Soon"
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i don´t know if i wanna hear this shit coz all of the Mobb Deep club songs i´ve heard has been sup-bar including Got It Twisted. and someone tell P that you´re actually supposed to rhyme when you´re rapping coz he seems to have forgotten that*goes off to bump The Infamous* 8)
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People forget Nate's collabo with Warren on the title track for "In The Mid-Nite Hour". I know that album was overlooked, and damn, Nate sounded so soulful on that cut. It really brought the best out of him - as did "Black Mercedez". The problem now is that Nate's chorus work is more hit and miss than ever before, as opposed to when he used to add something fresh to every single he appeared on. On "Have A Party" and that recent Mack 10 track, for example, he sounds like he's just going through the motions for the paycheck.
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i was just wondering, but is this video getting any airplay? It's not one of the most original videos I've ever seen..
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This song fuckin sucks, everyone had their part in making this song wack
lol ahh man i love this dudes comments.
the beat really isnt that bad. but its hard to enjoy a good beat when u have to suffer through weak verses.
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I thought Nate had fallen off, but he proved me wrong with "Black Mercedez" and "Real Soon"
true He's Dope on Real Soon
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Well I won't be buying the next Mobb Deep album then. Lets just hope the MOP stuff on G Unit isn't this bad.
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Hahaha, Dubcc in a nutshell.
From the 10-15 songs Mobb Deep put out after they signed to G-Unit, people judge them by the one and only commercial party-track out of the dozen. ::)
What about "Poppin Bottles" ?, which had the same throwback feeling Got It Twisted had, courtesy of Alchemist, or "L'ecole du crime" feat. 113, "Yeah", "The Infamous" ft. 50 Cent, "Gangbang Music" feat. Yayo, "Talking Sideways", "We on it", "How you survive", "Not hurting nuthin", "That's that" feat. Alchemist, "Champions" feat. Twin, etc. etc.
Why don't you discuss none of these ??
Not enough 50 Cent ? No G-Unit shoutouts ?
Gotta love Dubcc. :D ;D
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I Was At A Party Recently, & They Played This Song. A Lot Of People Was Feelin It. I Think It's Decent. It's A Good Party Track.
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Hahaha, Dubcc in a nutshell.
From the 10-15 songs Mobb Deep put out after they signed to G-Unit, people judge them by the one and only commercial party-track out of the dozen. ::)
What about "Poppin Bottles" ?, which had the same throwback feeling Got It Twisted had, courtesy of Alchemist, or "L'ecole du crime" feat. 113, "Yeah", "The Infamous" ft. 50 Cent, "Gangbang Music" feat. Yayo, "Talking Sideways", "We on it", "How you survive", "Not hurting nuthin", "That's that" feat. Alchemist, "Champions" feat. Twin, etc. etc.
Why don't you discuss none of these ??
Not enough 50 Cent ? No G-Unit shoutouts ?
Gotta love Dubcc. :D ;D
Blindly defending anything G-Unit. Gotta love Jome :grumpy:
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Blindly defending anything G-Unit. Gotta love Jome :grumpy:
Been a Mobb fan since the mid-90's, try again.
Funny how you avoided the whole post, not too updated on Mobb Deep, are we.. ??
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Blindly defending anything G-Unit. Gotta love Jome :grumpy:
Been a Mobb fan since the mid-90's, try again.
Funny how you avoided the whole post, not too updated on Mobb Deep, are we.. ??
I ain't avoiding shit dog. We both know i posted a long ass time ago that i was all for M.O.P. and MOBB signing to G-Unit as long as they didn't compromise their style. Well they're already doing it, and they haven't even dropped their albums yet. You got 50 doing the lead verse, and ad-libbing G-Unit over the whole damn track. Not what i'm looking for when i check for MOBB DEEP. 50 been talking about how he got M.O.P. in the gym so he can tap that LL Cool J fanbase. Not what i'm looking for when i check for M.O.P.
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I ain't avoiding shit dog. We both know i posted a long ass time ago that i was all for M.O.P. and MOBB signing to G-Unit as long as they didn't compromise their style. Well they're already doing it, and they haven't even dropped their albums yet. You got 50 doing the lead verse, and ad-libbing G-Unit over the whole damn track. Not what i'm looking for when i check for MOBB DEEP. 50 been talking about how he got M.O.P. in the gym so he can tap that LL Cool J fanbase. Not what i'm looking for when i check for M.O.P.
The only thing that changed for Mobb Deep, is that they exchanged a Lil Jon cut or a 112 hook for some 50 Cent cameos, and fatter pockets.
And let's not forget bigger budgets for production, promotion, videos..
Let's have a look at the other tracks Mobb put out after they signed with G-Unit:
Poppin Bottles - Alchemist produced throwback cut a la "Got it twisted"
L'ecole du crime feat. 113 - Dark Alchemist track feat. French rapper 113, grimey heater.
Yeah - Cool little Havoc produced track about guns & crime, the usual, made for mixtapes.
The Infamous ft. 50 Cent - Alchemist brings the heat again, with a wicked sample. 50 is limited to a small chorus with very few G-Unit shouts. :D
Gangbang Music feat. Yayo - Alchemist again, dark track Mobb Deep style, Yayo only on the chorus.
Talking Sideways - Once again dark beat, somewhat South influenced, made for mixtapes.
We on it - Weird dark beat, not the best track imo.
How you survive - Dope dark Havoc beat, shit is live, y'all don't want with H.
Not hurtin nuthin - Average Havoc beat, commercial ? No.
That's that feat. Alchemist - Hell yeah, crazy Alchemist sample, Alc even drops a verse, gangstashit!
Champions feat. Twin - Prodigy and Twin on that grimey Infamous tip, QB style.
You a shooter feat. 50 Cent - A little boring Sha Money beat, but decent track about shooting and killing.
Where's the singing ???
Where's the selling out ???
If you can take Mobb Deep jumping around in the club in button-ups with Lil Jon, I'm sure you can take some cameos from 50 Cent as well. :wavey:
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My only problem with Mobb Deep being on G Unit is the fact That Prodigy keeps talking shit, like being in G Unit was Better than being in paradise or sumthin
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I ain't avoiding shit dog. We both know i posted a long ass time ago that i was all for M.O.P. and MOBB signing to G-Unit as long as they didn't compromise their style. Well they're already doing it, and they haven't even dropped their albums yet. You got 50 doing the lead verse, and ad-libbing G-Unit over the whole damn track. Not what i'm looking for when i check for MOBB DEEP. 50 been talking about how he got M.O.P. in the gym so he can tap that LL Cool J fanbase. Not what i'm looking for when i check for M.O.P.
The only thing that changed for Mobb Deep, is that they exchanged a Lil Jon cut or a 112 hook for some 50 Cent cameos, and fatter pockets.
And let's not forget bigger budgets for production, promotion, videos..
Let's have a look at the other tracks Mobb put out after they signed with G-Unit:
Poppin Bottles - Alchemist produced throwback cut a la "Got it twisted"
L'ecole du crime feat. 113 - Dark Alchemist track feat. French rapper 113, grimey heater.
Yeah - Cool little Havoc produced track about guns & crime, the usual, made for mixtapes.
The Infamous ft. 50 Cent - Alchemist brings the heat again, with a wicked sample. 50 is limited to a small chorus with very few G-Unit shouts. :D
Gangbang Music feat. Yayo - Alchemist again, dark track Mobb Deep style, Yayo only on the chorus.
Talking Sideways - Once again dark beat, somewhat South influenced, made for mixtapes.
We on it - Weird dark beat, not the best track imo.
How you survive - Dope dark Havoc beat, shit is live, y'all don't want with H.
Not hurtin nuthin - Average Havoc beat, commercial ? No.
That's that feat. Alchemist - Hell yeah, crazy Alchemist sample, Alc even drops a verse, gangstashit!
Champions feat. Twin - Prodigy and Twin on that grimey Infamous tip, QB style.
You a shooter feat. 50 Cent - A little boring Sha Money beat, but decent track about shooting and killing.
Where's the singing ???
Where's the selling out ???
If you can take Mobb Deep jumping around in the club in button-ups with Lil Jon, I'm sure you can take some cameos from 50 Cent as well. :wavey:
I think you are kind of missing the point though Jome, all the tracks you mentioned showed up on I guess mixtapes and what ever (I'll admit to having only heard 3-4 of the tracks you listed). The first time they do a track that actually appears on a G-Unit album, and its this bullshit. I've no doubt they'll continue to drop "grimy shit" on mixtapes, but I can't help feeling that at least half of their first album on G-Unit is going to be this kind of mindless party track, which is not what I check Mobb Deep for.
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I ain't avoiding shit dog. We both know i posted a long ass time ago that i was all for M.O.P. and MOBB signing to G-Unit as long as they didn't compromise their style. Well they're already doing it, and they haven't even dropped their albums yet. You got 50 doing the lead verse, and ad-libbing G-Unit over the whole damn track. Not what i'm looking for when i check for MOBB DEEP. 50 been talking about how he got M.O.P. in the gym so he can tap that LL Cool J fanbase. Not what i'm looking for when i check for M.O.P.
The only thing that changed for Mobb Deep, is that they exchanged a Lil Jon cut or a 112 hook for some 50 Cent cameos, and fatter pockets.
And let's not forget bigger budgets for production, promotion, videos..
Let's have a look at the other tracks Mobb put out after they signed with G-Unit:
Poppin Bottles - Alchemist produced throwback cut a la "Got it twisted"
L'ecole du crime feat. 113 - Dark Alchemist track feat. French rapper 113, grimey heater.
Yeah - Cool little Havoc produced track about guns & crime, the usual, made for mixtapes.
The Infamous ft. 50 Cent - Alchemist brings the heat again, with a wicked sample. 50 is limited to a small chorus with very few G-Unit shouts. :D
Gangbang Music feat. Yayo - Alchemist again, dark track Mobb Deep style, Yayo only on the chorus.
Talking Sideways - Once again dark beat, somewhat South influenced, made for mixtapes.
We on it - Weird dark beat, not the best track imo.
How you survive - Dope dark Havoc beat, shit is live, y'all don't want with H.
Not hurtin nuthin - Average Havoc beat, commercial ? No.
That's that feat. Alchemist - Hell yeah, crazy Alchemist sample, Alc even drops a verse, gangstashit!
Champions feat. Twin - Prodigy and Twin on that grimey Infamous tip, QB style.
You a shooter feat. 50 Cent - A little boring Sha Money beat, but decent track about shooting and killing.
Where's the singing ???
Where's the selling out ???
If you can take Mobb Deep jumping around in the club in button-ups with Lil Jon, I'm sure you can take some cameos from 50 Cent as well. :wavey:
I appreciate your critique of Mobb Deep's recent tracks since they signed to G-Unit, and i can't front i haven't nearly heard all of them. Problem is, your opinion on anything G-Unit is drastically different then mine, so it means nothing.
Do you understand the definition of selling out? Who gives a fuck if they have fatter pockets, bigger budgets for production, promotion, videos, etc? Congrats to them for getting $, but if they make bullshit music to do so then i have NO interest. I'll say it AGAIN - From a music standpoint it's fucking wack. You could take damn near anybody, put 50 on a verse, shout G-Unit, get a flashy video with ass everywhere. You'd probably have a hit, and that person would get "fatter pockets". But that's not what i'm supporting.
So if this is such a good move for them, are you predicting a better album than "The Infamous" or "Hell on Earth"? Did those albums have huge budgets for production, promotion, videos? Did the fact that they didn't have big budgets ruin the musicianship on those albums? FUCK NO.
And for the record, I wasn't pumped with the Lil Jon cameo, but it wasn't like they signed to BME and had Lil Jon screaming all over the fuckin album. They could have done that too, and taken advantage of the Crunk movement. Probably would have gotten some fat pockets that way too.
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this track was ok...50 sayin "g-unit" constantly got annoyin but u can tone it out wit the rest (i.e. nate, mobb n the beat)
i liked that talkin sidewayz track they had...havent heard any of the other onez yet
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"Gangbang Music" is the only track I like from them since they've been on G-Unit
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I think you are kind of missing the point though Jome, all the tracks you mentioned showed up on I guess mixtapes and what ever (I'll admit to having only heard 3-4 of the tracks you listed). The first time they do a track that actually appears on a G-Unit album, and its this bullshit. I've no doubt they'll continue to drop "grimy shit" on mixtapes, but I can't help feeling that at least half of their first album on G-Unit is going to be this kind of mindless party track, which is not what I check Mobb Deep for.
Your guesses and assumptions is as good as anybodys.. time will tell.
I appreciate your critique of Mobb Deep's recent tracks since they signed to G-Unit, and i can't front i haven't nearly heard all of them. Problem is, your opinion on anything G-Unit is drastically different then mine, so it means nothing.
Mobb Deep is the topic here, I don't care which label they are on, like you obviously can not get over.
I would have reviewed the tracks the same way if they were still on Jive, because I don't switch opinions about artists according to which label they are on, it seems like you cannot like Mobb Deep any more, or say anything unbiased about them, since they're on 50 Cent's label, and you hate him so bad that you hate everything associated with him.
Do you understand the definition of selling out? Who gives a fuck if they have fatter pockets, bigger budgets for production, promotion, videos, etc? Congrats to them for getting $, but if they make bullshit music to do so then i have NO interest. I'll say it AGAIN - From a music standpoint it's fucking wack. You could take damn near anybody, put 50 on a verse, shout G-Unit, get a flashy video with ass everywhere. You'd probably have a hit, and that person would get "fatter pockets". But that's not what i'm supporting.
It's time for Mobb Deep to get that motherfucking paper, don't be jealous.
It seemed like Jive was the solution, they promised much, but delivered not so much.
Now, what is selling out ??
Did you honestly think that getting 112 to sing lovesongs and dancing around with Lil Jon in the club wasn't about trying to cash in, that it wasn't selling out, but signing with 50 Cent is ??
REALITY CHECK! :D
So if this is such a good move for them, are you predicting a better album than "The Infamous" or "Hell on Earth"? Did those albums have huge budgets for production, promotion, videos? Did the fact that they didn't have big budgets ruin the musicianship on those albums? FUCK NO.
It's 2006, get with the times! Some of you fools still living in the 90s.
Mobb Deep been putting in work since the early 90's, did it pay off yet ??
Did dark grimey Murda Music put them in the limelight with a HUGE loyal fanbase and global airplay ? No x 4.
If they actually did put out a album in Infamous/HOE-style, people would be talking about old news, and not renewing themselves.
Can't blame them for trying to end their careers with a decent retirement fund, but by all means, continue the G-Unot bashfest if you desire. :cheers:
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Did you honestly think that getting 112 to sing lovesongs and dancing around with Lil Jon in the club wasn't about trying to cash in, that it wasn't selling out, but signing with 50 Cent is ??
REALITY CHECK! :D
you do realize that you said the exact opposite about Nas almost signing with Murder Inc? you thought that was a bad move just because you hate Ja, but you're gonna argue with people that lost respect for Mobb Deep for signing with G-Unit?
another wow moment!
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Did you honestly think that getting 112 to sing lovesongs and dancing around with Lil Jon in the club wasn't about trying to cash in, that it wasn't selling out, but signing with 50 Cent is ??
REALITY CHECK! :D
you do realize that you said the exact opposite about Nas almost signing with Murder Inc? you thought that was a bad move just because you hate Ja, but you're gonna argue with people that lost respect for Mobb Deep for signing with G-Unit?
another wow moment!
Yeah, signing with Ja Rule back then would be a genius move!
We all know which way that ship sunk.
Nas goes platinum almost every time, would he be better off on a r'n'b-label with 1 (ex)star ?
Mobb Deep is lucky to reach gold, obviously this is a totally different situation.
Another "THINK BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN" moment.
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Mobb Deep is lucky to reach gold, obviously this is a totally different situation.
Another "THINK BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN" moment.
The Infamous - Loud #66480
Released 4/25/95 dist. by RCA
Billboard 200 Hot Shot Debut 5/13/95
Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums Hot Shot Debut 5/13/95
18 weeks (5/13/95-9/9/95) on Billboard 200 peaking at #18
34 weeks (5/13/95-2/17/96) on Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums peaking at #3
Certified Gold by RIAA on 6/26/95
Hell On Earth - Loud #669920
Released 11/19/96 dist. by RCA
Sold 143,000 in its 1st week
Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums Hot Shot Debut 12/7/96
16 weeks (12/7/96-3/22/97) on Billboard 200 peaking at #6
28 weeks (12/7/96-6/17/97) on Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums peaking at #1
Certified Gold by RIAA on 4/9/97
Murda Muzik - Loud/Columbia #63715
Released 8/17/99 dist. by CRG
Sold 194,000 in its 1st week
Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums Greatest Gainer/Sales 9/4/99
Billboard Canadian Albums Chart #6 9/4/99 (dist. by Sony)
17 weeks (9/4/99-1/15/00) on Billboard 200 peaking at #3
30 weeks (8/28/99-3/18/00) on Billboard Top R&B/Hip Hop Albums peaking at #2
Certified Gold by RIAA in 9/99
Certified Platinum by RIAA in 10/99
Don't have the figures for Infamy or AN.
Mobb Deep is the topic here, I don't care which label they are on, like you obviously can not get over.
I would have reviewed the tracks the same way if they were still on Jive, because I don't switch opinions about artists according to which label they are on, it seems like you cannot like Mobb Deep any more, or say anything unbiased about them, since they're on 50 Cent's label, and you hate him so bad that you hate everything associated with him.
Ok, i'm gonna say this as clearly as possible. Regardless of what label its on, you obviously have different musical tastes than me - which is why i don't hold your reviews in a high regard. As for hating 50 or anything associated with him, you need to step up your reading comprehension, and you'll see in this very thread that i thought "Outta Control" was a dope song. So take your own advice and THINK BEFORE YOU POST.
It's time for Mobb Deep to get that motherfucking paper, don't be jealous.
It seemed like Jive was the solution, they promised much, but delivered not so much.
I hope for your sake you're high right now, because you're not worth arguing with if i have to repeat myself everytime. My argument has NOTHING to do with them getting their $$. MORE POWER TO THEM.
Did you honestly think that getting 112 to sing lovesongs and dancing around with Lil Jon in the club wasn't about trying to cash in, that it wasn't selling out, but signing with 50 Cent is ??
REALITY CHECK!
i'll paste my last response since you obviously didn't grasp it:
And for the record, I wasn't pumped with the Lil Jon cameo, but it wasn't like they signed to BME and had Lil Jon screaming all over the fuckin album. They could have done that too, and taken advantage of the Crunk movement. Probably would have gotten some fat pockets that way too.
It's 2006, get with the times! Some of you fools still living in the 90s.
Mobb Deep been putting in work since the early 90's, did it pay off yet ??
Did dark grimey Murda Music put them in the limelight with a HUGE loyal fanbase and global airplay ? No x 4.
If they actually did put out a album in Infamous/HOE-style, people would be talking about old news, and not renewing themselves.
You completely sidestepped my question here. DO YOU THINK THIS ALBUM WILL BE BETTER THAN "THE INFAMOUS" OR "HELL ON EARTH" ? Both of these albums are widely regarded as classics, or if nothing else, MOBB's best work. What the fuck does the time frame in which they came have to do with ANYTHING? I'm not talking about if the feel of the album will have that 90's grimey feeling that these two had, i'm saying: Do you think this album will be held with the high regard that these two are?
Can't blame them for trying to end their careers with a decent retirement fund, but by all means, continue the G-Unot bashfest if you desire.
You realize when you make this statement, that you are admitting they are taking this route strictly for the paper? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MUSICAL DIRECTION THEY ARE TAKING - NOT THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
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Don't have the figures for Infamy or AN.
Infamy did gold with a small margin, AN had horrible sales = declining figures.
Regardless of what label its on, you obviously have different musical tastes than me - which is why i don't hold your reviews in a high regard.
I take that as a compliment, thanks.
You completely sidestepped my question here. DO YOU THINK THIS ALBUM WILL BE BETTER THAN "THE INFAMOUS" OR "HELL ON EARTH" ? Both of these albums are widely regarded as classics, or if nothing else, MOBB's best work. What the fuck does the time frame in which they came have to do with ANYTHING? I'm not talking about if the feel of the album will have that 90's grimey feeling that these two had, i'm saying: Do you think this album will be held with the high regard that these two are?
Rhetorical question.
You're clearly asking a question, but it's not like you want to see another answer to it than the conclusion you've already made up in your mind.
Pretty good for a album not yet released.
You realize when you make this statement, that you are admitting they are taking this route strictly for the paper? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MUSICAL DIRECTION THEY ARE TAKING - NOT THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
Let me quote myself, since you still didn't get the point:
Mobb Deep been putting in work since the early 90's, did it pay off yet ??
Did dark grimey Murda Music put them in the limelight with a HUGE loyal fanbase and global airplay ? No x 4.
You want Infamous part 2 or Hell on Earth: The Sequel.
Mobb Deep doesn't want that, because they want to make money, end of story.
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The thing I've said before is, if you think Mobb Deep selling out is anything new, you're greatly mistaken. If Mobb Deep "sold out", they sold out when "Murda Muzik" came out and went Platinum - even though that album was still dark and fairly grimy, the crossover-directed refinements to the aesthetic were still obvious. I remember being quite dissapointed with the album when it first came out for that exact reason - though I eventually realized that maybe my expectations had just been too high. Much as I'd like to believe differently, the Mobb ain't ever gonna make an album like "The Infamous" or "Hell On Earth" again - and really, I wouldn't want them to. The game has changed since '95, and my expectations and tastes are much different from what they were back then. I'll admit I'd be pissed if the Mobb put out an entire album of songs like "Have A Party", but I know that's not gonna happen.
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Real talk.
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You realize when you make this statement, that you are admitting they are taking this route strictly for the paper? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MUSICAL DIRECTION THEY ARE TAKING - NOT THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
just stop man, jome is gonna anything g-unit affiliated. he'll probably even buy a lil scrappy cd now
I'll admit I'd be pissed if the Mobb put out an entire album of songs like "Have A Party", but I know that's not gonna happen.
lol aww how cute, you still have faith that g-unit is gonna come with somethin good. i lost hope after hearing yayo's album (i thought they would put out a street album to follow up with all his big shot talk).
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Don't have the figures for Infamy or AN.
Infamy did gold with a small margin, AN had horrible sales = declining figures.
Regardless of what label its on, you obviously have different musical tastes than me - which is why i don't hold your reviews in a high regard.
I take that as a compliment, thanks.
You completely sidestepped my question here. DO YOU THINK THIS ALBUM WILL BE BETTER THAN "THE INFAMOUS" OR "HELL ON EARTH" ? Both of these albums are widely regarded as classics, or if nothing else, MOBB's best work. What the fuck does the time frame in which they came have to do with ANYTHING? I'm not talking about if the feel of the album will have that 90's grimey feeling that these two had, i'm saying: Do you think this album will be held with the high regard that these two are?
Rhetorical question.
You're clearly asking a question, but it's not like you want to see another answer to it than the conclusion you've already made up in your mind.
Pretty good for a album not yet released.
You realize when you make this statement, that you are admitting they are taking this route strictly for the paper? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MUSICAL DIRECTION THEY ARE TAKING - NOT THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
Let me quote myself, since you still didn't get the point:
Mobb Deep been putting in work since the early 90's, did it pay off yet ??
Did dark grimey Murda Music put them in the limelight with a HUGE loyal fanbase and global airplay ? No x 4.
You want Infamous part 2 or Hell on Earth: The Sequel.
Mobb Deep doesn't want that, because they want to make money, end of story.
Maybe we'll just have to wait until the album drops before making all those speculations.. At the moment they're just promoting Mobb Deep with all party and club music, but that's the way gunit always works. We cant predict how the entire album is gonna be. Although i think 50 has a big influence and i think he'll tell Mobb Deep to do some love/club songs for better sales. After all it's 50 who'll have the most profit out of the new Mobb Deep album.
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just stop man, jome is gonna anything g-unit affiliated. he'll probably even buy a lil scrappy cd now
I'm gonna what?, I'm pretty sure you got more G-Unit CD's than me, and yet you're still on the G-Unot bandwagon, following the other sheep as usual. :tosser:
Yayo is wack, Olivia is wack, and Lil Scrappy is wack, but I bet you're having a Game-style change of heart now that Mase is on G-Unit. :o ::)
Maybe we'll just have to wait until the album drops before making all those speculations.. At the moment they're just promoting Mobb Deep with all party and club music, but that's the way gunit always works. We cant predict how the entire album is gonna be.
No shit ?
What is it that I'm telling these fools ? They're judging Mobb from 1 of the 15 tracks they put out, while I judge them from the 15 tracks they put out, go figure.
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Lol I cant believe how much some people hate 50 Cent.Its his own fault I guess.C'mon people the album aint even out yet.And somebody said that Mobb Deep is making party tracks.They made 2 out of 15,like Jome said.One of them was very dope(Outta Control remix),the other one is your average club song.Dont forget Game's How We Do which also had him and 50 saying G-Unit.But was the whole album like that?No.
And wake up people.Its not 93-96 anymore.Times have changed.
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Lol I cant believe how much some people hate 50 Cent.Its his own fault I guess.C'mon people the album aint even out yet.And somebody said that Mobb Deep is making party tracks.They made 2 out of 15,like Jome said.One of them was very dope(Outta Control remix),the other one is your average club song.Dont forget Game's How We Do which also had him and 50 saying G-Unit.But was the whole album like that?No.
And wake up people.Its not 93-96 anymore.Times have changed.
For real, these bitches are desperately hanging on to anything, any little detail that can be used to diss Mobb Deep, now that they've signed to G-Unit.
I bet they hold meetings in their cute little Myspace.com G-Unot groups (http://groups.myspace.com/ggggggggggggggunot) to discuss any insignificant bagatelle that they can blow up. Pathetic. :D
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I bet they hold meetings in their cute little Myspace.com G-Unot groups (http://groups.myspace.com/ggggggggggggggunot) to discuss any insignificant bagatelle that they can blow up. Pathetic. :D
Lmao wtf is this.Now thats pathetic.
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just stop man, jome is gonna anything g-unit affiliated. he'll probably even buy a lil scrappy cd now
I'm gonna what?, I'm pretty sure you got more G-Unit CD's than me, and yet you're still on the G-Unot bandwagon, following the other sheep as usual. :tosser:
Yayo is wack, Olivia is wack, and Lil Scrappy is wack, but I bet you're having a Game-style change of heart now that Mase is on G-Unit. :o ::)
lol when have i ever used to phrase "g-unOt" (besides now)? i gave every g-unit album a fair listen, its not my fault that their music doesnt live up to 50's big talk. so yeah you're partly right, the only g-unit album im lookin forward to is mase. because im a mase fan, and im not gonna stop likeing him just cuz he's on a horrible lable
ps: im sure you were listening to "Twist it" while typing that message ;D
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ps: im sure you were listening to "Twist it" while typing that message ;D
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lmao @ mauzip praising 50 @ g-unot myspace :P
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I thought Nate had fallen off, but he proved me wrong with "Black Mercedez" and "Real Soon"
yeah that and warren's shit, he's good at going with the tone and mood of the artist, that's all. i don't think nate is ever going to fall off.
offhand, i'm prolly gonna check mobb deep's shit -- outta control remix was dope, and i kinda like this song too.
but its still g g g g g g g g unot
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who gives a mad ass fuck if mobb deep be putting shit out like "have a party" that song is dope! newsflash...it aint 1995 or 1996 n e more...times change...rappers change.....why dont u fools change and get with mobb deep of 2006....they still deliver some grimey shit anyway! sure it aint like before but just dont compare there shit and maybe you'll enjoy it more.....just listen to the music and quit criticizing mobb deep or any other rappers that put different shit out....
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blood money is going to be one of there best albums
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The thing I've said before is, if you think Mobb Deep selling out is anything new, you're greatly mistaken. If Mobb Deep "sold out", they sold out when "Murda Muzik" came out and went Platinum - even though that album was still dark and fairly grimy, the crossover-directed refinements to the aesthetic were still obvious.
To me, that album had Mobb Deep selling out already. In my eyes, the Mobb died after 1997; anything they released after that hasn't been anywhere near my taste in music. Whether they're on G-Unit or not, they won't release good stuff anymore anyway. They might as well sell out some more and get that major cash from the teeny boppers pockets.
And somebody said that Mobb Deep is making party tracks.They made 2 out of 15,like Jome said.One of them was very dope(Outta Control remix),the other one is your average club song.
We're talking about mixtape cuts here, right? Anyone can tell mixtapes tell you NOTHING about what the actual album is going to sound like. Yes, them club songs were on retail releases. That should say enough. The retail releases had some "grimey" songs by other artists, but not from the Mobb. That should really ring a bell. Their album will most likely approach 50's when it comes to the pop-factor.
Dont forget Game's How We Do which also had him and 50 saying G-Unit.But was the whole album like that?No.
The Documentary was filled for 75% with tracks similar to How We Do. Face it. Even though the actual sound had some variety to it, some different styles added, some blending... It's all pop music, yet this is some of the better Hip-Pop around. Also, both 50 and Game mentioned G-Unit countless times on The Documentary...
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who gives a mad ass fuck if mobb deep be putting shit out like "have a party" that song is dope! newsflash...it aint 1995 or 1996 n e more...times change...rappers change.....why dont u fools change and get with mobb deep of 2006....they still deliver some grimey shit anyway! sure it aint like before but just dont compare there shit and maybe you'll enjoy it more.....just listen to the music and quit criticizing mobb deep or any other rappers that put different shit out....
thank you
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who gives a mad ass fuck if mobb deep be putting shit out like "have a party" that song is dope! newsflash...it aint 1995 or 1996 n e more...times change...rappers change.....why dont u fools change and get with mobb deep of 2006....they still deliver some grimey shit anyway! sure it aint like before but just dont compare there shit and maybe you'll enjoy it more.....just listen to the music and quit criticizing mobb deep or any other rappers that put different shit out....
word.
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who gives a mad ass fuck if mobb deep be putting shit out like "have a party" that song is dope! newsflash...it aint 1995 or 1996 n e more...times change...rappers change.....why dont u fools change and get with mobb deep of 2006....they still deliver some grimey shit anyway! sure it aint like before but just dont compare there shit and maybe you'll enjoy it more.....just listen to the music and quit criticizing mobb deep or any other rappers that put different shit out....
So because it's 2006 we should be a lot more accepting of bubblegum rap? Nobody's saying it needs to have the same sound as back then. Don't try to make it sound like they're still being innovative by putting 50 and G-Unit all over their tracks cause thats a fuckin joke. They're just trying to push more units which is great from a business standpoint, but sucks from an artistic standpoint. Shit, Mobb Deep should put Britney Spears on their shit. How about Justin Timberlake?
I didn't pick up Snoop's last two albums because he's decided he's gonna go with singles produced by the Neptunes only. And i think the Neptunes have done some slick ass work (i love the Clipse). But it's the same principal - i'm not going to condone this trend in hip-hop that says "hey, whoever is at the top of the album sales this week is who is gonna be on my record". How about not following every fucking trend that comes out? Do you people not feel like mainstream hip hop is incredibly watered down? I sure as hell do - and it wasn't always that way.
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So because it's 2006 we should be a lot more accepting of bubblegum rap? Nobody's saying it needs to have the same sound as back then. Don't try to make it sound like they're still being innovative by putting 50 and G-Unit all over their tracks cause thats a fuckin joke. They're just trying to push more units which is great from a business standpoint, but sucks from an artistic standpoint. Shit, Mobb Deep should put Britney Spears on their shit. How about Justin Timberlake?
Since when does everything 50 and G-Unit do = pop? That's not to say they don't make pop rap, but that's sure as hell not the ONLY shit they do - G-Unit can be gutter when they want to be (and they have been).
I didn't pick up Snoop's last two albums because he's decided he's gonna go with singles produced by the Neptunes only. And i think the Neptunes have done some slick ass work (i love the Clipse). But it's the same principal - i'm not going to condone this trend in hip-hop that says "hey, whoever is at the top of the album sales this week is who is gonna be on my record". How about not following every fucking trend that comes out? Do you people not feel like mainstream hip hop is incredibly watered down? I sure as hell do - and it wasn't always that way.
Hate to break it to you, but in the rap game, that's how you stay relevent. That's what distinguishes the artists who have 2-year careers from the artists who have careers spanning decades - and Snoop is a poster boy for this. In 1993, Dr. Dre and the G-Funk style WAS at the top - that was what was pop, what the mainstream was embracing. And Snoop has ALWAYS been a pop-gangsta since his career began - he was back then, and he still is now. The reason why Snoop is one of the most successful rappers ever (with a career spanning almost 15 years now) is because unlike too many other cats, he's shown a knack for adapting to the times. That's why he still sells Platinum with every release while his homies (Daz, Kurupt, and Warren G, among others) are nothing but has-been dinosaurs of the G-Funk era (and yet they still probably continue to delude themselves that they're just "keeping it real" and refusing to go pop, even though they WERE considered pop back in their day).
And yeah, you're right that mainstream rap wasn't always watered down, but it sure as hell was by the time Snoop came out - if anything, "The Chronic" is pretty much THE album that watered down gangsta/hardcore rap so that pop audiences would embrace it, and both Snoop and Dre were key figures in this shift (we recently talked about this in a thread I made...check it out).
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Since when does everything 50 and G-Unit do = pop? That's not to say they don't make pop rap, but that's sure as hell not the ONLY shit they do - G-Unit can be gutter when they want to be (and they have been).
You're right - Candy Shop and Just a Lil Bit were some gutter ass songs. I'm playin, and i understand your point. You and I both know those songs are made because there is an audience for that music. Typically either female, teeny bop, or the most casual of listeners (ie non music critic). Why is it that a lot of cats (especially in this thread) give niggas a pass when they drop shit like this? This shit don't happen in other genres. You never had people like "Well Pink Floyd (or Public Enemy, the Beatles, Rage Against the Machine, Living Colour, Jimi Hendrix, insert a credible musician) dropped a pussy ass single, but that was just to exploit people that don't know better, and they got paid so i ain't trippin". What the fuck is this? REAL music is artistic expression that doesn't compromise and pander to an audience. For some reason people find that acceptable in hip-hop. Thats really on an uncle tom type tip to be honest.
Hate to break it to you, but in the rap game, that's how you stay relevent. That's what distinguishes the artists who have 2-year careers from the artists who have careers spanning decades - and Snoop is a poster boy for this. In 1993, Dr. Dre and the G-Funk style WAS at the top - that was what was pop, what the mainstream was embracing. And Snoop has ALWAYS been a pop-gangsta since his career began - he was back then, and he still is now. The reason why Snoop is one of the most successful rappers ever (with a career spanning almost 15 years now) is because unlike too many other cats, he's shown a knack for adapting to the times. That's why he still sells Platinum with every release while his homies (Daz, Kurupt, and Warren G, among others) are nothing but has-been dinosaurs of the G-Funk era (and yet they still probably continue to delude themselves that they're just "keeping it real" and refusing to go pop, even though they WERE considered pop back in their day).
Really? Thats the way they stay relevant huh? Whats your definition of relevant though? Do you mean sales wise or relevant from an artistic standpoint? And by stating that the only reason Dre and Snoop were successful because they were pop gangsta's is funny to me. By this admission, why wasn't every album that was dropped by a gangsta rapper going 5x plat? Surely you realize there was obviously distinguishing features that seperated the innovators from the imitators? Dre hasn't had his success because he "tries to stay relevant" - he has success because he is a musical genius which trandscends and trend going on at the time. Just because he curses isn't the reason he's one of the greatest to ever do it. As for the "dinosaurs", the problem really isn't that they refuse to "stay relevant" (in my terms "sell out), it's that they sound really generic. Those guys were all "Scottie Pippen" to Dre's "Michael Jordan". Back in the early / mid 90's you could argue that Daz, Kurupt, and even Warren G were bona fide gods. Maybe top 50 to ever do it. Fast forward a few years and all the sudden everybody is like "Damn, them niggas fell off". No they didn't, its just that they ain't playin with Jordan anymore - simple and plain.
And yeah, you're right that mainstream rap wasn't always watered down, but it sure as hell was by the time Snoop came out - if anything, "The Chronic" is pretty much THE album that watered down gangsta/hardcore rap so that pop audiences would embrace it, and both Snoop and Dre were key figures in this shift (we recently talked about this in a thread I made...check it out).
You think the mainstream hip-hop was watered down at this point? This era is widely regarded as the golden age of hip hop. A time when music was extremely competitive and some of the greatest albums EVER released. And I did read your thread about if The Chronic had a negative impact on hip-hop (if thats the one you're talking about). To me, thats just a "Yin and Yang" arguement. I could argue that any critically acclaimed album was actually negative for it's genre. If this is your arguement, you ought to not start with The Chronic. Look at the Sugar Hill Gang (sampling "Good Times" - lead to Puff jacking every 80's beat), Paid in Full (fault Rakim for revolutionizing the MC). These obviously had a bigger impact than the Chronic. Should we say these had a negative impact as well?
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You're right - Candy Shop and Just a Lil Bit were some gutter ass songs. I'm playin, and i understand your point. You and I both know those songs are made because there is an audience for that music. Typically either female, teeny bop, or the most casual of listeners (ie non music critic). Why is it that a lot of cats (especially in this thread) give niggas a pass when they drop shit like this? This shit don't happen in other genres. You never had people like "Well Pink Floyd (or Public Enemy, the Beatles, Rage Against the Machine, Living Colour, Jimi Hendrix, insert a credible musician) dropped a pussy ass single, but that was just to exploit people that don't know better, and they got paid so i ain't trippin". What the fuck is this? REAL music is artistic expression that doesn't compromise and pander to an audience. For some reason people find that acceptable in hip-hop. Thats really on an uncle tom type tip to be honest.
I've actually said before that yeah, in general, I think most rappers who are willing to put out degrading stereotypes of their own people so that they can make money are "Uncle Toms", and this includes both pop-rappers and a number of rappers I listen to - I've often said that almost anyone who's "gangsta" is selling out, if you think about it.
On the other, complaining about certain rappers for putting out music that you don't like is counter-productive anyway. The hip-hop community tends to make scapegoats out of its most popular artists (50 being one of the best examples right now), but that's not going to do shit. I always hear muh'fuckas asking, "Why doesn't Talib or Mos Def or Common actually call 50 or Ludacris by name and condemn them for putting out negative music?" Because you can't beat all the 50 Cents and Ludacris' in the world unless you get at the source - these white-owned major labels that refuse to play anything that doesn't appeal to broad audiences of white folks. Unless you deal with them, a new 50 Cent will arise for every one that gets disgraced and run out of hip-hop. It's just like what KRS was doing with Nelly a few years back - he figured he was doing hip-hop a service by beefing with a pop-rapper who was perceived as a "sellout", when he really wasn't doing shit.
Oh, yeah, and rock doesn't give "sellouts" free passes necesarily, either. Look at how much shit people gave James Taylor when he first came out, because his lyrics were introspective in an era where rock was supposed to be revolutionary and focused on the greater good (not the self). Punkers also tend to lambast their so-called sellouts (Blink-182 is pretty much to punk what 50 is to rap).
Really? Thats the way they stay relevant huh? Whats your definition of relevant though? Do you mean sales wise or relevant from an artistic standpoint?
Either one, usually both at the same time. I think that if an artist refuses to let their music mature and re-invent themselves, nobody's going to care about them...there's a point where even their fans will get sick of them putting out the same type of shit over and over. If you ain't contributing anything new to the game, you ain't relevent anymore. Sales aren't necesarily a reflection of this (since the public isn't necesarily smart), but in general, I think it's often fair to say that if a certain artist finds their sales declining over the years, that's because they're not finding a way to stay relevent in the ever-changing hip-hop scene.
And by stating that the only reason Dre and Snoop were successful because they were pop gangsta's is funny to me. By this admission, why wasn't every album that was dropped by a gangsta rapper going 5x plat? Surely you realize there was obviously distinguishing features that seperated the innovators from the imitators?
That's not what I said...I simply said that Snoop was successful initially because in '93, Dre was one of the most popular producers in hip-hop - but yeah, he and Snoop were popular because they gave the public what it wanted: Gangsta rap that had a party vibe to it. And yeah, they were GOOD at it - which is why they went multi-Platinum while many of their imitators didn't. The last sentence is exactly what I was trying to say earlier.
Dre hasn't had his success because he "tries to stay relevant" - he has success because he is a musical genius which trandscends and trend going on at the time. Just because he curses isn't the reason he's one of the greatest to ever do it.
You're kidding yourself if you think Dre hasn't tried to stay relevent before - when he put out "The Aftermath", it was a commercial dissapointment because he'd failed to properly update his style and the public was getting tired of it. He reinvented himself with "2001" and Eminem's albums. Yeah, Dre may be a genius, but that doesn't mean he's never had his low points - in '96, everyone was writing him off as a has-been, and he worked damn hard to make himself relevent again.
As for the "dinosaurs", the problem really isn't that they refuse to "stay relevant" (in my terms "sell out), it's that they sound really generic. Those guys were all "Scottie Pippen" to Dre's "Michael Jordan". Back in the early / mid 90's you could argue that Daz, Kurupt, and even Warren G were bona fide gods. Maybe top 50 to ever do it. Fast forward a few years and all the sudden everybody is like "Damn, them niggas fell off". No they didn't, its just that they ain't playin with Jordan anymore - simple and plain.
Neither "Dogg Food" nor "Regulate" had Dre produce a single track, and "Regulate" wasn't even a Death Row release (it came out on Def Jam).
Their appearances on "The Chronic" certainly helped them gain attention, but the reason that DPG and Warren G were successful back then is because the style of music they did (G-Funk) was extremely popular at the time, and that helped them go multi-Platinum. But when the G-Funk era ended (as it did in '96), so did their careers. That wouldn't be a problem if they reinvented themselves, but the problem is that those cats are still making the exact same kind of music they were making 10 years ago, and most people can't be bothered to care. That's not to say the music is bad - it just doesn't reflect growth, and it's the "same ol, same ol", so it's not pushing artistic boundaries and thus, not relevent to today.
Besides, what about Snoop? He still works with both DPG and Warren G regularly, yet even when he, Warren, and Nate reunited for the 213 album, it failed to take off. Why? Because they chose to do a played-out style of music that not many people listen to anymore. In comparison, Snoop's "R&G" album was quite successful because it was updated for the times.
You think the mainstream hip-hop was watered down at this point? This era is widely regarded as the golden age of hip hop. A time when music was extremely competitive and some of the greatest albums EVER released. And I did read your thread about if The Chronic had a negative impact on hip-hop (if thats the one you're talking about). To me, thats just a "Yin and Yang" arguement. I could argue that any critically acclaimed album was actually negative for it's genre. If this is your arguement, you ought to not start with The Chronic. Look at the Sugar Hill Gang (sampling "Good Times" - lead to Puff jacking every 80's beat), Paid in Full (fault Rakim for revolutionizing the MC). These obviously had a bigger impact than the Chronic. Should we say these had a negative impact as well?
"The Chronic" was most definitely NOT from the "Golden Age" - if anything, it was the album that ENDED the Golden Age. "The Chronic" started a new era - the West Coast gangsta (G-Funk) era, the one in which the West Coast was on top for a period of about 4 years (1992 to 1996) and when everyone outside of the West hated G-Funk as much as everyone outside of the South hates Crunk today. With a few exceptions (N.W.A., Ice-T, and Geto Boys), I would generally not classify gangsta rappers as part of the "Golden Age". The Golden Age was all about "my Adidas", Afrocentrism, and "parents just don't understand" - that's the era in which I first started listening to hip-hop, so it's hard for me to put anything after '92 into it.
And your "Yin and Yang" argument makes no fucking sense here. There's a point where you can reach extremism in trying to make such comparisons, which is definitely the case there. The simple fact is, "The Chronic" is the album that moved gangsta rap completely into the mainstream and began the cracker's infatuation with gangsterism that continues to this day, and once it did, almost no other artist with any other type of message could hope to gain exposure.
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You both get a prop.I agree with Eihtball though.
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So because it's 2006 we should be a lot more accepting of bubblegum rap? Nobody's saying it needs to have the same sound as back then. Don't try to make it sound like they're still being innovative by putting 50 and G-Unit all over their tracks cause thats a fuckin joke. They're just trying to push more units which is great from a business standpoint, but sucks from an artistic standpoint. Shit, Mobb Deep should put Britney Spears on their shit. How about Justin Timberlake?
I didn't pick up Snoop's last two albums because he's decided he's gonna go with singles produced by the Neptunes only. And i think the Neptunes have done some slick ass work (i love the Clipse). But it's the same principal - i'm not going to condone this trend in hip-hop that says "hey, whoever is at the top of the album sales this week is who is gonna be on my record". How about not following every fucking trend that comes out? Do you people not feel like mainstream hip hop is incredibly watered down? I sure as hell do - and it wasn't always that way.
its a wrap!