By the way, America unjustly killed about 700 people in Somalia the other day...

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

I don't know what your seeing in the media there, but here's an article about the situation.


Wednesday, Jan. 10, 2007

A Somali Jihadist: We're Not Al-Qaeda

Said Ali, 21, is a volunteer fighter for the Shabab militia, the feared enforcers of the Islamic Courts Union. The U.S. brands the organization as an ally of al-Qaeda; in reality, it is also a nationalist anti-warlord movement that contains many Muslim moderates and has no international ambitions. He was 11 when he left his village in southern Somalia and traveled to Mogadishu to look for an education. But all public education had collapsed with the last functioning government in 1991, leaving private school the only option. And Said Ali, like most of his generation, was unable to afford the fees. Instead, he found a job as a porter, and then graduated to selling shirts and kikoi wraps by the side of the road. In time, he was given a job inside a clothes store in Bakara Market, where he earned about 10,000 Somali shillings (80 cents) a day. But often he would be forced to hand over his earnings to armed militias blocking the roads on his way home. He came out of hiding in central Mogadishu to meet TIME's Alex Perry.

TIME: How did you join the Shabab?

Ali: I was very angry with the militias. I decided to go to the training camps because I was tired of being robbed at roadblocks. At that time, before the Courts came to power, you could see someone kill a friend of yours, you could see a friend of yours robbed, the situation was as bad as that. The Shabab were good people. They trained you to defend your people.... There were reserve troops and frontline troops. And after 2004, we fought against the warlords and thankfully we were successful.

TIME: What sort of training did you get?

Ali: How to handle a gun, how to defend, how to attack, how to drive a car, first aid, how to repair a weapon and endurance exercises. I would end my work then go for training from 4 o'clock until midnight. We were trained at a base in Mogadishu.

TIME: Tell me about the war these past few weeks against Ethiopia.

Ali: My position was at the front. Our plan was to sandwich the Transitional Federal Government (T.F.G.) at their base in Baidoa (in southwest Somalia). But then the Ethiopians crossed the border behind us. We fought them, but there were bad people helping us, gangsters and thugs, there was misinformation, and this caused our defeat.

TIME: Was it hard fighting?

Ali: Many died from their injuries. It was hand to hand fighting. You have to kill people with your knife. One of my group climbed onto an Ethiopian tank and dropped a grenade inside the tank, but there was no blast and the tank just drove away. It was our duty to die at the front instead of being under occupation here in Mogadishu. Everyone prayed they would be killed at the front.

TIME: Did you have any doubts about what you were doing?

Ali: No, it was excellent. To defend your religion and your country — which is the same thing — was excellent. It wasn't our intention to fight Ethiopia; our purpose was to defend the people from the warlords. But it was excellent.

TIME: How did you get away?

Ali: We threw our guns down and took off our uniforms and set off on foot for the city. A friend sold his gun to some local people and paid for a bus ride for three of us back to Mogadishu. I went back to my workplace — now I work in a public telephone booth, connecting calls and selling pre-paid cards.

TIME: What's the plan now?

Ali: We want the Ethiopians out and we are preparing to fight them. We are ready, we are in Mogadishu. A few pockets of us are outside. We have a full connection with our leaders, and they are also inside Mogadishu. And when we start to fight, other people will come from Mogadishu to join us. We will come back more powerful than before, and we will clean those traitors among us away.

TIME: Some people believe you have connections with al Qaeda.

Ali: The warlords used to send people out of the country, saying there were al-Qaeda. They took one of my neighbors to Addis Ababa and said he was an al-Qaeda terrorist. But the Ethiopians said he was not, and they did not want him. And the man came back to Mogadishu and told us what had happened to him. That's why we know that we have to defend our religion against Ethiopia.

TIME: What do you make of [al-Qaeda leader] Ayman al-Zawahiri's call for Somalis to rise up against Ethiopia?

Ali: We are not a special group. We are the Somali people. What we're doing is in the interests of all Somalis. People used to criticize the Courts when they were in power, saying they pressured people and did not allow this or that. But now people will see what happens without the Courts. If the Ethiopians go away, the Courts will come back and peace will come. I cannot speak English or Arabic — the warlords did that to me. I've never seen a government in my life, and the Ethiopians took away the only security I've ever experienced. People think our group is something else — al-Qaeda. We're not. We fight for the people. We fight for Somalia. If this government understands that its people need security, then that will be ok. But security has to come. And if al-Zawahiri says the people should do this or that, it could be right or wrong. He is not from here.

TIME: Have you ever seen any foreigners working with the Courts? [Reliable witness reports estimate that several hundred foreign jihadi fighters helped the Courts. ]

Ali: I have been with Sheikh [Ahmed] Sharif and Sheikh [Hassan Dahir] Aweys and I also heard that al-Qaeda foreigners were fighting in Somalia. But I have not seen any.

TIME: What do you make of the U.S. role in the region?

Ali: It's Americans who are now attacking us. Americans are using Ethiopians to kill us. If America is an enemy of Islam, then I am an enemy of America — and America does many things against Islam. When the warlords were here, America wasn't around. So when we defeated the warlords, why did they come back? But the Ethiopians are not just coming to kill Muslims. They also want our long coast. This is the game.

TIME: Isn't the need of the hour to unite and back a national government?

Ali: I do not see any government here. I see only Ethiopians. I don't see a single Somali soldier.

TIME: You're not going to give the new government a chance?

Ali: Their chance is over. [Prime Minister Ali Mohammed] Gedi and [President Abduallah] Yusuf are nothing. They never get out of their pick-ups. What chance can they have after this?

TIME: What the plan for starting the rebellion?

Ali: The people and the Ethiopians will clash. [Hours after this interview, Somali demonstrators did fight Ethiopian troops at several points across the city.] And at that time, we will attack. We want the people to face the Ethiopians and when the people are ready, we will take action.

[REGIME MOB 510]

wow, america unjustly kills some more muslims, what else is new.  as nik would say, "get off our nuts, you nutriders" 

[WestCoasta]

America killed them?

I don't ever recall taking part in this

[Samoan Enforcer]

America killed them?

I don't ever recall taking part in this

thats crazy dog neither do i, i'm America too....so is the guy who posted this article

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

America killed them?

I don't ever recall taking part in this

So then let's be more specific, do you approve or dissaprove of what the US government did?

[Samoan Enforcer]

hows desert life bryguy?

[Low Key]

The US government also saved thousands of Somali refugees, with most of them coming here to Minnesota. And what do they do? They complain about America and murder innocent people. That's the law was just changed which now states refugees can now be sent back to their country if they commit felonies.

I'm not condoning the killing of others, but the Somalis have been less than gracious since coming here and basking in the freedom we call America.

[IRAN iz Gangsta!]

This is what US does best...

[WestCoasta]

America killed them?

I don't ever recall taking part in this

So then let's be more specific, do you approve or dissaprove of what the US government did?

I dissaprove..... I'm not IRAN IZ GANGSTA, I don't have blind 'patriotism'

what you don't seem to get is that there are actually people in America that don't agree with the govt

just because some pricks in the military wanna do some shady business, it doesn't mean it represents America

but nah I think you're too close minded like everyone else thinking America is a bunch of Bush loving southerners

since that's pretty much the case, I'll continue thinking every soul in the Middle East is a terrorist with no purpose in life

[big mat]

everybody got's to die son

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Allah choses when everyone must die. It is His will that these Somalians are killed.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

The US government also saved thousands of Somali refugees, with most of them coming here to Minnesota. And what do they do? They complain about America and murder innocent people. That's the law was just changed which now states refugees can now be sent back to their country if they commit felonies.

I'm not condoning the killing of others, but the Somalis have been less than gracious since coming here and basking in the freedom we call America.

So if I destroy your house, then you should be grateful to me if I give you a room in my basement?

[IRAN iz Gangsta!]

America killed them?

I don't ever recall taking part in this

So then let's be more specific, do you approve or dissaprove of what the US government did?

I dissaprove..... I'm not IRAN IZ GANGSTA, I don't have blind 'patriotism'

what you don't seem to get is that there are actually people in America that don't agree with the govt

just because some pricks in the military wanna do some shady business, it doesn't mean it represents America

but nah I think you're too close minded like everyone else thinking America is a bunch of Bush loving southerners

since that's pretty much the case, I'll continue thinking every soul in the Middle East is a terrorist with no purpose in life

Likewise

[Low Key]

The US government also saved thousands of Somali refugees, with most of them coming here to Minnesota. And what do they do? They complain about America and murder innocent people. That's the law was just changed which now states refugees can now be sent back to their country if they commit felonies.

I'm not condoning the killing of others, but the Somalis have been less than gracious since coming here and basking in the freedom we call America.

So if I destroy your house, then you should be grateful to me if I give you a room in my basement?

Somalia's civil war was why they came here in the first place. It's not like the US government went in there and killed people, then sent refugees here. It was their own people that took over the land and killed innocent people first.

If you want to break it down in an analogy, they destroyed their own house and their next door neighbor was nice enough to let them crash there while they rebuilt their lives, but instead they trashed the house and bitch because it's not clean enough.

Don't play the blame game with me kid. I have no malice towards anyone until they give me reason. Fact of the matter is, most of the female Somalis used to walk around my high school with blades like they were still in a war torn land and a couple of them actually used them, mostly for frivolous reasons.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Somalia's civil war was why they came here in the first place. It's not like the US government went in there and killed people, then sent refugees here. It was their own people that took over the land and killed innocent people first.

If you want to break it down in an analogy, they destroyed their own house and their next door neighbor was nice enough to let them crash there while they rebuilt their lives, but instead they trashed the house and bitch because it's not clean enough.

Don't play the blame game with me kid. I have no malice towards anyone until they give me reason. Fact of the matter is, most of the female Somalis used to walk around my high school with blades like they were still in a war torn land and a couple of them actually used them, mostly for frivolous reasons.

That is a joke man.  You met a few bad Somalians and now you are likening them to the Crips and Bloods.   I've had far more interaction then you have with the Somalian community, whether in the US or where I'm at now in the UAE.  Somalians are some of the most generous and kindhearted people you will ever find, and they are also excell all others in bravery.  I'm sure it's possible that there are exceptional cases where this bravery is misdirected but that does not represent all Somali's.

Also, as far as America, when trouble occured in Somalia, as usual America started trying to figure a way to manipulate the situation.  Don't forget the Black Hawk Down incident when America thought they could murder 1,000's of Somalians just to find TWO wanted men.  They went there to capture TWO people, and as soon as they faced the slightest resistance they started obliterating the whole city to pieces. All for two men!  And that was when Clinton (an intelligent man) was in office, so you can imagine how much worse it is now with Bush in office (a crusader).

I'm not simply trying to oppose America at every turn, because actually I think they have been more then accomadating in allowing so many 100's of thousands of Somalians to find refuge here and establish businesses and raise families.  Now the Somalians were able to vote Kieth Ellison (first ever Muslim congressman) into congress in Minnesota.  So I do salute America for their genorosity in that regard.