Is Backpacker Hip-Hop Zipped Up?

[WestCoasta]

[Tanjential]

I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting
Y'all get shot at, call me, I do the shooting
I do the recruiting, I tutor the students
I nurture they brain, I'm moving the movement
Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers
I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"

seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.

-T

[Elevz]

seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.

-T

You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.

I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting

Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.

Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers

You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?

I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"

More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?

I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.

[Tanjential]

seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.

-T

You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.

I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting

Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.

Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers

You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?

I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"

More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?

I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.

Ever read Michael McClure? How about Lewis Carol? Jabberwocky? Kerouac's beach poems? There's ALOT of poetry that's poetic based on its sonicality. The fact that it's sonically alright makes it automatically poetic. Poetic isn't just what "enter person's name here* finds to be deep or poignant. it's the art of words in a non-prose way. You can't box art or artistic mediums.

+1 for answering tho mayne

-T

[Tanjential]

Furthermore, I think this kind of thing is why I get so much hate on this board: i tend to see all sides of things.

It's not that I think Cam is the dopest or a favorite or eeven that I like him alot....but I can see the value other people find in him.

Most cats that say 'fuck a dipcc' would never even bother to consider why someone like's Cam and will just be happy to diss cam fans, and feel smug in knowing they like better shit...that's cool I guess, but I'm gonna think about why someone would like it, listen with open ears you know? How else can you get enjoyment out of life without giving it a chance? Anyway I digress...so I look at it from all angles and play devil's advocate because if the best idea to the contrary of an idea is not presented then how lean/fit is the original idea? It's discussional darwinism, in order for thought to progress the best arguments from all sides must be presented. I noticed most people here would rather one way of thinking be prevalent and that's why I get hate, they'd rather just jack each other off.

in other words, I'm not a dip cat, not really the first person to defend Cam you know? But I'm not gonna just agree that some shit is whack if there is some value to it on some creative/artistic level you know?

^^none of this was aimed at anyone in particular, just the lack of diverse thought/hate on me in general.

-T

[Samoan Enforcer]

seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.

-T

You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.

I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting

Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.

Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers

You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?

I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"

More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?

I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.

its called looking past intention in art my nigga. you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck. like tanjibility said, the sonic quality of his lines surpass most underground artists attempts at conveying emotion and half ass stories in hopes of redeeming themselves as "artists". he puts out this seemingly nonsensical insanity over some of the craziest instrumentals in modern rap, unapologetic, swagger and originality present at all times, who the fuck needs "backpacker" hip hop. on the real dog that backpack shit is just for white kids and nerds who cant feel any connection to the good vibes and times that are connected to a track like get em girls. its music for crabs. i hope its dying

[Tanjential]

seriously, on a purely sonic and poetic level how is that not dope? i'd prefer this to rhyming 'cash' with 'ass' and 'switch' with 'bitch' ANY day of the week.

-T

You're reading a Cam'ron verse, speaking of a poetic level, wondering how is that not dope? Let me point this out.

I get the boosters boosting, I get computers puting

Puting? There is no such verb. Computers compute, that's why they're called computers.

Whether buddist or budah, that's judist or juda
I got luger to ruger, hit from +Roota to Toota+
Chick from hooter to hooter, I put two in producers
I'm the real boss story, the hoolah of hoosiers

You tell me, how is that supposed to make sense? You're calling this poetic, right? What the fuck is "judist or juda"? "I put two in producers" (pro-deuce-ers?)? And what about the Hoosiers and "their" Hulah Lake? And how is any of this in any way related to each other?

I rock mostly dosey, I roll mostly dololy
I'll leave you wholy, holy, you'll say "Holy Moly"
Here come the coroner get 'em, play "Rolly Poley"
I'll tell you true stories, how I coldly hold heat
When it's repping time, I get on extra grind
Fried the frequency, pepperseed to pepperdine
Jeff Hamilton, +Genesis+, leather time
Bitches say I'm the man, I tell 'em "Nevermind"

More of the same: let's take our rhyme dictionary and put together some words, and if the shit doesn't make sense - who cares?

I know it's easy to overrationalize music, and I know this verse was totally off topic, and yes the rhyming is "unique" in it's own way indeed. It still sucks though. Sonically alright? Yes, but poetic? Hell no.

its called looking past intention in art my nigga. you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck. like tanjibility said, the sonic quality of his lines surpass most underground artists attempts at conveying emotion and half ass stories in hopes of redeeming themselves as "artists". he puts out this seemingly nonsensical insanity over some of the craziest instrumentals in modern rap, unapologetic, swagger and originality present at all times, who the fuck needs "backpacker" hip hop. on the real dog that backpack shit is just for white kids and nerds who cant feel any connection to the good vibes and times that are connected to a track like get em girls. its music for crabs. i hope its dying

thanks I appreciate that but I am ROLLLLIN off how extreme everyone is. I mean, it's cool to dig cam but then dissing backpacks it's just like him dissin dips you know? But i feel you

I feel like backpack hip hop is a legitimate response to the question 'why don't rappers actually say something/talk about some shit worth talking to/put craft before gangsterism?'

but I definitely agree that dips has all that you said going for them. i'd like to be linked to a dips song that is considered well produced, cause that's mainly what turns me offa them is the production. is the song that cam verse came from well produced? I'm interested.

-T

[Samoan Enforcer]

http://www.zshare.net/audio/camron_killa_cam-get_em_girls-whoa-mp3.html

its from a mixtape but you tell me

uses a sped up sample from "O Fortuna" (Excaliber movie theme)

[XaNdEr]

Furthermore, I think this kind of thing is why I get so much hate on this board: i tend to see all sides of things.

It's not that I think Cam is the dopest or a favorite or eeven that I like him alot....but I can see the value other people find in him.

Most cats that say 'fuck a dipcc' would never even bother to consider why someone like's Cam and will just be happy to diss cam fans, and feel smug in knowing they like better shit...that's cool I guess, but I'm gonna think about why someone would like it, listen with open ears you know? How else can you get enjoyment out of life without giving it a chance? Anyway I digress...so I look at it from all angles and play devil's advocate because if the best idea to the contrary of an idea is not presented then how lean/fit is the original idea? It's discussional darwinism, in order for thought to progress the best arguments from all sides must be presented. I noticed most people here would rather one way of thinking be prevalent and that's why I get hate, they'd rather just jack each other off.

in other words, I'm not a dip cat, not really the first person to defend Cam you know? But I'm not gonna just agree that some shit is whack if there is some value to it on some creative/artistic level you know?

^^none of this was aimed at anyone in particular, just the lack of diverse thought/hate on me in general.

-T

if you listen to his music for those reasons then that is ok, but i highly doubt all these dipset groupies listne to it the way you listen to it, they just join the hype to belong to a group, in their hearts htey dont care about music. thats why i dont understand why they are against g-unit, its basically the same concept. but to each his own. +1 though, cuz i see you mean what you say.

[Elevz]

Props to both of you, and I think I see where you're coming from... Just one thing that pops into my mind: how much sense does nonsense have to make to be considered good art? Because to me, this is just a shit load of sonically correct words thrown together with no connection at all. Yes, you can call it art all you want, and sure Cam'ron should be respected for taking a different approach to making a rap song.

you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck.

I could throw together a bunch of rhyming words and call it the greatest song ever written. I could chalk six lines on a paper and call it the greatest piece of artwork ever made by man. The difference is, renowned painters know what they're doing: they accurately assign every element its place in their paintings to make it a wholly perfect composition. I couldn't do that by chalking up some lines; it takes a genius to do that. However, I don't see a difference between me grabbing together some rhyming words and converting that into a 16, and this "great artwork" of Cam'ron's. To me, there is no logic in it. It's random, and worthless at that.

Does that mean you can't enjoy it? If a man can enjoy the color of sand, why can't he enjoy a Cam'ron verse? You can like it all you want, but to call it a masterpiece, that's not just slightly overblown.

[Tanjential]

Props to both of you, and I think I see where you're coming from... Just one thing that pops into my mind: how much sense does nonsense have to make to be considered good art? Because to me, this is just a shit load of sonically correct words thrown together with no connection at all. Yes, you can call it art all you want, and sure Cam'ron should be respected for taking a different approach to making a rap song.

you dont look at an abstract painting and go, "awh, thats crap that looks nothing like a vase of flowers" but you recognize the value in it anyway and in many circumstances it becomes more beautiful than you're average portrait or whatever the fuck.

I could throw together a bunch of rhyming words and call it the greatest song ever written. I could chalk six lines on a paper and call it the greatest piece of artwork ever made by man. The difference is, renowned painters know what they're doing: they accurately assign every element its place in their paintings to make it a wholly perfect composition. I couldn't do that by chalking up some lines; it takes a genius to do that. However, I don't see a difference between me grabbing together some rhyming words and converting that into a 16, and this "great artwork" of Cam'ron's. To me, there is no logic in it. It's random, and worthless at that.

Does that mean you can't enjoy it? If a man can enjoy the color of sand, why can't he enjoy a Cam'ron verse? You can like it all you want, but to call it a masterpiece, that's not just slightly overblown.

The beach sand in the right light is amazing art on nature's part.


anyway, I'm not sayinf cam's verse was a great artwork, I was just responding to your implication that it wasn't art at all/worthless.

-T

[Elevz]

^^ Well, since there is no proper definition on what is art and what's not, anything that has ever been created could be considered art

[Tanjential]

^^ Well, since there is no proper definition on what is art and what's not, anything that has ever been created could be considered art

IF made for the purpose of beauty or expression/creativity or both.

-T

[Oklin]

Props.. Nice article..