Nas Lashes Out At NYPD After Fatal Shooting

[boycriedwolf619]

If these guys weren't cops and were just a bunch of gangsters none of these hypocrite rappers would have said shit. And if it were thugs from their area they'd write a song about it praising them and pretending like they were part of it.

From what I understand, according to wikipedia (correct me if I'm wrong), Sean Bell and his friends weren't model citizens and Joseph Guzman was heard by undercover cops in the club threatening a girl saying he would get his gun. The men then proceeded to their car where they were instructed to put their hands up, but Bell continued to drive and hit a cop and a police van. Then the shots started flying. But people in the media mention it like he was just some man in his car going to his wedding and cops fired for no reason. It's like Rodney King, no one remembers that he was going 100 miles an hour for like 10 minutes before he got beat down. He could have killed people. All of a sudden he's a hero because he's black. There are plenty of innocent black men in the world that get mistreated by the police. Why rally around the guilty ones?

bro... im from NY and it didnt happen like that.  And if you lived in NY to see how the NYPD treats all people in general you would agree.  They treat white people like shit, just imagine how bad that treat black people.  Everything that is coming out of the cops side is bull shit.  The cop approached him with his piece out and didnt identify himself as a cop.  Thats when sean bell hit the other cars b/c he saw someone come with his piece and he was trying to get out of there.  Thats when shots popped off.  And c'mon explain to me how 50 shots is justified.  One cop almost popped off 2 clips.

I'm not justifying what they did or how they did it. The police system in general is a joke; Underpaid, under-educated, angry assholes. I'm just saying if it was the girl's (the one that Bell's friend harassed) pimp that came out and busted 50 shots, all he'd get out of it would be a successful rap career if he wanted and a bunch of clowns on the forum calling him as real as they come. The one's that wouldn't condone his actions in general would look for a way to blame the system. "It's not his fault; the white man put him in a position in life where he didn't have a choice". I'm a half and half guy with both sides of the streets. Cops who act as such should be kicked off the force but the police, prison, and judicial systems should all be looked at very carefully because something is wrong in all three. The cops suffer the most from that side of the system because they have to be out there in the streets, working in fear, with the product of those second rate systems; the criminals. And on the street side you have welfare states creating government dependency, the inability to progress, and a lack of care for the community. You also get this bullshit "no snitches" state of mind that corrupts the good people on the street from coming forward because of fear and they get shunned by the community. In Greece you get shunned if you don't testify, because the whole community sees you as the reason a violent criminal walks among us. And because of that street level crime is way down, and has been for a long time. Then you have this top down school system that’s more afraid of a lawsuit than a student throwing their life away, coupled with the fact that most parents now view teachers as enemies and obstacles rather than important figures in the raising of their child. And unfortunately the black community suffers the most from all this. They are the most likely to be harassed and mistreated by the police (the fact everyone brings up with out hesitation), and they are the most likely to commit a street level crime (the fact everyone knows but won't say publicly). To end this both sides of the system need to be attacked at the same time. Anyone that thinks all we need to do is fix the "white" side of things is as stupid as those that think all we need to do is get rid of black people.

Why are you sayin if this happen then this would happen because it didnt so how would u know

[Shallow]

If these guys weren't cops and were just a bunch of gangsters none of these hypocrite rappers would have said shit. And if it were thugs from their area they'd write a song about it praising them and pretending like they were part of it.

From what I understand, according to wikipedia (correct me if I'm wrong), Sean Bell and his friends weren't model citizens and Joseph Guzman was heard by undercover cops in the club threatening a girl saying he would get his gun. The men then proceeded to their car where they were instructed to put their hands up, but Bell continued to drive and hit a cop and a police van. Then the shots started flying. But people in the media mention it like he was just some man in his car going to his wedding and cops fired for no reason. It's like Rodney King, no one remembers that he was going 100 miles an hour for like 10 minutes before he got beat down. He could have killed people. All of a sudden he's a hero because he's black. There are plenty of innocent black men in the world that get mistreated by the police. Why rally around the guilty ones?

bro... im from NY and it didnt happen like that.  And if you lived in NY to see how the NYPD treats all people in general you would agree.  They treat white people like shit, just imagine how bad that treat black people.  Everything that is coming out of the cops side is bull shit.  The cop approached him with his piece out and didnt identify himself as a cop.  Thats when sean bell hit the other cars b/c he saw someone come with his piece and he was trying to get out of there.  Thats when shots popped off.  And c'mon explain to me how 50 shots is justified.  One cop almost popped off 2 clips.

I'm not justifying what they did or how they did it. The police system in general is a joke; Underpaid, under-educated, angry assholes. I'm just saying if it was the girl's (the one that Bell's friend harassed) pimp that came out and busted 50 shots, all he'd get out of it would be a successful rap career if he wanted and a bunch of clowns on the forum calling him as real as they come. The one's that wouldn't condone his actions in general would look for a way to blame the system. "It's not his fault; the white man put him in a position in life where he didn't have a choice". I'm a half and half guy with both sides of the streets. Cops who act as such should be kicked off the force but the police, prison, and judicial systems should all be looked at very carefully because something is wrong in all three. The cops suffer the most from that side of the system because they have to be out there in the streets, working in fear, with the product of those second rate systems; the criminals. And on the street side you have welfare states creating government dependency, the inability to progress, and a lack of care for the community. You also get this bullshit "no snitches" state of mind that corrupts the good people on the street from coming forward because of fear and they get shunned by the community. In Greece you get shunned if you don't testify, because the whole community sees you as the reason a violent criminal walks among us. And because of that street level crime is way down, and has been for a long time. Then you have this top down school system that’s more afraid of a lawsuit than a student throwing their life away, coupled with the fact that most parents now view teachers as enemies and obstacles rather than important figures in the raising of their child. And unfortunately the black community suffers the most from all this. They are the most likely to be harassed and mistreated by the police (the fact everyone brings up with out hesitation), and they are the most likely to commit a street level crime (the fact everyone knows but won't say publicly). To end this both sides of the system need to be attacked at the same time. Anyone that thinks all we need to do is fix the "white" side of things is as stupid as those that think all we need to do is get rid of black people.

Why are you sayin if this happen then this would happen because it didnt so how would u know

Because it does happen all the time. When 50 gets shot 9 times it's part of this big glamorous ganster lifestyle. When gangsters brag about killing, beating down, drug dealing, etc the fans, out there and on this forum, get lost in the fairytale, and when a rapper is exposed as a fraud, instead of saying "thank God he really isn't a killer" people laugh at him and lose respect for him. How many times has Nas bragged about the street life, in his songs and in his old interviews? He used the image to catapult himself. But when it's a cop that does the same shit people on the streets brag about doing, all those clowns laughing and bragging, turn into Malcolm X. It's not an "if" scenario. It's real and it's happening right now.

[Dubz]

If these guys weren't cops and were just a bunch of gangsters none of these hypocrite rappers would have said shit. And if it were thugs from their area they'd write a song about it praising them and pretending like they were part of it.

From what I understand, according to wikipedia (correct me if I'm wrong), Sean Bell and his friends weren't model citizens and Joseph Guzman was heard by undercover cops in the club threatening a girl saying he would get his gun. The men then proceeded to their car where they were instructed to put their hands up, but Bell continued to drive and hit a cop and a police van. Then the shots started flying. But people in the media mention it like he was just some man in his car going to his wedding and cops fired for no reason. It's like Rodney King, no one remembers that he was going 100 miles an hour for like 10 minutes before he got beat down. He could have killed people. All of a sudden he's a hero because he's black. There are plenty of innocent black men in the world that get mistreated by the police. Why rally around the guilty ones?

bro... im from NY and it didnt happen like that.  And if you lived in NY to see how the NYPD treats all people in general you would agree.  They treat white people like shit, just imagine how bad that treat black people.  Everything that is coming out of the cops side is bull shit.  The cop approached him with his piece out and didnt identify himself as a cop.  Thats when sean bell hit the other cars b/c he saw someone come with his piece and he was trying to get out of there.  Thats when shots popped off.  And c'mon explain to me how 50 shots is justified.  One cop almost popped off 2 clips.

I'm not justifying what they did or how they did it. The police system in general is a joke; Underpaid, under-educated, angry assholes. I'm just saying if it was the girl's (the one that Bell's friend harassed) pimp that came out and busted 50 shots, all he'd get out of it would be a successful rap career if he wanted and a bunch of clowns on the forum calling him as real as they come. The one's that wouldn't condone his actions in general would look for a way to blame the system. "It's not his fault; the white man put him in a position in life where he didn't have a choice". I'm a half and half guy with both sides of the streets. Cops who act as such should be kicked off the force but the police, prison, and judicial systems should all be looked at very carefully because something is wrong in all three. The cops suffer the most from that side of the system because they have to be out there in the streets, working in fear, with the product of those second rate systems; the criminals. And on the street side you have welfare states creating government dependency, the inability to progress, and a lack of care for the community. You also get this bullshit "no snitches" state of mind that corrupts the good people on the street from coming forward because of fear and they get shunned by the community. In Greece you get shunned if you don't testify, because the whole community sees you as the reason a violent criminal walks among us. And because of that street level crime is way down, and has been for a long time. Then you have this top down school system that?s more afraid of a lawsuit than a student throwing their life away, coupled with the fact that most parents now view teachers as enemies and obstacles rather than important figures in the raising of their child. And unfortunately the black community suffers the most from all this. They are the most likely to be harassed and mistreated by the police (the fact everyone brings up with out hesitation), and they are the most likely to commit a street level crime (the fact everyone knows but won't say publicly). To end this both sides of the system need to be attacked at the same time. Anyone that thinks all we need to do is fix the "white" side of things is as stupid as those that think all we need to do is get rid of black people.

Why are you sayin if this happen then this would happen because it didnt so how would u know

Because it does happen all the time. When 50 gets shot 9 times it's part of this big glamorous ganster lifestyle. When gangsters brag about killing, beating down, drug dealing, etc the fans, out there and on this forum, get lost in the fairytale, and when a rapper is exposed as a fraud, instead of saying "thank God he really isn't a killer" people laugh at him and lose respect for him. How many times has Nas bragged about the street life, in his songs and in his old interviews? He used the image to catapult himself. But when it's a cop that does the same shit people on the streets brag about doing, all those clowns laughing and bragging, turn into Malcolm X. It's not an "if" scenario. It's real and it's happening right now.

okay mr. 5-0. just caaaalm down.

the reason that police have no right to do this is that they have all of the power in the world behind them, literally, that bein the govt. when people handle their business, im not sayin i agree with street violence at all, but theyre on a similar level with each other in the streets. its not like the all-empowered goin after innocent people because they see some black people and get trigger happy, which is what just happened.

[boycriedwolf619]

If these guys weren't cops and were just a bunch of gangsters none of these hypocrite rappers would have said shit. And if it were thugs from their area they'd write a song about it praising them and pretending like they were part of it.

From what I understand, according to wikipedia (correct me if I'm wrong), Sean Bell and his friends weren't model citizens and Joseph Guzman was heard by undercover cops in the club threatening a girl saying he would get his gun. The men then proceeded to their car where they were instructed to put their hands up, but Bell continued to drive and hit a cop and a police van. Then the shots started flying. But people in the media mention it like he was just some man in his car going to his wedding and cops fired for no reason. It's like Rodney King, no one remembers that he was going 100 miles an hour for like 10 minutes before he got beat down. He could have killed people. All of a sudden he's a hero because he's black. There are plenty of innocent black men in the world that get mistreated by the police. Why rally around the guilty ones?

bro... im from NY and it didnt happen like that.  And if you lived in NY to see how the NYPD treats all people in general you would agree.  They treat white people like shit, just imagine how bad that treat black people.  Everything that is coming out of the cops side is bull shit.  The cop approached him with his piece out and didnt identify himself as a cop.  Thats when sean bell hit the other cars b/c he saw someone come with his piece and he was trying to get out of there.  Thats when shots popped off.  And c'mon explain to me how 50 shots is justified.  One cop almost popped off 2 clips.

I'm not justifying what they did or how they did it. The police system in general is a joke; Underpaid, under-educated, angry assholes. I'm just saying if it was the girl's (the one that Bell's friend harassed) pimp that came out and busted 50 shots, all he'd get out of it would be a successful rap career if he wanted and a bunch of clowns on the forum calling him as real as they come. The one's that wouldn't condone his actions in general would look for a way to blame the system. "It's not his fault; the white man put him in a position in life where he didn't have a choice". I'm a half and half guy with both sides of the streets. Cops who act as such should be kicked off the force but the police, prison, and judicial systems should all be looked at very carefully because something is wrong in all three. The cops suffer the most from that side of the system because they have to be out there in the streets, working in fear, with the product of those second rate systems; the criminals. And on the street side you have welfare states creating government dependency, the inability to progress, and a lack of care for the community. You also get this bullshit "no snitches" state of mind that corrupts the good people on the street from coming forward because of fear and they get shunned by the community. In Greece you get shunned if you don't testify, because the whole community sees you as the reason a violent criminal walks among us. And because of that street level crime is way down, and has been for a long time. Then you have this top down school system that’s more afraid of a lawsuit than a student throwing their life away, coupled with the fact that most parents now view teachers as enemies and obstacles rather than important figures in the raising of their child. And unfortunately the black community suffers the most from all this. They are the most likely to be harassed and mistreated by the police (the fact everyone brings up with out hesitation), and they are the most likely to commit a street level crime (the fact everyone knows but won't say publicly). To end this both sides of the system need to be attacked at the same time. Anyone that thinks all we need to do is fix the "white" side of things is as stupid as those that think all we need to do is get rid of black people.

Why are you sayin if this happen then this would happen because it didnt so how would u know

Because it does happen all the time. When 50 gets shot 9 times it's part of this big glamorous ganster lifestyle. When gangsters brag about killing, beating down, drug dealing, etc the fans, out there and on this forum, get lost in the fairytale, and when a rapper is exposed as a fraud, instead of saying "thank God he really isn't a killer" people laugh at him and lose respect for him. How many times has Nas bragged about the street life, in his songs and in his old interviews? He used the image to catapult himself. But when it's a cop that does the same shit people on the streets brag about doing, all those clowns laughing and bragging, turn into Malcolm X. It's not an "if" scenario. It's real and it's happening right now.

If im correct a cop isnt supposed to all the shit that people in the streets do right.  Thats why they are cops so when police shoot and kill people w/o guns they doing the same thing gangsters or whatever do in the streets. BUt the reason why people get all Malcom X when something like this happens its because you stop n think like wtf why are we paying taxes for shyt like this.

[Shallow]

If these guys weren't cops and were just a bunch of gangsters none of these hypocrite rappers would have said shit. And if it were thugs from their area they'd write a song about it praising them and pretending like they were part of it.

From what I understand, according to wikipedia (correct me if I'm wrong), Sean Bell and his friends weren't model citizens and Joseph Guzman was heard by undercover cops in the club threatening a girl saying he would get his gun. The men then proceeded to their car where they were instructed to put their hands up, but Bell continued to drive and hit a cop and a police van. Then the shots started flying. But people in the media mention it like he was just some man in his car going to his wedding and cops fired for no reason. It's like Rodney King, no one remembers that he was going 100 miles an hour for like 10 minutes before he got beat down. He could have killed people. All of a sudden he's a hero because he's black. There are plenty of innocent black men in the world that get mistreated by the police. Why rally around the guilty ones?

bro... im from NY and it didnt happen like that.  And if you lived in NY to see how the NYPD treats all people in general you would agree.  They treat white people like shit, just imagine how bad that treat black people.  Everything that is coming out of the cops side is bull shit.  The cop approached him with his piece out and didnt identify himself as a cop.  Thats when sean bell hit the other cars b/c he saw someone come with his piece and he was trying to get out of there.  Thats when shots popped off.  And c'mon explain to me how 50 shots is justified.  One cop almost popped off 2 clips.

I'm not justifying what they did or how they did it. The police system in general is a joke; Underpaid, under-educated, angry assholes. I'm just saying if it was the girl's (the one that Bell's friend harassed) pimp that came out and busted 50 shots, all he'd get out of it would be a successful rap career if he wanted and a bunch of clowns on the forum calling him as real as they come. The one's that wouldn't condone his actions in general would look for a way to blame the system. "It's not his fault; the white man put him in a position in life where he didn't have a choice". I'm a half and half guy with both sides of the streets. Cops who act as such should be kicked off the force but the police, prison, and judicial systems should all be looked at very carefully because something is wrong in all three. The cops suffer the most from that side of the system because they have to be out there in the streets, working in fear, with the product of those second rate systems; the criminals. And on the street side you have welfare states creating government dependency, the inability to progress, and a lack of care for the community. You also get this bullshit "no snitches" state of mind that corrupts the good people on the street from coming forward because of fear and they get shunned by the community. In Greece you get shunned if you don't testify, because the whole community sees you as the reason a violent criminal walks among us. And because of that street level crime is way down, and has been for a long time. Then you have this top down school system that’s more afraid of a lawsuit than a student throwing their life away, coupled with the fact that most parents now view teachers as enemies and obstacles rather than important figures in the raising of their child. And unfortunately the black community suffers the most from all this. They are the most likely to be harassed and mistreated by the police (the fact everyone brings up with out hesitation), and they are the most likely to commit a street level crime (the fact everyone knows but won't say publicly). To end this both sides of the system need to be attacked at the same time. Anyone that thinks all we need to do is fix the "white" side of things is as stupid as those that think all we need to do is get rid of black people.

Why are you sayin if this happen then this would happen because it didnt so how would u know

Because it does happen all the time. When 50 gets shot 9 times it's part of this big glamorous ganster lifestyle. When gangsters brag about killing, beating down, drug dealing, etc the fans, out there and on this forum, get lost in the fairytale, and when a rapper is exposed as a fraud, instead of saying "thank God he really isn't a killer" people laugh at him and lose respect for him. How many times has Nas bragged about the street life, in his songs and in his old interviews? He used the image to catapult himself. But when it's a cop that does the same shit people on the streets brag about doing, all those clowns laughing and bragging, turn into Malcolm X. It's not an "if" scenario. It's real and it's happening right now.

If im correct a cop isnt supposed to all the shit that people in the streets do right.  Thats why they are cops so when police shoot and kill people w/o guns they doing the same thing gangsters or whatever do in the streets. BUt the reason why people get all Malcom X when something like this happens its because you stop n think like wtf why are we paying taxes for shyt like this.

By that same token I should why I pay I taxes so poor people can live off welfare and use free money they would be spending on living expenses to buy guns instead. People get mad because of preconditioning. Every black person in North America is taught to assume racism at every turn, and most white people are taught to feel guilty. When shit like this happens in Baltimore with a black Police Cheif and an all black police squad at the scene it barely makes the papers. That being coupled with the overreaction and generalization by people in times of media propagated extreme situations leads to everyone getting up on their high horse and throwing stones. The same way I realize that it's not every, or most blacks in the ghetto that shoot guns, is the same way I realize that it's not most cops that shoot at innocent people. Sometimes shit just happens. My only concern here is consistency. If people are going to see the evil when cops do it, they should see the evil when thugs do it. A cop isn't supposed to do all the shit people in the streets do, but the people in the streets aren't supposed to do it either. Particularly since it's the people in the streets that suffer from it more than anyone else.


And Dubbz, what similar level? That's few and far between. Most of the time it's higher up thugs picking on lower end guys because they can't do shit to people above them. Let's say a completely innocent man got lost in the ghetto and looked like had valuables on him. What are the odds of him getting out the way he came in? I can't even count the number of times some goofball walked into the hood around here to study with someone who's in his class and lives there, or visit a friend or girlfirend, not looking for any trouble but have a bunch of asshole thugs get in his face, beat him down, and rob him. And who knows what would happen if he fought back or disobeyed. And when I'm not around to pull them off people get get hurt. Last summer I saw a guy take two to the stomach because he made a lighthearted joke about someone's weird hair style. And it wasn't even at the moment the joke was told. The shooter did it the next day in cold blood after he had a night to think about it. Some people are just completely stupid and anti-social, whether they are thugs or police. But rest assured there are more decent police when it comes to how they treat innocent blacks then there are thugs when it comes to how they treat innocent people.