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P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem= GOAT center.

Truest shit in this Thread..
Kareem Would be the best in any era, even today dude would be unstoppable in the paint.

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P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem= GOAT center.

Truest shit in this Thread..
Kareem Would be the best in any era, even today dude would be unstoppable in the paint.

guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing and Robinson would've schooled him.  well maybe not David  but the other 3    guys these days are just larger and better and still the same height as him.

Kareem would look like Yao Ming compared to them lol


Hakeem blocked one of his hook shots according to wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_shot

i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch

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P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem= GOAT center.

Truest shit in this Thread..
Kareem Would be the best in any era, even today dude would be unstoppable in the paint.

guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing and Robinson would've schooled him.  well maybe not David  but the other 3    guys these days are just larger and better and still the same height as him.

Kareem would look like Yao Ming compared to them lol


Hakeem blocked one of his hook shots according to wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_shot

i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch

LMFAO@Ewing schooling Kareem. Kareem used to shit on Ewing and Hakeem as an old man. Basketball was TOGHER in the 80s. Shame on you for making outrageous claims. Learn your basketball history before you say weird ass shit and make yourself look like a fool.

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i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch

<a href="http://youtube.com/v/eYjsFUUnvw8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://youtube.com/v/eYjsFUUnvw8</a>

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i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch

<a href="http://youtube.com/v/eYjsFUUnvw8" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://youtube.com/v/eYjsFUUnvw8</a>

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but i stand by my Hakeem = best center of all time not named Bill or Wilt comments  

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^that's ridiculous.

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^that's ridiculous.

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The following excerpt is from Elliott Kalb's first book, "Who’s Better, Who’s Best in Basketball?" Kalb, 42, one of network television’s leading information men for the last two decades, has closely followed the NBA for nearly 35 years. Upon graduating from the University of Massachusetts, Kalb was one of the first employees of NBA Entertainment (then NBA Films) where he logged nearly every game of the 1983-84 season, and produced features that aired on national broadcasts. Kalb became NBC Sports’ Senior Statistician and Director of Information on its NBA coverage beginning in 1990. When the NBA moved to ABC, Kalb moved with it, extending his streak of working every NBA Finals game for 13 years.


Olajuwon
MVP: 1
MVP Voting: 6 years in the Top 5: 4th in 1986, 2nd in 1993, 1st in 1994, 4th in 1996
NBA Titles: 2
All-NBA First Team: 6
All-NBA Second Team: 3

Hakeem Olajuwon grew up in Nigeria and didn’t even pick up a basketball until he was nearly 17. It’s an incredible story that just a few years later, he was playing for the national championship at the University of Houston. No center in history has played more games for a franchise than Hakeem Olajuwon did for the Houston Rockets between 1985-2001. Only four players -- John Stockton and Karl Malone of the Jazz, John Havlicek of the Celtics, and Reggie Miller of the Pacers -- ever played more games for one team.

Most games played at center for a franchise
Games Player Team
1,177 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston
1,106 Robert Parish Boston
1,093 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1,039 Patrick Ewing New York
He grew to love the city of Houston, and the city of Houston loved him back.

He was the first player picked in the 1984 NBA Draft. It’s a testament to Olajuwon that no one ever criticized the selection, despite the Rockets bypassing Michael Jordan.

Now, Olajuwon wasn’t at the top of his game for each of those 1,177 contests. But he was at the top for a very long period of time. He was voted All-NBA Second Team back in 1986. He was voted All-NBA Third Team in 1999. He was one of the two or three best centers in the game 13 years apart.

The Rockets have really had a history of great centers. Following the 2003 regular season, the NBA’s top seven scorers included three men who played at center for the Rockets (Moses Malone, Elvin Hayes and Hakeem). The 2003 season brought another All-Star center to Houston—Yao Ming.

Olajuwon had so many skills. On March 29, 1990, he had a quadruple-double against the Milwaukee Bucks. In that game, he had 18 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists, and 11 blocked shots.

Most Points Per Game, NBA Finals (min. 10 games)
Player Games PPG
Rick Barry 10 36.3
Shaquille O’Neal 19 34.2
Michael Jordan 35 33.6
Jerry West 55 30.5
Bob Pettit 25 28.4
Hakeem Olajuwon 17 27.5
He is so highly thought of, in large part because of his postseason play.

Olajuwon blocked 54 shots in those 17 Finals games, more than three per game. Since they started keeping blocks in 1974, only one player (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) has more blocks in the Finals. And, of course, Abdul Jabbar has played many more games.

Olajuwon was unstoppable in the 1986 Finals, averaging more than 25 points, 12 rebounds, and three blocked shots against the greatest frontcourt in history. The 1986 Celtics were 40-1 at home and 10-0 in the postseason at home. Olajuwon’s eight blocks in the fifth game cut the Celtics lead to 3-2.

Olajuwon is one of the greatest big game players in history. Most of the other legendary players who were known as Clutch or Big Game performers (Jerry West, Reggie Miller, Michael Jordan) were perimeter players who handled the ball and were always able to get their shot off. Olajuwon was the finest big game center that ever played.

Olajuwon:


Regular season: 21.8 points per game
First 3 rounds playoffs: 25.6 points per game
17 Finals games: 27.5 points per game
Now, compare that to his two closest contemporaries.

David Robinson:


Regular season: 21.9 points per game
100 playoff games: 20.4 points per game
Patrick Ewing:

Regular season: 20.9 points per game
139 playoff games: 20.2 points per game
In mano-a-man playoff action, Olajuwon clearly outplayed both Robinson and Ewing. In the 1995 Finals, he clearly outplayed O’Neal—although it was a little unfair, with Hakeem being in the prime of his career and Shaq being only at the very beginning of his.

Hakeem vs Robinson: 1995 Western Conference Finals
First, let’s set up the participants. David Robinson was the MVP in 1995, the league’s best player. The Spurs had the better team, and the home court advantage in the series.

Do you remember what happened?

The Rockets took the first two games in San Antonio. The Spurs came back and won the next two games in Houston. The Rockets won the next two games to take the series 4-2.

David Robinson in series: 23.8 points 11.3 rebounds 2.7 assists 1.5 steals
Hakeem Olajuwon in series: 35.3 points 12.5 rebounds 5.0 assists 4.1 blocks 1.3 steals


Game 1: Olajuwon: 27 pts - Robinson 21 pts
Game 2: Olajuwon: 41 pts - Robinson 32 pts
Game 3: Olajuwon: 43 pts - Robinson 29 pts
Game 4: Olajuwon: 20 pts - Robinson 20 pts
Game 5: Olajuwon: 42 pts - Robinson 22 pts
Game 6: Olajuwon: 39 pts - Robinson 19 pts
I can’t find a more dominating performance against a league MVP on a superior team in the postseason. In the last two games, Hakeem outscored Robinson 81-41.

Sean Elliott: “It was the most dominating performance by a player that I was ever witness to. But I blame our (San Antonio’s) marketing department. Hakeem had won the MVP award the previous year, and felt he deserved it in 1995. David won it, and it was announced right before our (Western Conference Finals) series started. The first game was in San Antonio, and they put together a tape with a collage of great Robinson plays. I found out later that the tape (and the naming of Robinson as MVP) spurred Olajuwon to new heights. Olajuwon was just unstoppable. But it wasn’t just David’s fault. Dennis (Rodman) was intent on getting every rebound, but he wouldn’t come out and guard anyone. That’s why Robert Horry killed us in that series. Dennis wouldn’t guard him! That doesn’t take anything away from Hakeem in the series. He was just awesome.”

Hakeem vs Ewing: 1994 NBA Finals

Game 1: Olajuwon 28 pts - Ewing 23 pts
Game 2: Olajuwon 25 pts - Ewing 16 pts
Game 3: Olajuwon 21 pts - Ewing 18 pts
Game 4: Olajuwon 32 pts - Ewing 15 pts
Game 5: Olajuwon 27 pts - Ewing 25 pts
Game 6: Olajuwon 30 pts - Ewing 19 pts
Game 7: Olajuwon 25 pts - Ewing 17 pts
Patrick Ewing in series: 18.9 points .363 FG%
Hakeem Olajuwon in series: 26.9 points .500 FG%

Olajuwon outscored Ewing in all seven games. In the two regular season games played between Olajuwon and Ewing in 1994, Olajuwon averaged 33 points and 16.5 rebounds to Ewing’s 12.0 and 9.5.

Hakeem vs Shaquille O’Neal: 1995 NBA Finals

Game 1: Olajuwon: 31 pts - O’Neal 26 pts
Game 2: Olajuwon: 34 pts - O’Neal 33 pts
Game 3: Olajuwon: 31 pts - O’Neal 28 pts
Game 4: Olajuwon: 35 pts - O’Neal 25 pts
By the end of those 1995 Finals, Olajuwon was clearly ahead of Robinson and Ewing.

Shaquille O’Neal, in a 1995 interview, called Olajuwon the best center in the game. “He’s got great moves, a great attitude. He’s a class act. I have no problem with Hakeem being called the best player in the game.” Of course, at the time, Olajuwon and O’Neal were represented by the same agent and agency. But O’Neal was giving respect to the right player.

Moses Malone (NBA totals only): 1,329 games 45,071 minutes 27,409 pts 20.6 ppg
Hakeem Olajuwon: 1,238 games 44,222 minutes 26,946 pts 21.8 ppg

But Moses and Hakeem scored their 27,000 points very differently. Moses Malone did all his work under the basket, or on the free throw line.

Moses Malone: 11,090 free throw attempts (8.3 FT attempts per game)
Hakeem Olajuwon: 7,621 free throw attempts (6.1 FT attempts per game)

Olajuwon used the shake and bake moves, ran the court better than most big men, and was able to time his jumps to block shots. He took a lot of outside shots, and perhaps that added to his longevity.

Who’s Better, Who’s Best…Hakeem Olajuwon or Amare Stoudemire
One of Hakeem’s former teammates, Eddie Johnson, was a radio analyist for the 2003 Phoenix Suns, and observed the raw rookie Stoudemire. Johnson told me that Amare mirrors Hakeem in so many ways. Hakeem had those cat-quick moves in the post. And so did Amare. Hakeem had the spin moves and loved to harass guards and was able to get a lot of steals. Johnson saw all of those traits in Stoudemire. Amare has a long way to go, but to remind former people of Hakeem Olajuwon at such a young age speaks volumes about the rising Sun.

Other ways to measure Olajuwon’s greatness:
I remember when Doug Collins would tell me how great Michael Jordan played for him in 1987 and 1988. He loved the fact that Jordan had at least 100 steals and 100 blocks in the season (Jordan had 125 and 131 blocks those two seasons, the only two in which he went over 100 blocks).

Since they began keeping blocks and steals (1974), the feat of getting at least 100 of each has only been done about 110 times in almost 30 years. Obviously, it favors a big man, because guards just don’t average over a block per game. Moses Malone never did it. Kevin McHale never did it. Shaquille O’Neal never did it. Patrick Ewing did it twice. David Robinson did it seven times. Hakeem Olajuwon did it 12 times.

He would have done it 13 times, but in his rookie season, he had just 99 steals. He would have done it in 1999, but they only played 50 games that season. O’Neal had 82 steals in those 50 games.

Olajuwon - in 1989 - did something no one ever did (of course, we don’t know how many blocks and steals Wilt and his peers would have been credited). He had 213 steals and 282 blocks that season and 13 seasons straight of at least 100 steals and 200 blocks.

Most Career Blocks
Player Blocks
Hakeem Olajuwon 3,830 
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3,189
Mark Eaton 3,064
Olajuwon has the NBA record (again, since they began crediting blocks in 1974) for most blocks.

Now, a few drawbacks to Olajuwon’s career record for blocks.

1) It is almost certain that Chamberlain and Russell would have had more blocks.

2) Abdul-Jabbar had 3,189 - and played his first four years without the stat being kept. In his 1974 season (Kareem’s fifth in the league) he blocked 283 shots in 81 games. If we simply apply his per game average to his first four seasons, we would have to credit him with another 1,122 blocks. That would bring him up to around 4,310. I’d feel a whole lot better calling Hakeem the all-time blocks leader (at least post Wilt/Russell) if his career total was up around 4,300. You can go to the bank on this one, folks. Abdul-Jabbar had more than 700 blocks in his first 321 games. In the first two years that they kept blocks, Abdul-Jabbar averaged 3.5 per game.

3) Dikembe Mutombo has averaged 3.38 blocks per game in his career, and may approach Hakeem's block total in the next few seasons.

Olajuwon’s 1995 Rockets eliminated four teams that won 50+ games. They eliminated the San Antonio Spurs (62-20), the Utah Jazz (60-22), the Phoenix Suns (59-23), and the Orlando Magic (57-25).

The 1995 Rockets were one of only three teams to defeat a pair of 60-win teams. The 1973 Knicks defeated the 68-win Celtics and 60-win Lakers. The 1993 Bulls defeated the 60-22 Knicks and the 62-win Suns.

On March 9, 1991, Olajuwon added an H to his first name for religious reasons. He also added a C for controversy to his newspaper clips; the first hint of controversy in his career to that point. Olajuwon never had anywhere near the biggest salary in the league, and the Rockets offered a contract extension that didn’t suit Hakeem. What happened next is a matter of which party to believe. Olajuwon claims he was injured. The Rockets claimed otherwise. Olajuwon demanded a trade. The Rockets suspended Olajuwon. Eventually, the Rockets not only resigned Olajuwon to a contract that was fair to both sides; they hired Rudy Tomjanovich as head coach. Olajuwon responded with his career-best seasons, despite being over 30.

You had to drive a stake through this vampire to kill him. Olajuwon just wouldn’t go down easily. Once Rudy Tomjanovich came aboard as head coach in 1992, Olajuwon resolved his differences and began a period as the best center in the game. And get this: beginning in 1992, Olajuwon’s teams were 14-6 when facing elimination.

For a comparison, Shaquille O’Neal’s teams are 5-6 when facing elimination, and 1-6 prior to the Lakers’ three-peat.

This material has been excerpted from "Who's Better, Who's Best in Basketball?" by Elliott Kalb. All rights reserved.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/history/Hakeem_Olajuwon_The_NBAs_Bes-91094-34.html

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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.

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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.

Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem. 

and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel

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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.

Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem. 

and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel

Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.

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A quick Question Just for Shit's & Giggles..

Olajuwon or Duncan (Forget The Foward/Center issue)
They Both the same built, Same size (For The Most Part) And Play a similar game.

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Hakeem

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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.

Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem. 

and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel

Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.

and Shaq would overpower Kareem because he wieghs so much more

and Russell beat will like 6 playoff series in a row at one point thats just pathetic if your Wilt


*edit  btw Hakeem is one of a few list of players who was able to block the hook shot.

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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.

Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem. 

and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel

Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.

and Shaq would overpower Kareem because he wieghs so much more

and Russel beat will like 6 playoff series in a row at one point thats just pathetic if your wilt

It's not pathetic, cuz Bill Russell had Bob Cousy, Tom Heinson, Bill Sharman, Frank Ramsey, Sam Jones, Bailey Howell, KC Jones, John Havlicek, etc. (all hall of fame players)....And Wilt...well....didn't. Like I said, Russell woulda been a power forward in Kareem's era. As for Shaq vs. Kareem, that's really not arguable. Kareem was way more skilled in every way, while Shaq was a power player. Skill will always outdo power. Just like when the less powerful Hakeem schooled Shaq, Kareem woulda' done the same, but to a higher extent...PeACe

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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.

Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem. 

and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel

Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.

and Shaq would overpower Kareem because he wieghs so much more

and Russel beat will like 6 playoff series in a row at one point thats just pathetic if your wilt

It's not pathetic, cuz Bill Russell had Bob Cousy, Tom Heinson, Bill Sharman, Frank Ramsey, Sam Jones, Bailey Howell, KC Jones, John Havlicek, etc. (all hall of fame players)....And Wilt...well....didn't. Like I said, Russell woulda been a power forward in Kareem's era. As for Shaq vs. Kareem, that's really not arguable. Kareem was way more skilled in every way, while Shaq was a power player. Skill will always outdo power. Just like when the less powerful Hakeem schooled Shaq, Kareem woulda' done the same, but to a higher extent...PeACe

It doesn't matter who russel had on his team.  Greatness can overcome that.  Look at the Warriors vs Dallas last year.

if some cat comes into the NBA and averages 50 points a game and 25 rebounds and you continuously knock him out of the playoffs it says something.  6 straight wins.  Think about that.


now, you guys act like i dont respect Wilts talent.  I do, but winning is the point of the game and 50 points a game against the bottom feeders of the league doesnt mean look so impressive when you run up against a team that plays defense.

Wilt definetely had a better sex life than Russell