Where would Daz be without Snoop.  If Snoop woulda left his ass in Oklahoma. 

...I know ya'll love Dogg Food, everyone loves it, great, classic, flawless album.  But did you know that shit only went platinum cause people thought it was Snoop's group?  My brother still doesn't know who Daz and Kurupt are.   But everyone knows who Snoop is.  That shit sold cause of Snoop.

That doesn't give Snoop the right to take Daz shit, but Daz should be more careful and greatful to his big cousins.  Why can't he just say,

"I love Snoop and I owe my career to him, and that's my big cousin.  But I can't give over my shit.  That's my ownership and I don't want to sell. So with all the love and respect I have to say no."

while i'm not a fan of games antics..

he had a few mainstream hits and can definitely rap .. documentary was a number 1 album and went multi-platinum .. same with doctors advocate .. LAX debuted at number 2 on billboard charts and the red album had him back at number 1

let's not pretend he's some obscure underground artist here .. might nota been a global icon like 50, but saying he was never mainstream is a stretch

Game had 2 dope albums.  1 album Dre did everything for him.  He had Dre and G-Unit behind him, and G-Unit was the hottest shit out in that era.  So Game was dope, but he also had the best behind him which made it so polished.

Then he was able to do it all again with his second album, and do it without Dre and without G-Unit.  So that's why he's got an argument here.

...but Cube changed the whole industry with NWA.  Then Cube changed the game yet again when he went solo, and Game will never have a song as big as "Today Was a Good Day" is objectively speaking one of the top 10 Hip-Hop joints of all rhyme.

...Then Cube changed the game again when he linked with WC and Mack for "Curb Swervin", "Westside Slaughterhouse" and then the mega monster it "BOW DOWN". 

"BOW DOWN" alone by itself destroys Games career

"Straight outta Compton" alone by itself destroys Games career

"Today was a Good Day" by itself alone destroys Games career

.....shit, game don't even have a song as dope as Cube's lesser known hits like "Push Rhymes Like Weight" or "Bop Gun" are still better than the best Game joint

Why is Snoop saying Daz is broke, it seems he's one of the richest in the game

OUT, time to check it out

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Wait for new Nas + DJ Premier

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All I can say is it's great to see Pac was right all along.  Going back and listening to his songs dissing Puffy, I thought some were a little harsh, but nope, Pac was on point about Puffy even back in 96.  While everyone else was dancing and loving the 'shiny suit man'... Pac saw right through the facade.

The Doc also makes Suge look good.  Over the years it's just became more and more clear like Suges MO of how he made it to the top.  He had a clear strategy that really worked in that era.

It's like he was working as a bodyguard security and had this big ephiphany:

Suge's head in 1991:

"Wait a second.. Nicca I'm from Compton.  Look at this fool Vanilla Ice acting like he from the hood and shit.  Let's see how gangsta he really is.  I bet I could punk that fool out of a few million.  And look at these CEO's out East like Andre Harrel.  That fool ain't no gangsta.  Every artist say that they getting jerked in the industry.  Why don't I holler at him about Jodeci and Mary J., flex my muscle a bit.  These cats wanna be gangsta, let me show them some real gangsta shit, and I can extort their asses, either give up some shit or else."

And you see he's still running the extortion racket to this day.  He's still hollering at all types from Akon, to JD (saying JD owe him over Bow Wow) and then seeing what he can get.



^^There's a lot of fascinating info in this interview right here.  Like let's just take Jodeci for a moment.  These cats KC & JoJo, no wonder they are my favorite R&B artists of all time, these cats were like in the center of everything.  They don't talk much, they just sing, and party, and drink, and family, ladies, they aren't really into interviews and analyzing, and rehashing old stories, but they could probably tell all.

Because it comes more clear that basically the East/West BEEF ACTUALLY STARTED OVER JODECI!!  Which is why it's so interesting that Puffy was behind them blowing up as artists and then at the height of Pac's fame summer 96' Suge had brought them under the Death Row umbrella "How Do You Want" blew up the summer and the B side of the single was "Hit Um UP!!!!"

Interesting story and new details in this about Jake dying.  But basically Suge wanted to holler at Jodeci and Mary J's label about their contracts.  And Puffy sent Suge off to holler at this person and that person, but those people were like, "Talk to Puff'.  So Suge showed back up at that JD party in Atlanta with Jake iike,

"Why did you send me to put a foot in the ass of this person and that person, when really you was the one holdin the cards on Mary and Jodeci"

^^The drama kicks off with Jake and one of the girls boyfriends, associates of Puff, next thing you know this is all culminating in Jake getting shot by Puff's homie and Suge has Puffy in a chokehold hollerin'

"NAW PUFF, TELL YOUR KIDS IT'S GONNA BE ALRIGHT, TELL YO MAMA IT GONNA BE ALRIGHT!  IT AIN"T GONNA BE ALRIGHT PUFF"

...and thus the EAST COAST WEST COAST WAR begins

Definitely the hottest shit out and most this forum still posting about Daz and his 25 albums he’s dropped and how he’s mad at snoop again.

Sccit hasn’t even seen this yet because he’s busy watching new Tim Robinson shows

I kinda always knew puffy was this guy. I think mst of us who have been paying attention kinda already knew. But this is just confirming what we already knew. Puff is the ultimate villain. This is his origin story. The puffy autobiographical movie has potential to be epic. He wanted to be like Suge and Death Row. He wanted PAC but couldn’t have him. So what did he do? He took them down copied them and made his empire even bigger. Epic

All true what you said, even the shit about Sccit, lol (though Sccit brought you in here, I made this thread a while back and nobody commenting)

But even then you guys act like it's easy.

Okay, so Puffy just copied people.  Fine, then copy someone and make your shit as big as Puffy's was. 

Second, you guys say ahhh Puffy was a wannabe gangsta and all this shit.  Fine, then if that's the case then what does he need to do to prove his stripes on the streetz?  Does he need to kill someone, check.  Does he need to back hand some bitches, check.   Does he need to muscle up on some dudes to show he's the alpha, check.  Does he need to flash cash, drugs, money laundering, under surveillance, check, check, check, and check.

AOTY contender!

Wait for new Nas + DJ Premier

Hottest show on Netflix, a good hip-hop doc, great seeing ol school NY and the rise and fall of of Bad-Boy records.

Exactly.   It was great seeing another intimate look at the ol school NY hip-hop moving into the golden age of rap in the 90's.

I think you are being a little harsh on Diddy.  Because you said he wasn't shit in music or on the streets.  Check the stats:

Music:

- used his talents as a dancer to break in the industry, innovative and talented dancer set trends, cutting edge
- was the mastermind behind Jodeci, the dopest R&B group in history, and a group hip-hop headz, R&B fans, men, and ladies could agree on
- Mary J. Blige was considered the queen of hip-hop and R&B and Puffy shaped her style and sound as well
- Made Craig Mack, an uninspiring, low charisma, bad looking, rapper into a platinum artist off the strength of one good single
- Took a fat, greasy, Biggie and turned him into a ladies man and mega all time great star
- After Pac died Death Row didn't do shit to commemorate him.  They had the whole world singing for Biggie and Bad Boy took over the industry after Big died
- Look at Mase before and after Puffy he wasn't shit.  Puff took a lazy, monotone rapper and made this dude the biggest star in rap when Harlem World dropped
- remix, after remix, Puff was blowing up so many tracks and artist, all the hot shit on the radio for quite a run
- "Notorious Thugs" and "Breakdown" Mariah Carrey, Puff was a mastermind putting both of those joints together

then if we just did a run down of all the tracks that Puffy played a role in, from either the style/dress/visuals/music video/stage performance, or tracks he A&R'd like putting the artists together, or actually producing, he was the one putting the foot in the ass of the Hitman and other producers and musicians till the shit came out right, a lot like what Dre has done.

The guy is a musical genius.  Like listen to some joints that weren't even really big hits.  Like, check this shit out here it is fuccin FIRE!!  And this was after his prime run from 94-98.   He got Flava Flav and Hurricane G up in there, he took some shit PE did and Rampage did and look at the visuals with the video, how he takes it back to the hood on the last verse. Puff knew how to put shit together right.



Now to his stats in the streetz

- Father was a for real hustler Pimp
- Sounds like his mom was a hoe
- So this dude was in the streets before he ever started even talking because his parents were heavy in the game
- Dudes been to prison
- Multiple high profile charges, court cases
- Had shots fired at around him numerous time
- His homie straight shot Suge's #1 homeboy Jake for actin a fool at one of their parties, shot him up while he was looking at Puffy
- Pac makes threats to Puffy and Puffy replies with "Bad Boys move in silence.." that's some street shit if I ever heard of it

And I love 2pac and took the East/West beef seriously.  So I always resented Puffy and Biggies rise to the top of the music mountain those were some of the most depressing times in my life I still suffer for, after Pac died and Big became number 1, then Puff went to #1, and then Mase went to #1.

But go back and listen to No Way Out, and it puts Puffy in a rare category that 2pac, Bone's early days, 50 Cent when he was signed by Em, Snoop in his Murder Was the Case era have lived.  Like Vibe journalist Kevin Powell wrote "An Earnest Hemmingway Life where art imitates life and vice versa".  These guys were actually living the shit they rapped about.  How many rap artists shot to the top and actually lived the life they were rapping about?

And we can hate them as much as we want but bottom line these joints are fire and he's actually living the shit he's talking about.  Look here, he took a rap classic "The Message" and he took Mathew Wilder 80's my pre-school field trip music "Break My Stride" this was the hottest shit out when it dropped:



^^you guys act like this is easy.  Look how the guy put everything together.  From bringing in comedians like Eddie Griffin.  To puttin out new styles like wit the Jersey numbers, the sun glasses that reflect, and new dances, and even bringing on Mase who was flipping a different style and cadence on this people ain't really heard before.  And those catch phrases everyone was saying around school like,

"Quit that
You a big cat?
where you chips at?
where your whips at""