Did 2Pac pay The Outlawz and others for appearing as guests on his songs?

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Plus Pac was single-handedly the biggest star in the entertainment business.  

He most definitely was not.

He most definitely was.  I'm old enough that I was a fan of 2pac as far back as when "I Get Around" first came out.  During the Strictly 4 My Niggaz through Me Against the World period Pac was one of the biggest names in the industry, although his name wasn't as big as Snoop, Snoop was #1 at the time.  Then, by the time the summer of 96' rolled around Pac had became the biggest name in the industry, not only in rap but dude was basically sitting on top of the world.


...anyway, back to the discussion at hand.  Pac most definitely paid the Outlawz, and he paid them even more than they deserved.  Napolean says that he lived at Pac's house in 96' along with other Outlawz.   They were livin the life... even then, Pac took care of them, ALL HAVE REMAINED LOYAL TO PAC AFTER HIS DEATH.  If Pac, was jerking any of them, don't you think at least one member of Pac's fam would of spoke out??   Even cats like Bad Azz who went and sued for not getting paid for "Krazy" said that he never blamed Pac because he knew Pac was the type of nicca that if he was alive he would've definitely made it up to Bad Azz, cause he looked out for people.   There are so many stories about Pac taking care of his family, his homies, and so many people living off Pac.

As a side note, the Outlawz actually even became quite rich later on.  Napolean aka Mutah goes around the world now doing Islamic dawah (calling to Islam).   He lives in Saudi Arabia.  In his lectures he says that they made a gang of money off touring and off that first independent Outlawz album that came out in the late 90's (I never got it, was it dope?).   I also assume that he meant they also made a gang of grip off the Still I Rise album cause he mentions them being signed to a nice deal at Death Row during that time.  

Napolean aka Mutah says he had all kinds of mansions and cars in those days, everything you could want, but that he was still empty inside and unhappy.  He said he was happy in the days when Pac was alive, even they used to play ball Outlawz vs. DoggPound, he says those were good times.  But that after Pac died he would wake up every day with a death wish to just get drunk and provoke a fight with someone and get himself killed.  Then he found Allah and he said he finally filled the void and found happiness.  

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Napolean also said alot of rappers was broke. He said he seen big name rappers (Pac?) having to eat ramon noodles to survive. Pac held the outlawz down (food, shelter, a career, shows) I'm sure that was payment enough. But to say that Pac paid each and every member per verse is highly unlikely.

Napolean and the lawz made lots of money indie post still i rise. Still I rise went multi plat so the next album the dropped indie even though Pac wasn't on it still had hundreds of thousands of people checking for it. If on a small portion of the people who bought still I rise copped ride wit us or collide with us, they caked up. Then they just kept droppin' music. Then you had royalties from still I rise, until the end of time, r u still down, me against the world and all eyez on me and touring.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Napolean also said alot of rappers was broke. He said he seen big name rappers (Pac?) having to eat ramon noodles to survive. Pac held the outlawz down (food, shelter, a career, shows) I'm sure that was payment enough. But to say that Pac paid each and every member per verse is highly unlikely.

If Napolean said that he damn sure wasn't talking about Pac.   Pac may have only had 100,000 dollars to his name when he died but that was because he was living large and he was spending crazy money.  Pac made a lot and spent a lot and it's ridiculous to say he was eating Ramon noodles to survive, lmao...

And it's also funny to think Pac is gonna operate like a damn by paying artists royalties for each verse and following protocol like that.  Pac dealt with them in a family kind of way.  I'm sure he did a lot of things by way of handshake.  It's not like Pac was a record label exec anyway, Pac was a rapper and if he hooked his homies up that wasn't even his responsibility to do that but he did it anyway and treated them like family.

[kuruptDPG]

  Even cats like Bad Azz who went and sued for not getting paid for "Krazy" said that he never blamed Pac because he knew Pac was the type of nicca that if he was alive he would've definitely made it up to Bad Azz, cause he looked out for people.   There are so many stories about Pac taking care of his family, his homies, and so many people living off Pac. 

that why i made this thread...so am i correct in sayin that pac asked bad azz to do a verse for him and didnt even pay him? and thats why years later bad azz decided to sue bcuz he didnt get paid for that session?

[Okka]

  Even cats like Bad Azz who went and sued for not getting paid for "Krazy" said that he never blamed Pac because he knew Pac was the type of nicca that if he was alive he would've definitely made it up to Bad Azz, cause he looked out for people.   There are so many stories about Pac taking care of his family, his homies, and so many people living off Pac. 

that why i made this thread...so am i correct in sayin that pac asked bad azz to do a verse for him and didnt even pay him? and thats why years later bad azz decided to sue bcuz he didnt get paid for that session?

Death Row/Interscope was supposed to pay Bad Azz, not Pac.

[PhunkyDoob]

Plus Pac was single-handedly the biggest star in the entertainment business.  

He most definitely was not.

He most definitely was.  I'm old enough that I was a fan of 2pac as far back as when "I Get Around" first came out.  During the Strictly 4 My Niggaz through Me Against the World period Pac was one of the biggest names in the industry, although his name wasn't as big as Snoop, Snoop was #1 at the time.  Then, by the time the summer of 96' rolled around Pac had became the biggest name in the industry, not only in rap but dude was basically sitting on top of the world.


...anyway, back to the discussion at hand.  Pac most definitely paid the Outlawz, and he paid them even more than they deserved.  Napolean says that he lived at Pac's house in 96' along with other Outlawz.   They were livin the life... even then, Pac took care of them, ALL HAVE REMAINED LOYAL TO PAC AFTER HIS DEATH.  If Pac, was jerking any of them, don't you think at least one member of Pac's fam would of spoke out??   Even cats like Bad Azz who went and sued for not getting paid for "Krazy" said that he never blamed Pac because he knew Pac was the type of nicca that if he was alive he would've definitely made it up to Bad Azz, cause he looked out for people.   There are so many stories about Pac taking care of his family, his homies, and so many people living off Pac.

As a side note, the Outlawz actually even became quite rich later on.  Napolean aka Mutah goes around the world now doing Islamic dawah (calling to Islam).   He lives in Saudi Arabia.  In his lectures he says that they made a gang of money off touring and off that first independent Outlawz album that came out in the late 90's (I never got it, was it dope?).   I also assume that he meant they also made a gang of grip off the Still I Rise album cause he mentions them being signed to a nice deal at Death Row during that time.  

Napolean aka Mutah says he had all kinds of mansions and cars in those days, everything you could want, but that he was still empty inside and unhappy.  He said he was happy in the days when Pac was alive, even they used to play ball Outlawz vs. DoggPound, he says those were good times.  But that after Pac died he would wake up every day with a death wish to just get drunk and provoke a fight with someone and get himself killed.  Then he found Allah and he said he finally filled the void and found happiness.  

So you dont see how you answered your question? 2pac is dead first off. Theres a difference. So even IF he had jerked them they're affiliation with the now after-death-martyr-bigger-than-life-2pac thats their hustle. Nobody gives a fuck about Outlawz, but as long as they have 2pac's name attached to them they can make some money cuz of looney ass fans he got after he died. So even IF he jerked them in some way what would they gain by telling it especially at that point? Dont be shocked if 2pac was alive that there would be issues about that. It happens with every group. Not always the artist(s) fault but shit like that happens. But my thing is 2pac is their hustle. That's how they make their bread. So regardless of how they truly feel or what they went through they gonna keep it to themselves & hustle, thnx to looney tune post-death fanatics.

Not saying he jerked them though. But everybody get jerked in the business. Thats why its a slow money business. People make alot of money in the long run in the entertainment business. People dont know how many artists started of doing writing or SOMETHING, most likely for free, flipped that into a deal, then with all the relationships they created & built they get the industry hype behind them/the chance to do more business & eat that way. Artists rarely eat from record sales. But its a slow build.

Its no different than at your (not you, but in general) 9-5.

It takes alot of money to MAKE alot of money. But when you deal with a PRODUCT (ie. artist), you gonna have to pay them for what they contributed. Thats why it annoys me when people tell artists to go indie. Indie takes money and you have to be ASSURED you going to MAKE AT LEAST that money in return, if not more.

[Jimmy H.]

He most definitely was.  I'm old enough that I was a fan of 2pac as far back as when "I Get Around" first came out.  During the Strictly 4 My Niggaz through Me Against the World period Pac was one of the biggest names in the industry, although his name wasn't as big as Snoop, Snoop was #1 at the time.  Then, by the time the summer of 96' rolled around Pac had became the biggest name in the industry, not only in rap but dude was basically sitting on top of the world.

I'm from the same era, brother, and I hate to burst your bubble but he was nowhere close to the "biggest star in the entertainment business". If you are talking about strictly hardcore rap then yes, at the time of his death, he was arguably the biggest name and had elevated the genre to mainstream status but biggest name in entertainment? You guys are buying into your own hype with this. The tragedy of Pac was he died before he got there.

This isn't a slight on Pac or his accomplishments but rap as a whole just hadn't gotten there yet. To even suggest that he was as on that level is fundamentally naïve to me. He was a controversial figure in life but he wasn't iconic until he died young. It's important to understand the difference. You can talk about where you were during this time but pop culture is a massive thing and a person's perception of it can often be warped by what elements of it, they were most attracted to. I'm sure there are video game fans from the 90's who are convinced that Street Fighter II. and Mortal Kombat were the biggest things in the world. You need perspective though. Pac was one of the hottest acts in hip-hop and had helped it cross over to the mainstream but he was a long way from Michael Jackson, Prince, or even Whitney Houston. If you use hip-hop culture as a measuring stick then yes, Pac was at the top. If you use pop culture, he still had a ways to go.

[Hack Wilson - real]

Plus Pac was single-handedly the biggest star in the entertainment business.  

He most definitely was not.

He most definitely was.

rare that i'll co-sign brian but here we go.


Nobody was a bigger star in the entire rap game and when it comes to the music industry the 90's was wide open to rap.


Sure, you might put Michael Jordan, Steve Young and Ken Griffey Jr. above Pac (since sports is "entertainment") but Pac was on top of the rap game and was a heavy player in big movies too.

[Jimmy H.]

I am not disputing him as one of the biggest stars in the rap game but venturing out into the larger venue of pop culture, he WASN'T the biggest star in the entertainment industry. He was very well on his way to that but rap still had a lot of hurdles to overcome. He was without question, one of the people who made it possible for these other guys to be where they are today but he never quite got there himself.

If you listen to the controversial interview where he badmouthed certain "black entertainers" for not giving back to the community, these were the guys who were the bigger stars. He was changing the game and his influence on pop culture will be forever documented but the mainstream was not embracing him like that when he was alive. To my knowledge, he never did any of the big late night talks show like Leno, Letterman, or even the guys on after him. He did Arsenio Hall, which is a show more catered to a hip-hop audience. Google his magazine covers and tell me what the prominent magazines he was featured on when he were alive. They were all hip-hop magazines. Source, Vibe, etc. I found one Rolling Stone cover after he died. No People. No Entertainment Weekly. No Time. No Newsweek. Now, for comparison, google magazine covers for Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston, or even today's artists like Eminem or Jay-Z.

Yes, Pac was coming along as an actor as well but movie studios weren't offering him something like Purple Rain, 8-Mile, or Glitter where his star power was being used to sell millions of tickets. Pac was definitely the better actor and had way more acting experience but not only was he never given a starring vehicle like those mentioned, he has never had top billing on any of the films he acted in. Look it up. Omar Epps was the star of Juice. Janet was star of Poetic Justice. Above The Rim was an ensemble piece where he got like third or fourth billing. Mickey Rourke was star of Bullet. Gridlock'd and Gang Related were buddy films where Pac was basically the equal star but Roth and Belushi were given top billing.

Let's make no mistake. Fresh out of jail, Pac was on his way to being the biggest star of his era but he never saw it in his lifetime. There were too many avenues that were still closed for artists affiliated with hip-hop music at that time. He had the talent and the charisma to overcome them but he died before he got the chance.