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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #105 on: February 09, 2006, 04:03:15 PM »
^ Ey I promised Seer I would stop harassin u
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #106 on: February 09, 2006, 04:10:22 PM »
Good, that'll save you for the embarrassment when your theories/ideas are proved wrong.
 

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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #107 on: February 09, 2006, 06:48:01 PM »
Jamal the WCC spell checker/gay porn reviewer haven't proved anything in this thread, except calling Real American a Polish faggot, and me a chump fruitcake/dumbfuck, I could hire a retard to say the same.

So you're admitting that even a retard would be able to realize that you're a fruitcake/dumbfuck? Great. I knew it was obvious... but if you're saying it's THAT obvious.. then be it.  :D 8) :-*
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #108 on: February 10, 2006, 03:14:59 AM »
Yeah yeah, very funny Jerry, but you still haven't proved that the newspaper had a "contest to see who could portray muslims "most maliciously", which was the point you made of the thread in the first place.. the cartoons are not illegal, some muslims felt insulted by them, life goes on.. and that's the conclusion of this thread.  8)

http://www.asiantribune.com/show_article.php?id=3004

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Date : 2006-02-10
Denmark and Jyllands-Posten: The background to a provocation
By Peter Schwarz – World Socialist Web Site

The basic lie in the controversy over the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad published by Danish and European newspapers is the claim that the conflict is between free speech and religious censorship, or between Western enlightenment and Islamic bigotry.

The taz newspaper, which has close links to the German Greens, declared the conflict was about reducing the influence of all religions, including Christianity, "to a tolerable measure." In Spiegel.online, Henryk M. Broder condemned the halfhearted apology made by the publishers of the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten, which unleashed the caricature controversy, as an "example of how democratic public opinion capitulates to a totalitarian standpoint."

An examination of the prevailing political conditions in Denmark reveals how bogus such arguments are. One would be hard pressed to find another European country where political changes over the past few years have found such a clear—and repellent—expression.

In a country renowned for its tolerance and openness, the social crisis and the betrayals carried out by the old working class organizations have opened the way for the emergence of political forces which systematically encourage xenophobia and racism. The newspaper Jyllands-Posten has played a prominent role in this process.

Last autumn Jyllands-Posten assigned 40 prominent Danish caricaturists to draw the Prophet Muhammad. Twelve responded and the results were published on September 30. The project was deliberately designed to provoke.

According to the cultural editor of the newspaper, Flemming Rose, it was aimed at "testing the limits of self-censorship in Danish public opinion" when it comes to Islam and Muslims. He added: "In a secular society, Muslims have to live with the fact of being ridiculed, scoffed at and made to look ridiculous."

When the anticipated reaction by the Muslim community failed to arise, the newspaper continued its campaign, determined to create a full-scale scandal. After a week had gone by without protest, journalists turned on Danish Islamic religious leaders who were well known for their fundamentalist views and demanded: "Why don’t you protest?" Eventually, the latter reacted and alerted their co-thinkers in the Middle East.


At this point the head of the Danish government, Andres Fogh Rasmussen, and the xenophobic Danish People’s Party, which is part of the ruling coalition, swung into action. Fogh Rasmussen demonstratively turned down appeals by concerned Arab ambassadors for talks to clarify the issue. Even after 22 former Danish ambassadors appealed to the prime minister to hold discussions with the representatives of Islamic states, Rasmussen maintained his stance, arguing that "freedom of the press" could not be a topic for diplomatic discussion.

The chairperson of the Danish People’s Party, Pia Kjaersgaard, insulted Danish Muslims who complained about the caricatures, publicly denouncing them as national traitors because they supposedly placed their religious beliefs above free speech.

From the start, the campaign had nothing to do with "free speech" and everything to do with the political agenda of the Fogh Rasmussen government, comprising of a coalition of right-wing neo-liberals and conservatives, together with the Danish People’s Party.

i'd like to see another source supporting this article, but the arguments made here are damaging.
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2006, 04:24:27 AM »
i`m starting to get angry about this kind of muslims
i understand that you`ve to be careful, especially in this time, when you make jokes with a religious background but this kind of reaction is not acceptable...
eurpoean countries support the muslim world financial and this this is the way we get payback?
several attacks on european institutions because of one bad cartoon in a newspaper??
 

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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2006, 03:13:20 PM »
i'd like to see another source supporting this article, but the arguments made here are damaging.

There is nothing damaging in that article. Plain and simple, newspapers have the right to print anything they want regardless of what other people think. Who cares if the editor did or did not print a Jesus cartoon from a year ago? The fact is Christianity still gets criticized and maligned all the time in the West and no one really gets upset. When Islam finally got its turn to be maligned what resulted was worldwide violence.

ALL RELIGIONS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO CRITICISM!!!!!
 

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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2006, 03:25:40 PM »
i'd like to see another source supporting this article, but the arguments made here are damaging.

I doubt you'll find that, all the news stories I've seen on the issue contradicts this story on many vital issues, and the author of this being from "World Socialist Web Site", casts shadows over his credibility, when opposed/compared to national and international news associations/agencies all over the world.
The number of caricaturists is wrong when compared to all other medias, and the "Why don’t you protest?" part seems very odd, why is no one else reporting this ??

I call socialist BS until proven otherwise, or more credible sources arrive.
 

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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2006, 04:17:57 PM »
The number of caricaturists is wrong when compared to all other medias, and the "Why don’t you protest?" part seems very odd, why is no one else reporting this ??

I call socialist BS until proven otherwise, or more credible sources arrive.

this was reported on link tv today by dr james zogby on his show viewpoint.  so that is now a corroborating source.  dr zogby is the president of the arab american institute.  i'll try to find a transcript or another link, he was on with a u.s. ambassador today and this point was brought up.
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #113 on: February 10, 2006, 04:24:00 PM »
ALL RELIGIONS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO CRITICISM!!!!!

i'm amused that you stated this.  dr zogby actually made this exact opposite argument on his show today.  his argument was basically:
"the true test of an open society is not that all taboo's are fair game for ridicule, but how many taboo's that society can respect".

while this is going on with the caricature of mohammad, the germans have extradited and are prosecuting an individual from canada for making anti-semitic remarks and denying the halocaust.  why is mocking islam protected by free speech but anti-semitic remarks criminal?

islam is not shown the same respect. 
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #114 on: February 10, 2006, 04:35:51 PM »

To my mind you would only criminalise a thought, if its getting to near the truth what do the jews have to hide that they would go to such lengths to make the actually debate of the holocaust an illegal and anything published to the contray of what they say an act of hatred. Personally I do not know enough about the holocaust to give my account of what I think so I am not getting into that one but to criminalise thought.......obviously the truth isnt the one being portrayed. As for your other comment indeed this is the hypocrisy, i made reference to the jewish owners preventing the release oi a michael jackson song because it contained anti semetic lyrics. This is the illiusion they are painting so that europeans in a general sense think the muslims are trying to rob us of our freedom of speech, even though its the government who are actively doing that for us.
 

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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #115 on: February 10, 2006, 09:32:29 PM »
"the true test of an open society is not that all taboo's are fair game for ridicule, but how many taboo's that society can respect".

On point.
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2006, 08:08:30 AM »
"the true test of an open society is not that all taboo's are fair game for ridicule, but how many taboo's that society can respect".

On point.


That isn't on point, it is an incredibly dumb statement. Ridicule isn't intolerance. Intolerance is not allowing people to freely practice their religion, seek converts, etc. Pretty much anything that prevents people from freely doing what they want. Unfortunately, that sums up the situation in the Middle East with the oppression of non-Muslims. Now all of a sudden with these dumb cartoons, Muslims care about religious tolerance? Give me a break. How bigoted can you be?
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2006, 10:23:10 AM »
Ey whats worse? Being Polish? Or living in Ohio?
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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2006, 10:59:30 AM »
"the true test of an open society is not that all taboo's are fair game for ridicule, but how many taboo's that society can respect".

On point.


That isn't on point, it is an incredibly dumb statement. Ridicule isn't intolerance. Intolerance is not allowing people to freely practice their religion, seek converts, etc. Pretty much anything that prevents people from freely doing what they want. Unfortunately, that sums up the situation in the Middle East with the oppression of non-Muslims. Now all of a sudden with these dumb cartoons, Muslims care about religious tolerance? Give me a break. How bigoted can you be?
i guess ure in the same hole as the muslims then cause not allowing blacks the same opportunities as whites makes your country just as intolerant. i'm studying in MA so i would know just how blacks are treated here. lol i bet you are proud to be an 'american' arent u? knowing that thousands of blacks fought for this country u call 'free' but then found out that the GI bill fucked them over since they werent allowed to move into the white neighborhoods as their economic value would decrease. have your president issue an apology to the blacks for slavery and for making them pick cotton, then come talk about intolerance and freedom.
 

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Re: Muslims versus Denmark
« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2006, 12:58:38 PM »
"the true test of an open society is not that all taboo's are fair game for ridicule, but how many taboo's that society can respect".

On point.


That isn't on point, it is an incredibly dumb statement. Ridicule isn't intolerance. Intolerance is not allowing people to freely practice their religion, seek converts, etc. Pretty much anything that prevents people from freely doing what they want. Unfortunately, that sums up the situation in the Middle East with the oppression of non-Muslims. Now all of a sudden with these dumb cartoons, Muslims care about religious tolerance? Give me a break. How bigoted can you be?

Here's the thing Polack... many Muslims, including myself, don't support the corrupt governments in the Middle East.... but you know who does?... your government.

How bigoted can one be? I think you set the bar on that one.
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