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The part where Jimmy said they bailed Pac i think its BS, if they put some money probably was Pac's royalties from MATW
Firm and Aftermath Presents were indeed both massive flops that left the label in the hole. Massive production budgets, marketing, etc. Compared to what Dre had done prior, they were monumental failures. That's why T was shelved. No one could justify the expense of promotion etc. That wasn't an exaggeration at all. Dre had yet to redefine his sound, find new talent to cultivate, and was at risk of losing whatever budget he had to accomplish both
Quote from: manny1 on August 27, 2017, 09:15:06 AMFirm and Aftermath Presents were indeed both massive flops that left the label in the hole. Massive production budgets, marketing, etc. Compared to what Dre had done prior, they were monumental failures. That's why T was shelved. No one could justify the expense of promotion etc. That wasn't an exaggeration at all. Dre had yet to redefine his sound, find new talent to cultivate, and was at risk of losing whatever budget he had to accomplish bothGee, I wonder what the production and marketing budget must have been for them to be "in the hole" after two platinum albums. That's bullshit. The videos and promotions for those albums weren't exactly Michael Jackson territory.Even on major labels, as long as you go 300,000 then you are making money. Firm was a number 1 album--some labels operate for years without a #1.Aftermath was winning, and you can't even include "production" and "marketing" expenses into your King T argument cause actually the reverse is true. Those production and marketing costs had already been spent. He'd already had a lead single and video, completed album, and advertisements--only thing left was to press and ship.The for whatever reason, maybe cause of the Eminem discover or moreso Dre's outrageous standards he decided last minute not to release it.
Quote from: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on August 31, 2017, 06:18:17 AMQuote from: manny1 on August 27, 2017, 09:15:06 AMFirm and Aftermath Presents were indeed both massive flops that left the label in the hole. Massive production budgets, marketing, etc. Compared to what Dre had done prior, they were monumental failures. That's why T was shelved. No one could justify the expense of promotion etc. That wasn't an exaggeration at all. Dre had yet to redefine his sound, find new talent to cultivate, and was at risk of losing whatever budget he had to accomplish bothGee, I wonder what the production and marketing budget must have been for them to be "in the hole" after two platinum albums. That's bullshit. The videos and promotions for those albums weren't exactly Michael Jackson territory.Even on major labels, as long as you go 300,000 then you are making money. Firm was a number 1 album--some labels operate for years without a #1.Aftermath was winning, and you can't even include "production" and "marketing" expenses into your King T argument cause actually the reverse is true. Those production and marketing costs had already been spent. He'd already had a lead single and video, completed album, and advertisements--only thing left was to press and ship.The for whatever reason, maybe cause of the Eminem discover or moreso Dre's outrageous standards he decided last minute not to release it.Truth seems to be somewhere in between- you're right that they're exaggerating the failures but I think other people in the thread are right that Dre and the upper echelon of the people he was in business with and himself felt these projects were "failures" compared to his past successes.-T
Quote from: Tanjential on August 31, 2017, 08:45:09 AMQuote from: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on August 31, 2017, 06:18:17 AMQuote from: manny1 on August 27, 2017, 09:15:06 AMFirm and Aftermath Presents were indeed both massive flops that left the label in the hole. Massive production budgets, marketing, etc. Compared to what Dre had done prior, they were monumental failures. That's why T was shelved. No one could justify the expense of promotion etc. That wasn't an exaggeration at all. Dre had yet to redefine his sound, find new talent to cultivate, and was at risk of losing whatever budget he had to accomplish bothGee, I wonder what the production and marketing budget must have been for them to be "in the hole" after two platinum albums. That's bullshit. The videos and promotions for those albums weren't exactly Michael Jackson territory.Even on major labels, as long as you go 300,000 then you are making money. Firm was a number 1 album--some labels operate for years without a #1.Aftermath was winning, and you can't even include "production" and "marketing" expenses into your King T argument cause actually the reverse is true. Those production and marketing costs had already been spent. He'd already had a lead single and video, completed album, and advertisements--only thing left was to press and ship.The for whatever reason, maybe cause of the Eminem discover or moreso Dre's outrageous standards he decided last minute not to release it.Truth seems to be somewhere in between- you're right that they're exaggerating the failures but I think other people in the thread are right that Dre and the upper echelon of the people he was in business with and himself felt these projects were "failures" compared to his past successes.-TIf they would or said they were "critical" failures or even "flops" I'd be fine with that. Cause they were compared to Dre's previous work.But when Jimmy started acting like he was getting pressure to drop Dre and that they were in the hole money and all that shit...just to set up Jimmy to be able to say "I told them if you get rid of Dre you get rid of me". I say that's an embellishment. Critical disappointments, yes. But commercial failures, they weren't.Just listen to King T's most recent interview that was on here he said the vibe around Aftermath was that they were winning, because regardless the albums sold.
Quote from: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on August 31, 2017, 06:18:17 AMQuote from: manny1 on August 27, 2017, 09:15:06 AMFirm and Aftermath Presents were indeed both massive flops that left the label in the hole. Massive production budgets, marketing, etc. Compared to what Dre had done prior, they were monumental failures. That's why T was shelved. No one could justify the expense of promotion etc. That wasn't an exaggeration at all. Dre had yet to redefine his sound, find new talent to cultivate, and was at risk of losing whatever budget he had to accomplish bothGee, I wonder what the production and marketing budget must have been for them to be "in the hole" after two platinum albums. That's bullshit. The videos and promotions for those albums weren't exactly Michael Jackson territory.Even on major labels, as long as you go 300,000 then you are making money. Firm was a number 1 album--some labels operate for years without a #1.Aftermath was winning, and you can't even include "production" and "marketing" expenses into your King T argument cause actually the reverse is true. Those production and marketing costs had already been spent. He'd already had a lead single and video, completed album, and advertisements--only thing left was to press and ship.The for whatever reason, maybe cause of the Eminem discover or moreso Dre's outrageous standards he decided last minute not to release it.No money had been put in play to promote Hitt, T or anyone else on Aftermath.. those albums would have flopped a lot harder despite all of us checking for them. The label was looking for a Snoop, a Pac, etc. nothing revisionist about the fact they had yet to find that and thatvin itself was considered failure