ok...trauma you've said a lot of stuff in the past without backing it up...but i can't let this one slide...i want you to explain this:

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=50896

  lol this is when he usually stops posting.

Stick to selling Cell phones...

Complete Debunkings of BFC
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David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Dave Kopel, “National Review” magazine:
- http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel040403.asp

Richard Bushnell, Reporter, Editorialist, and owner of "Richwatch.com":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com (provides scene-by-scene expose’)


Debunkings of "Wacko Attacko" and other BFC-Defenses
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"Wacko Attacko" by Michael Moore:
- http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/index.php
Debunkings (by Myself, David Hardy, and Richard Bushnell):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/5729452
- http://www.hardylaw.net/replytomoore.html
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/wackoattacko.htm

"A Defense of Michael Moore" by Erik Moller
- http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/8/12/171427/607
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601619/board/nest/3465045

"The Truth About 'Truth About Bowling for Columbine'" by Tim Dudley
- http://www.bigsugar.wrestling-fan.com/truthaboutbowling.html
Debunking (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/4338868

The often heard "If He's Lying, why hasn't he been sued?" argument:
He IS being sued; CNN:
- http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/29/nichols.ap/
WHY he can't successfully be sued (by Myself):
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/5729452#5790052



Scene-Specific Debunkings
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The $245 Million was for food and first-aid:
Colin Powell
- http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/2928.htm
Elise Labott, CNN:
- http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/17/us.afghanistan.aid/index.html
U.S. Department of State:
- http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/pk1/wwwh00120801.html
- http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/3972.pdf
Brendan Nyhan, Spinsanity.org:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/posts/200106-3.html#12a
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2001_09_16_archive.html#5742282

What the Littleton LHM-plant REALLY does:
Michael W. Phillips, Jr.:
- http://www.geocities.com/evil_spoon/articles/bowlingforlockheed.htm

What Heston REALLY said in his "Hoya" interview:
Tim Sullivan, “The Hoya”:
- http://www.thehoya.com/news/033100/news3.htm

What the "48 Hours" line REALLY said:
Archive of “48 Hours” page (via http://www.archive.org):
-http://web.archive.org/web/20001003020449/http://www.nrahq.org/administration/publications/tag/article2.shtml
Heston's ACTUAL speech:
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior-Department:
- http://www.hardylaw.net/Bowlingtranscript.html(side-by-side comparison)
Worldnetdaily.com:
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16127

What the "Willie Horton" ad(s) REALLY looked like:
American Museum of Moving Image:
- http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,15,ss,, ("Revolving-Door Prison" ad)
- http://www.ammi.org/cgi-bin/video/years.cgi?1988,17,ss,, ("Willie Horton" ad)

The ACTUAL statistics:
FBI, "Nationmaster", "GunCite", and Bureau of Justice:
- http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/01cius.htm
- http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir
- http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap
- http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html
- http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt

Heston is NOT a racist:
Henry Levy, "Jewish Post of New York": (Heston wins CORE's "MLK Jr." award)
- http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0703/jpbr0703a.htm
"Montgomery Citizens":
- http://www.mcsm.org/hestonMLK.html
"HestFest": (some of Heston's Civil-Rights achievements):
- http://marhew.tripod.com/hestfest/id3.html

In-Depth Debunkings of BFC
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Ben Fritz, “Orange County Register”: (Requires Free-Membership)
- http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=20211§ion=COMMENTARY&
year=2003&month=1& (change "§" to "&-s-e-c-t", minus the dashes)

Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html

Anthony Zoubek, “The Daily Vidette:
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/406627.html
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/413482.html
- http://www.dailyvidette.com/news/417763.html

Kay S. Hymowitz, “City Journal”:
- http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html


Brief/Partial Debunkings
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Andrew Sullivan, “Andrewsullivan.com” and “Sunday Times of London”:
- http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20021208

John Fund, “The Wall Street Journal”:
- http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110003233

Mike Pesca, "On the Media":
- http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/transcripts/transcripts_120602_more.html

Garance Franke-Ruta, "The American Prospect" (A Democratic Magazine):
- http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2002/11/franke-ruta-g-11-22.html

Tim Blair, “The Australian” (newspaper):
- http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,5763232,00.html (criticizes both Moore AND Moore’s detractors)
- http://timblair.blogspot.com/2002_12_08_timblair_archive.html#85641893

Andy Patrizio, “IGN.com”:
- http://dvd.ign.com/articles/430/430335p1.html?fromint=1

Joseph Farah, "Worldnetdaily.com":
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32217
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34367

Debbie Schlussel, Tech Central Station:
- http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/defensewrapper.jsp?PID=1051-350&CID=1051-032503B

Matt Labash, “The Weekly Standard” magazine:
- http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/831ojymx.asp

Roger Ebert:
- http://www.suntimes.com/output/answ-man/sho-sunday-ebert23.html (responds to Moore)
- http://www.itsthecatsass.com/newboard/messages/37982.htm (answers Q's about BFC)

Brendan Nyhan, "Spinsanity":
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2003_08_31_archive.html#1062477905999081

Matthew Randazzo, IV, “Whateverdude.com”:
- http://www.whatever-dude.com/posts/327.shtml

Chuck Muth, "OpinionEditorials.com":
- http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/muth_20030425.html

Edward Johnson-Ott, "All-Reviews.com" (movie-review site):
- http://www.all-reviews.com/videos-5/bowling-for-columbine-5.htm (gives the movie a POSITIVE review)

Peter Wicks, "The Observer":
- http://www.nd.edu/~observer/04032003/Viewpoint/0.html

Daniel Lyons, “Forbes” magazine:
- http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372&_requestid=6287
- http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372 (Requires $3 purchase)



Debunkings by Pro-Gun Sites
(Keep in mind, pro-gun bias does not invalidate cold-hard facts.)
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James O. E. Norell, “NRA” (National Rifle Association) website:
- http://www.nrahq.org/publications/tag/feature6.asp

Larry Pratt, “gunowners.org”:
- http://gunowners.org/opmooretb.htm

Nicki Fellenzer, "Armed Females of America":
- http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/takingaim/idolworship.htm


Other BFC-Related Bits
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Moore invites victims' families to "preview screening", then charges admission:
Ann M. Ketcher, letter to "Rocky Mountain News":
- http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_2356875,00.html

Moore deceives Academy on purely technical grounds:
Joseph Farah, "Worldnetdaily.com":
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34367



Debunkings of Moore's non-BFC works/statements
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"Dude, Where's My Country?"
Bryan Keefer, "Spinsanity" Organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016.html
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016b.html
Richard Bushnell, Reporter, Editorialist, and owner of "Richwatch.com":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/dude.htm
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/dwmc.html (page under construction

"Stupid White Men"
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" Organization:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020403.html
Ben Fritz, "Salon" Magazine and "Salon.com": (Requires Paid-Membership)
- http://www.salon.com/politics/col/spinsanity/2002/04/03/moore/index_np.html
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/swm.html

Fahrenheit 9/11
David Hardy, Former Lawyer for the Interior Department:
- http://www.mooreexposed.com/f911.html (page in preparation)

"Downsize This!"
"Update Ghost", Epinions.com:
- http://www.epinions.com/content_118225800836

The "USA Patriot Act"; What it REALLY does vs. What Moore SAYS it does:
Jonah Goldberg, "National Review Online":
- http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/moore/online/patriotact.htm

Debunking Moore's "Post-9/11 FBI-Flight" Tale
Barbara and David P. Mikkelson, “Snopes.com” (Urban-Legends reference page):
- http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

Debunking one of Moore's letters to Bush
Brian Carnell, "Leftwatch.com":
- http://www.leftwatch.com/articles/2003/000004.html


Other Stuff
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Anti-Moore Sites:
Various columnists and contributors:
- http://www.moorewatch.com (contains OVER 300 articles)
- http://www.mooreexposed.com
- http://www.moorelies.com

Moore (famous for filming people without consent) files a complaint against a man for filming MOORE without consent:
John Tierney, "The New York Times":
- http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/regional/061700ny-col-tierney.html
Opinion Telegraph (profile, no author):
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/03/30/do3009.xml

Moore is caught in a lie about how many media-appearances he made:
Tim Blair, "The Australian":
- http://timblair.blogspot.com/2002_12_01_timblair_archive.html#85345233

"Michael Moore Enjoying Corporate High-Life"
Carl Limbacher and "Newsmax.com" staff:
- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/10/31/173730.shtml

"Michael & Me"; Moore refuses to be interviewed about his alleged lying:
Joseph Farah, Worldnetdaily.com:
- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34397

"Is Film-Maker Michael Moore a Bigot?"
Larry Elder, Author of "Showdown" and "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America":
- http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/le20030116.shtml

The origins of "The List" in "Stupid White Men":
Ben Fritz, "Spinsanity" organization (Watchdog Group for Political Rhetoric):
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_04_07_archive.html#75241524

Debunking various statements made by Moore:
Bryan Keefer, “Spinsanity”:
- http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_06_23_archive.html#85204379
Gregory Markle, "Realpolitik.us":
- http://realpolitik.us/archives/000309.php#000309

Some hypocritical statements made by Moore:
Tim Blair, "Fox News":
- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48562,00.html
"Celebrity Hypocrites":
- http://www.celebrityhypocrites.com/mmoore.html

Politics and Hypocrisy in Hollywood:
Jan Golab, “Front Page Magazine”:
- http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6617

Moore attempts to hide a statement he made:
Paul Boutin, "Wired" magazine and "Wired.com":
- http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56524,00.html

Interviews in which Moore evades criticism and double-talks:
Lou Dobbs, CNN’s “Moneyline with Lou Dobbs”:
- http://www.cnn.com/transcripts/0204/12/mlld.00.html
Buchanon and Press:
- http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/955443.asp?cp1=1


This is all from:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/nest/2988799

i'm not asking him to believe the facts micheal moore presented...i'm asking him to explain to me what (morally) he didn't agree with in that movie.

Quote from: Now_I_Know on April 20, 2004, 10:21:16 PM

^^Can someone please sum this up for me...LOL

I can sum it up in 4 words for you:

TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA

lmao thankyou

Quote from: Now_I_Know on April 20, 2004, 10:21:16 PM

^^Can someone please sum this up for me...LOL

I can sum it up in 4 words for you:

TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA

Hey Jamal..

i'm not asking him to believe the facts micheal moore presented...i'm asking him to explain to me what (morally) he didn't agree with in that movie.

First off, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.  "REFUTE THIS!!!" "WHAT DONT YOU MORALLY AGREE WITH???!@!!???/"  


I never said I morally disagreed with the movie.  I never said anything in the movie was false, although most likely it all is, lol.  I haven't even seen the movie, and I never will see the movie.  Why?


Michael Moore makes it a practice to make money off dogging the conservative whitehouse.  He is a liberal.  He has a 1 sided view of everything, in his opinion, no conservative can do right, and no liberal can do wrong.  The man makes me sick, just looking at his fat slimey liberal ass.  I'm getting a sick feeling in my stomach from this putrid piece of shit right now.  You'll never catch me dead watching the movie, because it's entire purpose is to blame the government, for what happened at Columbine.  

In my opinion, what happened at Columbine was a personal problem these kids had, and the lack of good parental skills by their parents.  Therefore, the entire premise of Michael Moore's movie is invalid.

Like I said though, I didn't even say I morally disagreed with it.  I said that it's liberal bullshit like this that shouldn't be taught in schools.  I mentioned they should review Rush Limbaugh's new book; that would be equally out of place, wouldn't it?  You'd never dream of reading Rush's book in school, because it's political, and school shouldn't be political.  The same thing with Moore's bullshit liberal, political, movie.  It has NO place in a school system.

Go around saying whatever you want about me, but the truth is, like usual, I'm right.   All of you that said I wouldn't reply, obviously don't know me well; and, you're wrong.  LOL.  


So, to sum it up for the intellectulally inferior, I never said whatever the fuck you've variously attributed to me on this statement, all I said was the movie was liberal bullshit that has no place in a school.  I stand by that, and if you ask any school teacher, they'll tell you the same thing; politics don't belong in a school.  

This movie tells kids that they're not responsible for killing other kids, lol I mean what the fuck is wrong with the world?  

lmao...after i read this:

I haven't even seen the movie, and I never will see the movie.  Why?

i only scanned through what you said because you lost all credibility over arguing anything in this movie...but i'd like to point out one thing i did read that you said:

In my opinion, what happened at Columbine was a personal problem these kids had, and the lack of good parental skills by their parents.  Therefore, the entire premise of Michael Moore's movie is invalid.

you fucking idiot...that was michael moores point in the movie jackass! his point was that people need to stop blaming marilyn manson for it and start blaming who's really at fault.

This movie tells kids that they're not responsible for killing other kids, lol I mean what the fuck is wrong with the world?  

i would love for you to watch this movie and show me where it says that...because this movie SAYS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE YOU FUCKING DUMBASS

wow trauma...i was actually willing to listen to a valid explanation if you had one...but you really are a dipshit.