BISHOP AND OMAR CRUZ 60 SECONDS OF FAME IS OVER! CROOKED WON!!

[Joe-Thee]

I agree with the fact that Crooked has the biggest buzz out of the west at the moment and its cool to see how he built it without a machine behind him. But its way to early to count out any of the other artists...

[Cios]

Can't agree with your view Reality1000.. Bishop will do it big and like said before, it's a movement.. great era about to come for the west.

[no1wammy]

Omar didn't get his buzz cuz he was a Mexican rapper. Hell most cats that I let listen to Omar thought he was black. He got a buzz cuz he has hot music. Why else would Geffen/Interscope want to snatch him up? If it was cuz he was Mexican, they would've shipped him to a Latino sub label. Bishop didn't get his buzz cuz of Busta, that's ignorant. He got buzz cuz he grinded hard enough BEFORE he got signed to get love from all kinds of emcees from all over.

Not to mention BYI Entertainment has been doing it big as an independent label. If you missed the interview with Eddie and Lulu, you should have learned that getting signed to a major is over. Artist are now required to pick up the pieces and make a name for themselves. The labels ain't gonna do that anymore.

Crooked's only chance of making it big (now) would be to go independent. And I think it's a trend that all artists are making their own record labels and getting distribution from cheaper/wiser markets than dreaming for Interscope, Arista, Universal or Warner Bros. The big labels are only interested in money. The smaller/independent labels are after talent. Put them together: You get a hot selling artist.

That's how the game works now.

[SGV]

Where do people get that Crooked has the biggest buzz on the West? LOL @ That. People must not be in L.A., San Diego or the Bay if they're saying that. I can vouch that nobody I know is heavy into Crooked I, they don't even know who he is for the most part. Misconceptions are a mutha...

[CHUCK KNOXXX]

Where do people get that Crooked has the biggest buzz on the West? LOL @ That. People must not be in L.A., San Diego or the Bay if they're saying that. I can vouch that nobody I know is heavy into Crooked I, they don't even know who he is for the most part. Misconceptions are a mutha...

i feel the same way about so much shit that gets said in here....i always see heads in here mention people like glasses malone, tri star, (heck, even ya boy) like their all the rage out here in LA, (on the radio, in the clubs, on the streets  and in the mom n pops) and frankly, that just really aint the case........most of my homies have no idea who most of the constantly talked about up n comers in this forum are.......yeah they know crooked, but mainly cuz of his more known dpg/death row era stuff (think of his verse on kurupts 'streetz is a mutha or the dogg pound 2000 death row album).....believe me, omar cruz and bishop have a much, much ,MUCH bigger buzz right now, because, well, they get a lil' love on power 106 (they were bumping that power house anthem for a minute and i heard bishop a few times here n' there) where as i can deffinately not say the same for crooked I..........am i saying dude is wack? HELL NO! he is a beast on the mic, i actually had the pleasure to see him bust a rediulous freestyle at the wake up show anniversary a couple years back to nothing but a beat box.....it was insane, the crowd went nuts......but what the thread starter is saying is just flat out not true.....i wish all these 'new west ' artists the best, so dont get it twisted, but the funny thing is, fools in here are all up on cats like technic and glasses(who both got skill but little to no following) andyet  know nothing about sick jack and psycho realm (who sell out the house of blues consistantly).........LA underground hip hop goes far beyond what gets said up in here.....there's a whole scene fools aint up on

[koolnutz]

Dude i read what you wrote and i agree about Bishop and omar cruz. and i also agree thar Crooked i is respected outside the west coast but will never blow up. even thought i wish he would and i think he deserves too, Suge fucked it up, he could have dropped him and i believe he would have blown up. i remember everyone was waiting for that shit...........

Truth be told the west has not been been putting out crazy new styles like they used to. The Bay came pretty hard with that hyphy shit, i give them credit for that, but it didnt blow up too big. And southern Cali is a god damn disgrace at the moment.........

[no1wammy]

And southern Cali is a god damn disgrace at the moment.........

My sentiments exactly. Today, while my sis and I went to grab some chow at BJ's Restaurants, she told me about Reggaeton being a dead music style.

So now I wonder if whether rap will end up like Reggaeton.

And to Chuck Knoxxx - this includes Chicano Rap (Remember the Curse?) - will all subgenres of rap sink along with mainstream?

[CHUCK KNOXXX]

And southern Cali is a god damn disgrace at the moment.........

My sentiments exactly. Today, while my sis and I went to grab some chow at BJ's Restaurants, she told me about Reggaeton being a dead music style.

So now I wonder if whether rap will end up like Reggaeton.

And to Chuck Knoxxx - this includes Chicano Rap (Remember the Curse?) - will all subgenres of rap sink along with mainstream?

to compare reggaton to HIP HOP (not chicano rap, urban mainstream, snap music, hyphy, etc.) is rediculou, your talking about a music form that became popular a couple years ago, where as real hip hop started in the bronx in the 70's......you mind as well then compare hip hop to freestyle from the 80's (remember stevie b and debbie deb?).....i hope that what most people consider chicano rap does die, because its insulting and a backwards representation of my culture (same could be said for reggaton, but that applies more to puerto ricans)......i hate that fucken label with a passion.....sick jack, sinful, omar cruz, big pun (rip)-those are latinos who make hip hop, their MC's, not chicano rappers or whatever the fuck label people place on them......lil rob, capone e, down, etc, etc......chicano rappers....u already know how i feel about your oppinion on the subject so why be redundent, im done.......

[blunts40sbitches]

yo reality, thats real talk, these Bishop and Omar Cruz dickryders just dont want to admit it, but fuck it, the truth hurts

crooked i is hot garbage (there i said it lol..now all you crooked groupies dont cry now, its jus how i feel), theres a reason that guy aint got no official album out, dudes been in the game for a decade and still nothing, bishops only been around for a few years and hes already signed to aftermath, put out a hotass mixtape/street album thats gotten big time praise by alotta people (lotta people say it was better then most rappers retail albums this year), he also put out a myspace video of him the studio with dre something NO ONES ever done before and to top it off dude has another street album comin out that alotta people are anticipating called Caltroit, cant speak on omar cruz...never heard any of his stuff before.

First of all, Crooked I was on Death Row for like 5 years, meaning theres no fuckin way his album will see the light of day, we all know this, hes been loyal enough to suge but obviously had enough and is now goin the independent route, I dont know how u cant respect him for that

Second of all, Bishop and Omar are backed by major labels, I mean come on, Bishops on fuckin Aftermath Records for cryin out loud, what more can you get for a westcoast rapper than a big budget label with the GOAT in hip hop production......The fact that Crooked has created more buzz independently than any of these dudes on major labels proves his talent far surpasses any of these guys.....Im not sayin Bishop and Omar are not talented, I think Bishop is a great lyricist, but Crooked I is even better lyrically and has more presence and swagger behind the mic.....

Also, another thing, Dre offered Crooked a record deal but Crooked denied it, he was fed up with industry politics and thus decided to do it the independent way.....

What I just posted are straight up facts, Im not a fuckin dickryder like most of these fools postin on this board, I keep it 100% and tell it like it is.....I love Bishop Lamont but lets be honest, Crooked just has better skills behind the mic, and thats what keepin people checkin up on him every week, and Im talkin bout people all over the world, not just the westcoast.....I cant say that Bishop has completely lost his chance, that part I dont agree with, cuz just for the fact that he is on Aftermath and will have production by Dre alone will get people to buy his cd, but you cant sit there and act like hes way better than Crooked.....Just cuz hes your favorite rapper DOES NOT mean that hes necessarily the best rapper......My favorite rapper is 2pac, but we all know 2pac wasnt the best lyricist and didnt have the most talent when it came to mic skills.....But that doesnt change the fact that hes my favorite rapper, all Im tryin to say is, Be a fan but dont be a fuckin dickryder.....

[Gamestarr]

Impressed by alot of these answers. Nice to have a discussion going.

Read the whole thing and every single post.

Crooked I wrecks every beat he touches. Nuff said ..

Crooked I > errbody else at the moment

[$Eg2$]

I really dont see Bishop or Omar blowing up but there is still plenty of time to try 

 

Where do people get that Crooked has the biggest buzz on the West? LOL @ That. People must not be in L.A., San Diego or the Bay if they're saying that. I can vouch that nobody I know is heavy into Crooked I, they don't even know who he is for the most part. Misconceptions are a mutha...

I agree but nobody I know outside the internet knows who Omar or Bishop is ? 

[Lil D]

yo reality, thats real talk, these Bishop and Omar Cruz dickryders just dont want to admit it, but fuck it, the truth hurts

crooked i is hot garbage (there i said it lol..now all you crooked groupies dont cry now, its jus how i feel), theres a reason that guy aint got no official album out, dudes been in the game for a decade and still nothing, bishops only been around for a few years and hes already signed to aftermath, put out a hotass mixtape/street album thats gotten big time praise by alotta people (lotta people say it was better then most rappers retail albums this year), he also put out a myspace video of him the studio with dre something NO ONES ever done before and to top it off dude has another street album comin out that alotta people are anticipating called Caltroit, cant speak on omar cruz...never heard any of his stuff before.

First of all, Crooked I was on Death Row for like 5 years, meaning theres no fuckin way his album will see the light of day, we all know this, hes been loyal enough to suge but obviously had enough and is now goin the independent route, I dont know how u cant respect him for that

Second of all, Bishop and Omar are backed by major labels, I mean come on, Bishops on fuckin Aftermath Records for cryin out loud, what more can you get for a westcoast rapper than a big budget label with the GOAT in hip hop production......The fact that Crooked has created more buzz independently than any of these dudes on major labels proves his talent far surpasses any of these guys.....Im not sayin Bishop and Omar are not talented, I think Bishop is a great lyricist, but Crooked I is even better lyrically and has more presence and swagger behind the mic.....

Also, another thing, Dre offered Crooked a record deal but Crooked denied it, he was fed up with industry politics and thus decided to do it the independent way.....

What I just posted are straight up facts, Im not a fuckin dickryder like most of these fools postin on this board, I keep it 100% and tell it like it is.....I love Bishop Lamont but lets be honest, Crooked just has better skills behind the mic, and thats what keepin people checkin up on him every week, and Im talkin bout people all over the world, not just the westcoast.....I cant say that Bishop has completely lost his chance, that part I dont agree with, cuz just for the fact that he is on Aftermath and will have production by Dre alone will get people to buy his cd, but you cant sit there and act like hes way better than Crooked.....Just cuz hes your favorite rapper DOES NOT mean that hes necessarily the best rapper......My favorite rapper is 2pac, but we all know 2pac wasnt the best lyricist and didnt have the most talent when it came to mic skills.....But that doesnt change the fact that hes my favorite rapper, all Im tryin to say is, Be a fan but dont be a fuckin dickryder.....

^^this shit is kinda real talk, NONE of these new west coast rappers got a buzz, crooked i got more buzz every week when he releases a new freestyle than bishops/g.malone's street singles

[SGV]

I really dont see Bishop or Omar blowing up but there is still plenty of time to try 


I agree but nobody I know outside the internet knows who Omar or Bishop is ? 

I know at least a good 30+ people who are fully aware of Omar and they're not even big into Hip Hop. Those same people have never heard of Crooked I (I know cuz I've tried putting them on to him).

[koolnutz]

And southern Cali is a god damn disgrace at the moment.........

My sentiments exactly. Today, while my sis and I went to grab some chow at BJ's Restaurants, she told me about Reggaeton being a dead music style.

So now I wonder if whether rap will end up like Reggaeton.

And to Chuck Knoxxx - this includes Chicano Rap (Remember the Curse?) - will all subgenres of rap sink along with mainstream?

to compare reggaton to HIP HOP (not chicano rap, urban mainstream, snap music, hyphy, etc.) is rediculou, your talking about a music form that became popular a couple years ago, where as real hip hop started in the bronx in the 70's......you mind as well then compare hip hop to freestyle from the 80's (remember stevie b and debbie deb?).....i hope that what most people consider chicano rap does die, because its insulting and a backwards representation of my culture (same could be said for reggaton, but that applies more to puerto ricans)......i hate that fucken label with a passion.....sick jack, sinful, omar cruz, big pun (rip)-those are latinos who make hip hop, their MC's, not chicano rappers or whatever the fuck label people place on them......lil rob, capone e, down, etc, etc......chicano rappers....u already know how i feel about your oppinion on the subject so why be redundent, im done.......

dude im Latin too and i agree with you 100%. Im old school, i like rap music period! i fucken hate labels like the so called  CHICANO RAP. As a hip hop fan(and i have been since the 80s) i think its garbage. And  second it gives latins a horrible image.

And i agree u cant compare  hip hop to reggaeton. Hip Hop is more complex, reggaeton is simple ass music. Nearly all reggaeton songs have the same drum pattern. It will be gone in a year or two and Ricans will have another style of music.

BUT DAM WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WEST COAST..........

[blunts40sbitches]

Also, another thing, Dre offered Crooked a record deal but Crooked denied it, he was fed up with industry politics and thus decided to do it the independent way.....

it was my understanding that when Crook left Virgin Records in 1998, he & Big C-Style were shopping labels together and C-Style took him up to see Dre and they gave him a demo (one of the tracks was DJ's & MC's) and Dre was impressed and told Crook that he'd love to have him on Aftermath but that he was in the process of working on Eminem's debut album... he told Crook that if he could wait 6-9 months then he'd be able to put Crook on... but Crook couldn't wait that long because he had mouths to feed at home, so C-Style took him to Dogg Pound and from there it was on.

oh ya, that sounds more like it.....good looks on the info