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This is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally. I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.
Damn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 04, 2007, 01:30:44 AMQuote from: J$crILLa on June 04, 2007, 01:25:07 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:43:22 PMgood article, i couldn't have articulated that better. fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes. couldnt have said it betterI'll say it better for youQuote from: Don Jacob on December 06, 2006, 02:49:05 AMwhat amazes me is how people ride lebron james over kobe. i don't see it. i can't wait til the olympics , i believe kobe will bring the gold back home. at that point lebron really didn't show me anything that t-mac and vince carter have already showed me. like a million people said after game 5. we watched lebron james become a man that night. what i said about lebron from what happenedfrom december 06 and before that i still stand by. but game 5 was a benchmark in his career.
Quote from: J$crILLa on June 04, 2007, 01:25:07 AMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:43:22 PMgood article, i couldn't have articulated that better. fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes. couldnt have said it betterI'll say it better for youQuote from: Don Jacob on December 06, 2006, 02:49:05 AMwhat amazes me is how people ride lebron james over kobe. i don't see it. i can't wait til the olympics , i believe kobe will bring the gold back home.
Quote from: Don Jacob on June 03, 2007, 11:43:22 PMgood article, i couldn't have articulated that better. fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes. couldnt have said it better
good article, i couldn't have articulated that better. fact of the matter is this. Kobe has ALL THE TALENT in the world, as does Lebron, Kobe has utilized every aspect of his talent, except one key aspect .....leadership and camaraderie. lebron has utilized that, and really has yet to utilize his full potential athletically, when and if he does it'll be scary. but lebron has the mental part of the game down, Kobe does not. that's what separates great players and heroes.
what amazes me is how people ride lebron james over kobe. i don't see it. i can't wait til the olympics , i believe kobe will bring the gold back home.
Quote from: R-Tistic on June 04, 2007, 10:33:55 PMThis is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally. I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron. Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on.
Quote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:14:01 PMQuote from: R-Tistic on June 04, 2007, 10:33:55 PMThis is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally. I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron. Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on. Kobe is a better scorer and a better defender, yet he's somehow not the better player. Wow. LOL...He's not talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in the Laker FO drama...He's talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in him being the pinnacle for young rising superstar comparisons. yesterday it was Wade, today it's LeBron, tomorrow it will be Durant. But it will ALWAYS be Kobe.
Quote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 03:18:28 PMDamn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy.
Correct me if i am wrong: Lebron is better OVERALL. Lebron is a better rebounder, passer, gets more steals, blocks, AND the kicker: he has LED his team to the finals, something Kobe has yet to do. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but since Shaq has left Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first round. Whatever the reasons, be it the tougher conference, be it the front office or the other guys fault, Kobe has won as many playoff rounds (as the leader of his team) as T-Mac has. Am i wrong???
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2007, 06:46:18 PMQuote from: teecee on June 04, 2007, 11:14:01 PMQuote from: R-Tistic on June 04, 2007, 10:33:55 PMThis is definitely an overtypical article bashing Kobe, just as many others are. I think there is SOME truth in there...but this article doesn't even begin to acknowledge ANYTHING that Kobe does better than Lebron, whether it's on the court, off the court, physically or mentally. I don't think Lebron is a flavor of the month, and they've been wanting to crown him the "next major star" every since HS when they televised his games. They would have hyped him up even more than D Wade last year when he won the championship...but they couldn't, because Lebron didn't make it to the third round. Just as they barely mentioned Lebron in the playoffs after he was eliminated, it's been the exact same way for D. Wade this year. However...the fact that Kobe still remains to be the talk of the league every year, even when his team doesn't make the finals, says something major.Well, the article DOES say Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron. Also, there is only one real reason why Kobe is still "the talk of the league" right now: because he made sure he would be when he spoke out against the Lakers front office, then said he wanted to be a Laker for life, and so on. Kobe is a better scorer and a better defender, yet he's somehow not the better player. Wow. LOL...He's not talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in the Laker FO drama...He's talking about Kobe being the talk of the league as in him being the pinnacle for young rising superstar comparisons. yesterday it was Wade, today it's LeBron, tomorrow it will be Durant. But it will ALWAYS be Kobe. Kobe IS a better scorer and defender, but I ask you this: have you ever played the game, or coached it? Do you understand what it is to be part of a team? You also realize there is more to the game then individual scoring or d, right? Correct me if i am wrong: Lebron is better OVERALL. Lebron is a better rebounder, passer, gets more steals, blocks, AND the kicker: he has LED his team to the finals, something Kobe has yet to do. Yes, Kobe has 3 titles, but since Shaq has left Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first round. Whatever the reasons, be it the tougher conference, be it the front office or the other guys fault, Kobe has won as many playoff rounds (as the leader of his team) as T-Mac has. Am i wrong???
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2007, 06:36:31 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 03:18:28 PMDamn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.check it. 2004-2005Kobe >Lebron2005-2006Kobe >Lebron2006-2007Kobe~Lebronhe's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?
Quote from: Don Jacob on June 05, 2007, 08:39:33 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2007, 06:36:31 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 03:18:28 PMDamn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.check it. 2004-2005Kobe >Lebron2005-2006Kobe >Lebron2006-2007Kobe~Lebronhe's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?DUDE, LeBron had a WORSE season. LOL. He didn't grow, that was everyones huge concern with him before this Detroit series, which suddenly made LeBron "so" amazing. How does one good series where the team matches up horribly against you take you from being heavily doubted to "Michael Jordan level"? And he didn't even have a great series as a whole, it was really that one great game where he scored 48 points in a double overtime game that made the media bust a nut...you truly think LeBron is playing at Michael Jordan level? HAHAHAHAHA. That's classic, Jake. Jordan in his prime would have swept these pistons. 3Peat Kobe on this cavs team woulda tortured these Pistons as well...Your claims are outrageous, man. LeBron subsided his game this season. Only someone with very little knowledge in regards to the game (OR a Kobe hater/LeBron dickrider) would say LeBron is currently on the level of a Kobe. Sorry, but that's the truth man...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2007, 09:18:14 PMQuote from: Don Jacob on June 05, 2007, 08:39:33 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on June 05, 2007, 06:36:31 PMQuote from: The_Dream_Shatterer on June 04, 2007, 03:18:28 PMDamn, your pathetic for sifting through 7 months of threds just to find a quote to attempt to make yourself look good. People's minds change, Kobe's attitude this season helped change alot of opinions on him.Kobe's attitude made people change their mind about him THIS SEASON? LOL. Kobe had a record setting MVP caliber season, where he single-handedly willed a hobbled sub-par supporting cast to the NBA playoffs in the WEST. If anything, this season only ADDED to peoples opinion on Kobe as a player. All-NBA 1st Team. All-Defense 1st team, All-Star MVP, scoring title, record setting consecutive 50+ point games, led team in assists, etc. etc...Keep hating, son.And it only took 1 minute to find that quote by Jake. I already remebered him always claiming how Kobe was so much greater than LeBron, and how LeBron is whack and couldn't even lead Team USA to anything past bronze TWICE. There's a reason a "search" button is provided, phillyboy. again that was then this is now. lebron has made steps to spearheading his way to the level of kobe bryant, things CAN change over a year you know? especially when it's a talent like lebron james who's BARELY older than me (22). kobe bryant would never of been able to do that at 22 no way, no how......without shaq. however i still stand by my past statements about lebron. carmello should have been the rookie of the year that year. Team USA would have won the gold if kobe had been on those teams (lebron was only 20-21,but with that said kobe wouldn't have been able to lead team USA to the gold either at that age) . and kobe was better than lebron for all those seasons and years i said that. but you want to act like lebron never grew in the three years he's been in the league.check it. 2004-2005Kobe >Lebron2005-2006Kobe >Lebron2006-2007Kobe~Lebronhe's playing at a level that michael jordan played at , while kobe is playing at a level that Elgin Baylor played at (all stats no rings/wins)is my opinion on Lebron going to change when the spurs win it all? No, even if they get swept like the magic did in 95' i see ALOT of potential JUST like i saw in the OTHER superstar i saw potential in from that losing series ....Shaquille O'neal. Lebron James is only going to get better. He's probably not going to win it all this season but this is a thunder bolt for all the league to listen to. Kobe Bryant has close to ZERO leadership skills, he's had 10 years to develop them and now a 22 year old clone of him has surpassed him in that department, what else will lebron surpass kobe at in the coming years?DUDE, LeBron had a WORSE season. LOL. He didn't grow, that was everyones huge concern with him before this Detroit series, which suddenly made LeBron "so" amazing. How does one good series where the team matches up horribly against you take you from being heavily doubted to "Michael Jordan level"? And he didn't even have a great series as a whole, it was really that one great game where he scored 48 points in a double overtime game that made the media bust a nut...you truly think LeBron is playing at Michael Jordan level? HAHAHAHAHA. That's classic, Jake. Jordan in his prime would have swept these pistons. 3Peat Kobe on this cavs team woulda tortured these Pistons as well...Your claims are outrageous, man. LeBron subsided his game this season. Only someone with very little knowledge in regards to the game (OR a Kobe hater/LeBron dickrider) would say LeBron is currently on the level of a Kobe. Sorry, but that's the truth man...PeACeYear Tm G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 05-06 LAL 80 80 41.0 .450 .347 .850 0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 0.4 3.13 2.90 35.4 06-07 LAL 77 77 40.8 .463 .344 .868 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 1.4 0.5 3.31 2.70 31.6 Year Tm G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 05-06 CLE 79 79 42.5 .480 .335 .738 0.9 6.1 7.0 6.6 1.6 0.8 3.29 2.30 31.4 06-07 CLE 78 78 40.9 .476 .319 .698 1.1 5.7 6.7 6.0 1.6 0.7 3.21 2.20 27.3 lol they both had "WORSE" years than their previous years. lol