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Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 02:15:48 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:35:37 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:32:34 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:25:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.I'm not saying they're all-stars, I'm sayng they're all-star CALIBER players, meaning they've either made the team or been on the ballot...Drew Gooden will always get you double figures. Ilgauskas is better than any current center on the Lakers. Hughes had a season where he averaged 22 points and 3 steals. And what about the experience on that team? Is it comparable to the experience on the Lakers? Do you deny that LeBron's supporting cast is a way better unit? Do you deny their ability to play team defense, something the Lakers heavily lacked in? Come on now, homie...PeACeAll that shit is irrelevant, Z was an all-star years ago, not anymore, not an all-star caliber player at all, same with Hughes. You consider an all-star caliber player to be one just for making the ballot? so Primoz Brezec is a pereniall all-star caliber player too?Primoz Brezec had a 13-7 season... That is all-star caliber for a center in the east. Are you denying that LeBron's cast plays far superior team defense to Kobes? Who's better. Lakers minus Kobe, or Cleveland minus Lebron...Think about it...PeACe13 pts-7rbs on th worst team in the NBA is eall star caliber? Do u have any clue how foolish you sound? Of course LeBron's team is better on defense than Lakers, why u mad at Lebron for that? BTW the teams would be about the same without their stars, because Kobe is a star, not a leader, the Lakers would play a more relaxed game without Kobe "dramaqueen" Bryant.
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:35:37 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:32:34 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:25:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.I'm not saying they're all-stars, I'm sayng they're all-star CALIBER players, meaning they've either made the team or been on the ballot...Drew Gooden will always get you double figures. Ilgauskas is better than any current center on the Lakers. Hughes had a season where he averaged 22 points and 3 steals. And what about the experience on that team? Is it comparable to the experience on the Lakers? Do you deny that LeBron's supporting cast is a way better unit? Do you deny their ability to play team defense, something the Lakers heavily lacked in? Come on now, homie...PeACeAll that shit is irrelevant, Z was an all-star years ago, not anymore, not an all-star caliber player at all, same with Hughes. You consider an all-star caliber player to be one just for making the ballot? so Primoz Brezec is a pereniall all-star caliber player too?Primoz Brezec had a 13-7 season... That is all-star caliber for a center in the east. Are you denying that LeBron's cast plays far superior team defense to Kobes? Who's better. Lakers minus Kobe, or Cleveland minus Lebron...Think about it...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:32:34 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:25:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.I'm not saying they're all-stars, I'm sayng they're all-star CALIBER players, meaning they've either made the team or been on the ballot...Drew Gooden will always get you double figures. Ilgauskas is better than any current center on the Lakers. Hughes had a season where he averaged 22 points and 3 steals. And what about the experience on that team? Is it comparable to the experience on the Lakers? Do you deny that LeBron's supporting cast is a way better unit? Do you deny their ability to play team defense, something the Lakers heavily lacked in? Come on now, homie...PeACeAll that shit is irrelevant, Z was an all-star years ago, not anymore, not an all-star caliber player at all, same with Hughes. You consider an all-star caliber player to be one just for making the ballot? so Primoz Brezec is a pereniall all-star caliber player too?
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:25:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.I'm not saying they're all-stars, I'm sayng they're all-star CALIBER players, meaning they've either made the team or been on the ballot...Drew Gooden will always get you double figures. Ilgauskas is better than any current center on the Lakers. Hughes had a season where he averaged 22 points and 3 steals. And what about the experience on that team? Is it comparable to the experience on the Lakers? Do you deny that LeBron's supporting cast is a way better unit? Do you deny their ability to play team defense, something the Lakers heavily lacked in? Come on now, homie...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.
Quote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?
Quote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory.
^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 03:54:50 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 02:15:48 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:35:37 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:32:34 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:25:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.I'm not saying they're all-stars, I'm sayng they're all-star CALIBER players, meaning they've either made the team or been on the ballot...Drew Gooden will always get you double figures. Ilgauskas is better than any current center on the Lakers. Hughes had a season where he averaged 22 points and 3 steals. And what about the experience on that team? Is it comparable to the experience on the Lakers? Do you deny that LeBron's supporting cast is a way better unit? Do you deny their ability to play team defense, something the Lakers heavily lacked in? Come on now, homie...PeACeAll that shit is irrelevant, Z was an all-star years ago, not anymore, not an all-star caliber player at all, same with Hughes. You consider an all-star caliber player to be one just for making the ballot? so Primoz Brezec is a pereniall all-star caliber player too?Primoz Brezec had a 13-7 season... That is all-star caliber for a center in the east. Are you denying that LeBron's cast plays far superior team defense to Kobes? Who's better. Lakers minus Kobe, or Cleveland minus Lebron...Think about it...PeACe13 pts-7rbs on th worst team in the NBA is eall star caliber? Do u have any clue how foolish you sound? Of course LeBron's team is better on defense than Lakers, why u mad at Lebron for that? BTW the teams would be about the same without their stars, because Kobe is a star, not a leader, the Lakers would play a more relaxed game without Kobe "dramaqueen" Bryant.LOL...There have been all-stars with worse numbers than 13-7, especially when it comes to centers. Primoz Brezec isn't an all-star caliber player, but he's played like one at some point in his career. Drew Gooden is borderline, Larry Hughes and Ilgauskas are both unquestionably all-star caliber players. LMAO@"Lakers play a more relaxed game without Kobe." LMAO@"Kobe is a star not a leader." LMAO@you failing to acknowledge the Cavs have had a real unit minus their star, while the Lakers haven't...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2007, 11:43:11 AMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 03:54:50 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 02:15:48 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:35:37 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:32:34 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 12:25:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:18:37 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:23:55 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 12:34:48 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:46:12 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 03, 2007, 10:18:41 PM^^It went with Kobe doing the same exact thing and his teammates letting him down this time, followed by the media shitting on him, claiming that he let the Lakers down by not shooting enough and trying to involve the team too much. When LeBron is a one man show (Game 5), the media crowns him for it. When Kobe is a one man show, the media crucifies him for it. When LeBron disappears, it's cuz he has faith in his teammates and knows how to get others involved. When Kobe disappears, it's cuz he's letting his teammates down and quitting on his team. The media rules your mind. Even you can't deny this.the diference between lebron and kobe is .....lebron leads his team to victory. The difference between LeBron's team and Kobe's team is LeBron's team plays in the east and has a nice supporting cast with all-star caliber veterans and players who fit the system perfectly. Sorry, but your comparisons suck man. You can't truly tell me you believe LeBron is CURRENTLY as talented as Kobe and as well-rounded as a player, can you? I think your love for Shaq, resulting in your heavy dislike for Kobe goes a bit too far sometimes. Maybe that's not why you're saying this, but it seems a little weird that someone would actually believe LeBron is currently as good as Kobe...PeACeAll i need to know is this: who are these ALL STAR CALIBRE VETERANS? Please inform me who is more talented than Odom who is currently on the Cavs? Hughes? The dude playing with an injury? Or is it Ilgauskas, a nice player but has no athleticism. Who are these all-star calibre players? Maybe Gibson in the future, but he is a rookie and didn't have an impressive regular season at all?Ilguaskas is a center. He's an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden is a power forward. He's an all-star caliber player. Larry Hughes is a point guard/shooting guard. He's an all-star caliber player...Who besides Odom (who plays a position we're stacked in) is an all-star caliber player on the Lakers? We didn't even have a SERVICEABLE point guard or center! Admit that LeBron has a supporting cast who can win games without him. Admit Kobe doesn't. That's all I'm asking...PeACeIlguaskas WAS an all-star caliber player. Drew Gooden has NEVER been an all-star caliber player, he needs to improve on sooo much. Larry Hughes had a few all-star worthy seasons, but I don't think anyone would consider him all-star material. You KNOW Hughes couldn't make his team a winner if he's the first option, Z's feet suck and Gooden just needs more experience.I'm not saying they're all-stars, I'm sayng they're all-star CALIBER players, meaning they've either made the team or been on the ballot...Drew Gooden will always get you double figures. Ilgauskas is better than any current center on the Lakers. Hughes had a season where he averaged 22 points and 3 steals. And what about the experience on that team? Is it comparable to the experience on the Lakers? Do you deny that LeBron's supporting cast is a way better unit? Do you deny their ability to play team defense, something the Lakers heavily lacked in? Come on now, homie...PeACeAll that shit is irrelevant, Z was an all-star years ago, not anymore, not an all-star caliber player at all, same with Hughes. You consider an all-star caliber player to be one just for making the ballot? so Primoz Brezec is a pereniall all-star caliber player too?Primoz Brezec had a 13-7 season... That is all-star caliber for a center in the east. Are you denying that LeBron's cast plays far superior team defense to Kobes? Who's better. Lakers minus Kobe, or Cleveland minus Lebron...Think about it...PeACe13 pts-7rbs on th worst team in the NBA is eall star caliber? Do u have any clue how foolish you sound? Of course LeBron's team is better on defense than Lakers, why u mad at Lebron for that? BTW the teams would be about the same without their stars, because Kobe is a star, not a leader, the Lakers would play a more relaxed game without Kobe "dramaqueen" Bryant.LOL...There have been all-stars with worse numbers than 13-7, especially when it comes to centers. Primoz Brezec isn't an all-star caliber player, but he's played like one at some point in his career. Drew Gooden is borderline, Larry Hughes and Ilgauskas are both unquestionably all-star caliber players. LMAO@"Lakers play a more relaxed game without Kobe." LMAO@"Kobe is a star not a leader." LMAO@you failing to acknowledge the Cavs have had a real unit minus their star, while the Lakers haven't...PeACeOk then, why the fuck did you actually think the Lakers had a chance at the title if they are such a shit team. And NIK, we all know you are just trying to big-up the Cavs as you don't want to give too much credit to Lebron. I will say Gibson had a nice series for three games, and Olgauskas was alright at times, and Gooden hit some big shots, but Larry Hughes? While he MAY be all-star calibre, he IS INJURED, like your boy Odom.Lebron averaged 25, 9, and 8 for the series, something done in the conference finals only three other times EVER. He did not "DISAPPEAR" at times like you said, he just knows when to take over a game and when to get his teammates involved; his passing and unselfish play is his biggest asset, ubt i think we learned he can takeover when he needs to. As for Team USA, of course Kobe will be the leader. He is older, more experienced, and above all else, you really think Kobe would have it any other way? And you really think Lebron gives a fuck who the leader is?
You are insane if you compare the Lakers minus Kobe to the Cavs minus LeBron. Cleveland is a complete team, even without LeBron. It's laughable to say the same about the Lakers without Kobe...If LeBron is such a great leader, why did he lead the USA Team to bronze not once, but TWICE? That's why we need a KOBE to come in and take the lead...Watch Kobe bring back the gold, like Jake said...PeACe
the lakers and cavs minus lebron and kobeCleavelandC-Zydrunas Ilgauskas- 32 years oldPF- Drew Gooden-25 years oldSF-Donyell Marshall-34 years oldSG-Larry Hughes-28 years oldPG-Eric Snow- 34 yeras oldLos AngelesC- Chris Mihm-28 years oldPF-Kwame Brown- 25 years oldSF-Lamar Odom - 27 years oldSG- Maurice Evans 28 years oldPG-Smush Parker-26 years oldi don't know you guys be the judge an older slower cavs team or a younger faster laker team?
Kobe will solve the olympic drought because he is a true leader. Put some real talent around him, and he will win.. believe that. How many of you can deny you've watched Cav games and seen LeBron looking like a role player for long stretches? Looks like he's gradually improving in that area, but he has a lot to prove before we can start saying he'll be the best player in basketball any time soon...PeACe
Quote from: Don Jacob on June 05, 2007, 03:43:09 PMthe lakers and cavs minus lebron and kobeCleavelandC-Zydrunas Ilgauskas- 32 years oldPF- Drew Gooden-25 years oldSF-Donyell Marshall-34 years oldSG-Larry Hughes-28 years oldPG-Eric Snow- 34 yeras oldLos AngelesC- Chris Mihm-28 years oldPF-Kwame Brown- 25 years oldSF-Lamar Odom - 27 years oldSG- Maurice Evans 28 years oldPG-Smush Parker-26 years oldi don't know you guys be the judge an older slower cavs team or a younger faster laker team?Were you even watching the Lakers this season? Mihm didn't play for us. Look at the difference in talent in VALAUBLE experience in the rosters (LMAO@thinking younger players are better). Look at the difference in TEAM DEFENSE. It's very safe to say the Cavs minus LeBron win, Jake. Even a Kobe hater like you can't deny this.