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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Kassem on January 09, 2006, 07:26:34 AM
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RAFAH, Gaza Strip - Hundreds of angry Palestinians streamed into Egypt on Wednesday after militants with stolen bulldozers broke through a border wall, and two Egyptian troops were killed and 30 were wounded by gunfire in the rampage.
About 3,000 Egyptian Interior Ministry troops who initially had no orders to fire swarmed the border but were forced to withdraw about a half-mile, said security forces Lt. Sameh el-Antablyan, who announced the casualties.
The scene was one of utter chaos. An Egyptian armored vehicle was burning and hundreds of Palestinians could be seen crouched in farm fields just inside Egypt.
The rampage began late Tuesday, after Palestinian intelligence arrested Alaa al-Hams, an Al Aqsa militant, on suspicion he and his followers kidnapped human rights activist Kate Burton and her parents for two days last week.
This doesn't look good at all. Until when should we Egyptians bear the responsibility and the costs of other people's wars? My message to the Palestinians: you want a state and you got a mini state in Gaza. Look what some of you are doing even in this tiny strip. and it ain't isreal fault this time.
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oh shit
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how can i move it
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:'( you made me think :'(
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mods have to move it
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"This doesn't look good at all. Until when should we Egyptians bear the responsibility and the costs of other people's wars? My message to the Palestinians: you want a state and you got a mini state in Gaza. Look what some of you are doing even in this tiny strip. and it ain't isreal fault this time."
lebanon is also a prime example of a country paying for other ppls wars , although arab nationalists will tell u the palestinian cause is every arabs' war or some bullshit like that.
As for the palestinians and their PLO , let's look at their history:
-PLO is in Jordan gets kicked out in bloodbath
-PLO is in lebanon , cause war , lose 10000s in war against the lebanese muslims and christians and get kicked out by the israelis (although now "peace for galilee" is regarded as a failure for various reasons)
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Well now that they are doing it to Egypt suddenly it's their problem. This is a great example of finger pointing. What Egypt is geting a taste of right now is what Israel had been facing for years now. Hey, they are part of the Arab nation man, why can't they go to Egypt..After the partition plan the Arab world encouraged Palestinians to leave their land, so what happened now?... What they are doing in their tiny strip indeed indicates what they would do if they had a greater state, I agree.
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Well now that they are doing it to Egypt suddenly it's their problem. This is a great example of finger pointing. What Egypt is geting a taste of right now is what Israel had been facing for years now. Hey, they are part of the Arab nation man, why can't they go to Egypt..After the partition plan the Arab world encouraged Palestinians to leave their land, so what happened now?... What they are doing in their tiny strip indeed indicates what they would do if they had a greater state, I agree.
Well the differnence is that we aren't occuping their land,killing a lot of them every few days and all the shit u do to them.
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Aren't you? Why don't you let a faction of the Arab nation live on Arab Land? The Arab world possesses many underpopulated ereas why not then? You seem to be generous at the expense of others...Israel returned Sinai to Egypt give something back aside from pseudo-peace.... Some of these Arabs are descendants of those that were forced to leave their land because of your country, why not take some responsibility.
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ok so u take the land and we back up and leave,cool so if u have taken egypt all arab egyption should move to saudi and so on.lol,palestians have a right to the land in palestine,that why they are called palestians
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ok by ur logic it would be ok for britain to just annex half of france cos we're over populated and they've got plenty of land to spare....
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or maybe we shud just kick out the jews cos we're a christian country even tho jews have been here for hundreds of years
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or maybe we shud just kick out the jews cos we're a christian country even tho jews have been here for hundreds of years
Don Rizzle you got the analogy all twisted man... it should be: The Jews kicking you off your land, making it a Jewish nation, and then telling you that you can't come back. LOLLL... Zionism... gotta love it.
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If Palestinians have claim to the land why did Egypt help to drive them out, and then, when failed in eliminating Israel, Egypt didn't compensate for their loss?
Don, by my logic when you promiss someone to improve his life, through cooperation with you, and due to your actions his life deteriorates, you ought to compensate for his loss, especially when you know that your promiss was fake and was made only to serve your own interest.
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Don't make me explain now why the land is called Palestine and why they are called Palestinians. If you need a history lesson read some of my older posts.
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If Palestinians have claim to the land
Wait let me get this straight.... you are questioning the Palestinian claim to the land when they were living there at the time of the Zionists' arrival, but you assert that some motherfuckers from Europe have claimto it based on the fact that people of their religion lived there thousands of years ago? LOL
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I'm not questioning anything. I'm simply addressing his statement. As you know Zionists had no problem with the idea of a Palestinian state in 47, Egypt among other Arab states did.
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I'm not questioning anything. I'm simply addressing his statement. As you know Zionists had no problem with the idea of a Palestinian state in 47, Egypt among other Arab states did.
Why would Zionists have a problem with a Palestinian state? It's PALESTINIAN LAND. LOL. They have no right to have "a problem" with it. They just wanted to steal some of it for themselves, which they did... now all of a sudden people make it seem like Israel is doing the Palestinians a FAVOR by giving them the Gaza Strip BACK.
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If Isreal didn't have a problem with a palestianin state their would be a palastienen state,its simple leave gaza and west bank,make a state.u have the power top bomb place invade most of palestine but can't create peace ,shut the fuck up man.isreal is just stealing time to built more settlements in the west bak tell it's jewish
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Israel didn't have a problem...Egypt did in 1947...Now all of a sudden it's all about West Bank and Gaza. Man they could've had much more than this if it wasn't for the Arab World. When Egypt had Gaza and Jordan had West Bank why weren't the Palestinians granted with a state if it's all there is to it?...lol...you people are so funny.
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it was a different world back then, there weren't many independent nations outside of europe
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Man they could've had much more than this if it wasn't for the Arab World.
That's what's fucked up about the Zionists' mentality. They think they're doing Palestinians a favor by giving them back a PORTION of THEIR LAND.
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After their own nation refused to give them a portion of their land Israel should think of it as of a favour.
LOL....In reality Israel is the only state in the middle east that had truely recognized the Palestinian self-determination. Not just formally.
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After their own nation refused to give them a portion of their land Israel should think of it as of a favour.
LOL....In reality Israel is the only state in the middle east that had truely recognized the Palestinian self-determination. Not just formally.
Israel is doing the Palestinians a favor by giving the Palestinians back a portion of THEIR (Palestinian) land?
I guess the Europeans were doing the Native Americans a favor by allowing them to live in territories on THEIR land.
LOL.. thanks for that
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lol @ Arab Nation
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After in 47-49 they were expelled and removed from this land by their own nation to serve some unrealistic pseudo-cause of Pan-Arabism?- You bet ya asses it's a favour. Israel could've just as easily claimed that the Arab States should be the ones to compensate for their actions. No one could expect of Egypt and Jordan to grant the Palestinians a state or even an Autonomy before 67, doesn't it smell fishy to you?
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After in 47-49 they were expelled and removed from this land by their own nation to serve some unrealistic pseudo-cause of Pan-Arabism?- You bet ya asses it's a favour. Israel could've just as easily claimed that the Arab States should be the ones to compensate for their actions. No one could expect of Egypt and Jordan to grant the Palestinians a state or even an Autonomy before 67, doesn't it smell fishy to you?
It's a favor to give back a portion of stolen land? LOL. You've lost it.
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Since the land was stolen from them by the Arab States and was offered back to them by Israel, yea.
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Since the land was stolen from them by the Arab States and was offered back to them by Israel, yea.
Although the land wasn't even stolen by Arab states... the fact that you believe that, automatically makes you admit that Israel's action = STEALING LAND. Thank You.
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Yea, Jordan? Egypt?...The fact those were the Arab States that called for Palestinian exodus in 47-49.
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As long as we both know that Israel drove the Palestinians off their land.
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It had nothing to do with wondering preachers telling horror stories to villagers?
It had nothing to do with Arab States calling for the exodus of Palestinians?
It had nothing to do with most Palestinians agreeing to leave despite the majority of the territory was granted to them? Despite Jewish attempts to make them stay?
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It had nothing to do with wondering preachers telling horror stories to villagers?
It had nothing to do with Arab States calling for the exodus of Palestinians?
It had nothing to do with most Palestinians agreeing to leave despite the majority of the territory was granted to them? Despite Jewish attempts to make them stay?
It had nothing to do with Europeans coming to establish their country on a land where there were already Palestinian people living?
It had nothing to do with those Europeans carrying out attacks and massacres?
Let's not forget.... who was living on the land and who was the colonizer.
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I don't intend to front.. but I have to ask this.
Why do you even care man.. he has a different opinion. It's not like he doesn't know why you think the way you think, and you don't know why he thinks the way he thinks. Both made clear why they got their respective attitude towards that topic about a hundred times, and that's not even an exaggeration. So, what's the point? If someone thinks blue is the same color as purple, no matter how many examples, facts, quotes and whatever you provide to dis-prove it, why would you keep it up? You have to let it go. Let go.
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I don't intend to front.. but I have to ask this.
Why do you even care man.. he has a different opinion. It's not like he doesn't know why you think the way you think, and you don't know why he thinks the way he thinks. Both made clear why they got their respective attitude towards that topic about a hundred times, and that's not even an exaggeration. So, what's the point? If someone thinks blue is the same color as purple, no matter how many examples, facts, quotes and whatever you provide to dis-prove it, why would you keep it up? You have to let it go. Let go.
You're right. If he refuses to accept facts, and would rather rely on lies, there's nothing I can do about it.
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lol@Europeans.
Hard time adjusting to the word "Jews", I see. You can't even admit that those Jews who came to seek refuge from anti-semitism, needed it. By calling them Europeans you're trying to link European Jews to European colonizers, like those who came to America due to imperialistic aspirations. This is loughable. If anything the Arab inhabitants of Eretes Yisrael ended up on this land due to Arab imperialism a few centuries earlier. Jews is among the few peoples to whom a national home was a mean of survival, having nothing to do with imperialistic colonization.
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lol@Europeans.
Hard time adjusting to the word "Jews", I see. You can't even admit that those Jews who came to seek refuge from anti-semitism, needed it. By calling them Europeans you're trying to link European Jews to European colonizers, like those who came to America due to imperialistic aspirations. This is loughable. If anything the Arab inhabitants of Eretes Yisrael ended up on this land due to Arab imperialism a few centuries earlier. Jews is among the few peoples to whom a national home was a mean of survival, having nothing to do with imperialistic colonization.
Are you denying that they were Europeans?
What does anti-Semitism in Europe have to do with the Palestinians? There is no way to justify the actions of the Zionist terrorists.
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What does anti-semitism have to do with Arabs?
Let's say you live in a dumpster with two more homeless people. One day you stick your head out of it and you see this guy running toward you. Behind the guy you see a gang of like 5 people with knifes chasing him. You've got two choices: 1. Let him hide in your dumpster 2. Shut the lid and let him get killed.
I'm not even mentioning a third option: Finding a knife in your dumpster and helping them kill the poor fella :)
Through rejection of the Jewish people Palestinian Arabs didn't only endanger the survival of the Jewish people in a world filled with anti-semitism, but they have also endangered, through terrorism, the lifes of Jewish people who came to seek refuge. At the same time they've also ruined their own chances for liberation.
P.S Europeans is one thing- they haven't been persecuted nor discriminated the way European Jews have been, throughout the centuries. Zionists=Jews, Jews who wanted to found a refuge state from anti-semitism, Are you denying they were Jews? Are you denying their need for a national refuge from anti-semitism, that hunted them due to their national characteristics?..
Of course, if you omit the unimportant FACT they were Jews, then you've got yourself a nice propaganda based theory about European Imperialism. :)....It's interesting that Europe would disagree with you as for Israel being it's middle eastern branch. I wonder if the British mandate that was so often obstructed by Zionists would agree...lol.
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What does anti-semitism have to do with Arabs?
Let's say you live in a dumpster with two more homeless people. One day you stick your head out of it and you see this guy running toward you. Behind the guy you see a gang of like 5 people with knifes chasing him. You've got two choices: 1. Let him hide in your dumpster 2. Shut the lid and let him get killed.
I'm not even mentioning a third option: Finding a knife in your dumpster and helping them kill the poor fella :)
Through rejection of the Jewish people Palestinian Arabs didn't only endanger the survival of the Jewish people in a world filled with anti-semitism, but they have also endangered, through terrorism, the lifes of Jewish people who came to seek refuge. At the same time they've also ruined their own chances for liberation.
Why should Palestinians be killed and have their land taken away for what happened to the Jews in Europe? You think one group should suffer just because another did?
Rejection of Jewish people? LOLL they came, took the land, didn't allow the Palestinians to return, and you're talking about rejection?
P.S Europeans is one thing- they haven't been persecuted nor discriminated the way European Jews have been, throughout the centuries. Zionists=Jews, Jews who wanted to found a refuge state from anti-semitism, Are you denying they were Jews? Are you denying their need for a national refuge from anti-semitism, that hunted them due to their national characteristics?..
Of course, if you omit the unimportant FACT they were Jews, then you've got yourself a nice propaganda based theory about European Imperialism. :)....It's interesting that Europe would disagree with you as for Israel being it's middle eastern branch. I wonder if the British mandate that was so often obstructed by Zionists would agree...lol.
They were Jews... European Jews. However, the fact that they faced anti-Semitism in Europe doesn't justify them kicking people off their land to establish their own country and then not allow those people to return. You may feel that's justified, I don't.
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A few hundreds of thousands vouluntarily leaving land=LAND TAKEN FROM THEM???
Im sorry,
Honsetly how dumb are you man?
Jews didn't come to kick anyone of the land, in fact, Jewish settlers have been attacked first(1919). Before there was any confrontation with the locals.The Sudden Appearance in 1919 of a militant Arab "movement.". The Jewish settlers needed to defend themselves from Arab hostility, had there been no Arab hostility first, your claim could've been grounded. Historically, there had been Arab hostility in the begining of this conflict, point blank. You can't deny facts.
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^^^msguided analogy there was already much talk of the creation of a jewish state on that land at the time!