Maybe the greatest wrestler ever

[M Dogg™]

LOL... finally got to you... Trauma would be proud


Angle, if you put him and any era, his going to be on top of many peoples list. If his in the 70's, his up there with Race and Brisco. His the ultimate wrestler, someone that can make it real, someone that can entertain, and someone that flat out wrestle. His one of the all time greats, and if you put him in any era, his still doing what he has to do to be the best. You see, in greatness, it's not messured by an era, it's messured by a man's heart. Jordan did what he had to do because he hated losing. Everyone else would want to beat Jordan, and they would try, even get the better of him for a time, but Jordan would go into I will not lose form, and just dominate. Nas beat Jay-Z, even though after Takeover, most every other rapper would take a lose. Nas had that heart to take him game a notch, and beat Jay-Z. Angle is that guy. He can be busted, broken neck, and still put on the show of a life time. The same way Austin did it, only Angle has a better wrestling style than Austin. You put Angle in any era, his right at home, because his ready to make it real, make it entertaining, and give 100% everytime. Like Flair coming back from a plane wreck, only Angle doesn't over act. Angle is the real deal, he wants to be the best ever, and his doing whatever it takes to do it. And don't give me entertainment arguments in eras, what was Gorgous George?

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Shallow >>> Trauma

[Shallow]

LOL... finally got to you... Trauma would be proud


Angle, if you put him and any era, his going to be on top of many peoples list. If his in the 70's, his up there with Race and Brisco. His the ultimate wrestler, someone that can make it real, someone that can entertain, and someone that flat out wrestle. His one of the all time greats, and if you put him in any era, his still doing what he has to do to be the best. You see, in greatness, it's not messured by an era, it's messured by a man's heart. Jordan did what he had to do because he hated losing. Everyone else would want to beat Jordan, and they would try, even get the better of him for a time, but Jordan would go into I will not lose form, and just dominate. Nas beat Jay-Z, even though after Takeover, most every other rapper would take a lose. Nas had that heart to take him game a notch, and beat Jay-Z. Angle is that guy. He can be busted, broken neck, and still put on the show of a life time. The same way Austin did it, only Angle has a better wrestling style than Austin. You put Angle in any era, his right at home, because his ready to make it real, make it entertaining, and give 100% everytime. Like Flair coming back from a plane wreck, only Angle doesn't over act. Angle is the real deal, he wants to be the best ever, and his doing whatever it takes to do it. And don't give me entertainment arguments in eras, what was Gorgous George?

Angle is a spot wrestler more than a scientific wrestler and if take away his spots he won't shine so much. Suplex, suplex, suplex, top rope spot. That didn't fly in the 70s. Angle doesn't have the know how to put guys over like Race could. He's still very good but not at that level of guys that can carry stories in the ring. If the crowd turned on Angle's match he'd have a harder time figuring out how to get them back (I'm not talking about making them cheer for him when they boo). Look what Bret Hart did with Austin. Bret walked in a hero and walked out a hated man, and he didn't have to join Vince, or pull some over the top stunt. He told the story and he told it perfectly and made Austin a superstar in that night. Until Angle can do that, and it'll take a lot more than a spotfest with Shane McMahon he has a bit more to learn. Angle is a great executer and can do a lot of moves very well, and he overacts as much as Flair did. The young Flair didn't so much.

And George Wagner was a decent amateur wrestler overshadowed by his flamboyance and was never seen as legit tough which kept him from winning many belts and he never got the world title and only won a handful of regional titles. You had to make it real for those fans, in the ring and on the mic. Angle's drink your milk shtick was funny but not real. Even when he brags about his medals it sounds a bit fake and that is real. Great for entertainment purposes and great for this era but when I see him get serious something still looks wrong.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe

[DipsetGeneral]

No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe

I disagree big time. There was a time where fans couldnt control themselves during a Angle match, when he would defend his title people would root for him to lose so hard it was absurd, he was hated because he was such a powerful heel.  And in the ring Angle is close to the level of a Benoit, or Jericho or Bret Hart.  He is one of the best ever

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe

I disagree big time. There was a time where fans couldnt control themselves during a Angle match, when he would defend his title people would root for him to lose so hard it was absurd, he was hated because he was such a powerful heel.  And in the ring Angle is close to the level of a Benoit, or Jericho or Bret Hart.  He is one of the best ever

I'm talking about when he FIRST was introduced, I believe at one point WWF even had him billed as a "boring/technical" wrestler as part of his original persona... people just hated his style all together...Not saying he's not a great wrestler, I stopped watching shortly after he was introduced, but from what I remember, he wasn't even close to controlling a crowd in the same breath as an Undertaker or a Hulk Hogan...PeACe

[DipsetGeneral]

No matter what people say, I can never view Angle as a GOAT...I remember when he first came to the WWF with his Gold Medalist asshole persona...His matches were so boring, the crowd would start booing in boredom mid-way through...He was hated not because he was a heel, but because he wasn't a WWF style wrestler...Slowly, he adapted to that WWF style, but he will never capture the audience like an Undertaker, a Shawn Michaels, a Hogan...It's not even about how good of a wresltler he is, overall, he just doesn't have it...PeACe

I disagree big time. There was a time where fans couldnt control themselves during a Angle match, when he would defend his title people would root for him to lose so hard it was absurd, he was hated because he was such a powerful heel.  And in the ring Angle is close to the level of a Benoit, or Jericho or Bret Hart.  He is one of the best ever

I'm talking about when he FIRST was introduced, I believe at one point WWF even had him billed as a "boring/technical" wrestler as part of his original persona... people just hated his style all together...Not saying he's not a great wrestler, I stopped watching shortly after he was introduced, but from what I remember, he wasn't even close to controlling a crowd in the same breath as an Undertaker or a Hulk Hogan...PeACe

Im with you, I havnt been a fan of wrestling in years like yourself.  And yes he struggled big time when he began no doubt and he cant control a match like Taker or Hulk, but he did a fine job controlling matches.

[Shallow]

I don't think Taker or Hulk are all the great at controlling matches or crowds during match. Both need to be carried if the match is any longer than 12 minutes. Hogan had the aid of rare appearances to help his longevity. There is a big reason people can't be champ for years at a time anymore and that is because of weekly main event TV. In the old days, anytime before Nitro, you'd see a world champion wrestle with your own eyes only a handful of times a year. He was only on TV for special matches and the rest of the time he was off TV wrestling house shows. You'd only see Hogan wrestle on the 2 or 3 PPVs and the 6 or 7 SNMEs a year. If Hogan was on TV and wrestling in prime time every week he'd have had to drop the belt after a year and a half, then do another chase and drop it again, and chase again, win, and drop. That's why guys today almost never have it for full years and two years is unthinkable. The fans see them more often and get tired of them faster. It's just natural that way.

Taker uses gimmicks like Hogan to get the crowd and when the crowd grows tired both run out of ideas an don't know what to do. Watch Hogan in the early 90s WCW. He was being booed as a baby face after his first run as champ. Watch Taker at Summerslam in Toronto a couple years ago and see the crowd have to entertain themselves because of how boring the match was. Gimmicks only work when they are rare and Taker has to rely on those gimmicks to stay over with the crowd. Look at them both for the past 6 to 7 years. They wrestle light schedules and show up every few months to comeback pops. If Angle did that he'd be over each time too. It's the ones that can stay over week in and week out and not take long breaks that really know how to hold a crowd and a match.