"Kobe has better basketball skills than Jordan had" -Phil Jackson

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

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[OG Hack Wilson]

results say otherwise (and besides, whats he supposd to say?)

especially since Kobe always played 2nd horse to Shaq

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^^What an unexpected response from Hack Wilson.



Since you're the expert on this, what do results say? My results say that you're a major Laker hater. Good job.


No Kobe=No rings.
No Shaq=No rings.
No Jordan=No rings.
No Pippen=No rings.


Now say something worthwhile.

[Turf Hitta]

results say otherwise (and besides, whats he supposd to say?)

especially since Kobe always played 2nd horse to Shaq

Gotta agree. Phil's thing is he is an expert motivator and knows all the right things to say to get what he wants out of his players. Jordan was clearly the better player, so if he didnt have superior skills, then what is it that made him better? I don't think anybody could honestly say that Jordan was a superior athlete to Bryant. Its tough to measure "will to win" but I'm sure Kobe wants to win every bit as much as Jordan did, so its probably not that. Kobe has better size than Jordan, so that cant be what made Jordan better. So if Kobe has
-"better basketball skills than Jordan" (according to Phil)
-as good or better athleticism
-just as much of a will to win
-superior size

then what made Jordan the better player? (Jordan being the better player is not debatable.)

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

results say otherwise (and besides, whats he supposd to say?)

especially since Kobe always played 2nd horse to Shaq

Gotta agree. Phil's thing is he is an expert motivator and knows all the right things to say to get what he wants out of his players. Jordan was clearly the better player, so if he didnt have superior skills, then what is it that made him better? I don't think anybody could honestly say that Jordan was a superior athlete to Bryant. Its tough to measure "will to win" but I'm sure Kobe wants to win every bit as much as Jordan did, so its probably not that. Kobe has better size than Jordan, so that cant be what made Jordan better. So if Kobe has
-"better basketball skills than Jordan" (according to Phil)
-as good or better athleticism
-just as much of a will to win
-superior size

then what made Jordan the better player? (Jordan being the better player is not debatable.)

Jordan wasn't the better individual talent, he just had a stronger resume, because (from 1990 all the way to 1998) his team was built to win and he had the perfect complimentary players. Put Kobe in Jordan's shoes, and the Bulls woulda won 8 straight (considering Kobe wouldn't have retired in '94, like Jordan did). Based on the way both players were marketed, you would think Jordan was clearly the better talent, but that's simply not the case. Kobe still has a gang of time to collect more rings and end his career as the undisputed GOAT, though, so I'm not trippin...PeACe

[GangstaBoogy]

Okay how is he wrong? Kobe has more range, an unlimited arsenal of moves, and more intensity. Wanna stop Jordan? Force him to take 3s. Keep Kobe out of the paint and he'll knock down long range js from anywhere. All Kobe needs is an MVP and another ring or 2 and this debate will be too close for the haters to feel comfortable.

PS: Didn't Tex Winter just say Kobe has better leadership skills than Jordan?

[OG Hack Wilson]

^^What an unexpected response from Hack Wilson.



Since you're the expert on this, what do results say? My results say that you're a major Laker hater. Good job.


No Kobe=No rings.
No Shaq=No rings.
No Jordan=No rings.
No Pippen=No rings.


Now say something worthwhile.

michael jordan = 6 rings as the teams best player

shaq = 3 rings as his teams best player

kobe = zero

Kobe was the best player on the team that lost to Detroit though, he can take satisfaction in that right?

[Hatesrats™]

If Phil means That Kobe is easier To Coach Maybe..
The "Zen Master" prob means Kobe at This stage has a more Advanced
All Around game Than Michael Did in His Early 20's. I'd agree 100%

But Michael Jordan in His Late 20's/30's Was What Kobe is becoming Now.
The Complete Package.

[Turf Hitta]

Okay how is he wrong? Kobe has more range, an unlimited arsenal of moves, and more intensity. Wanna stop Jordan? Force him to take 3s. Keep Kobe out of the paint and he'll knock down long range js from anywhere. All Kobe needs is an MVP and another ring or 2 and this debate will be too close for the haters to feel comfortable.

PS: Didn't Tex Winter just say Kobe has better leadership skills than Jordan?

 how soon they forget...

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^^What an unexpected response from Hack Wilson.



Since you're the expert on this, what do results say? My results say that you're a major Laker hater. Good job.


No Kobe=No rings.
No Shaq=No rings.
No Jordan=No rings.
No Pippen=No rings.


Now say something worthwhile.

michael jordan = 6 rings as the teams best player

shaq = 3 rings as his teams best player

kobe = zero

Kobe was the best player on the team that lost to Detroit though, he can take satisfaction in that right?

Wrong...Kobe was arguably the better player by the time the '01 and '02 run came along.

[OG Hack Wilson]

^^What an unexpected response from Hack Wilson.



Since you're the expert on this, what do results say? My results say that you're a major Laker hater. Good job.


No Kobe=No rings.
No Shaq=No rings.
No Jordan=No rings.
No Pippen=No rings.


Now say something worthwhile.

michael jordan = 6 rings as the teams best player

shaq = 3 rings as his teams best player

kobe = zero

Kobe was the best player on the team that lost to Detroit though, he can take satisfaction in that right?

Wrong...Kobe was arguably the better player by the time the '01 and '02 run came along.

2000-01 regular season / playoffs
shaq 28.7 ppg 12.7 rpg 2.8 bpg / 30.4 15.4 2.4
kobe 28.5 ppg 5.9 rpg 5.0 apg / 29.4 7.3 6.1

2001=02 regualr season / playoffs
shaq 27.2 ppg 10.7 rpg 2.0 bpg / 28.5 12.6 2.5
kobe 25.2 ppg 5.5 rpg 5.5 apg / 26.6 5.8 4.6

2002-03 regular season / playoffs
shaq 27.5 ppg 11.1 rpg 2.4 bpg / 27.0 14.8 2.8
kobe 30.0 ppg 6.9 rpg 5.9 apg / 32.1 5.1 5.2

Shaq was still dominating,  his playoff production didn't go down until 2003-04.

now look, i respect Kobe and even will admit that he's the best talent in the game, and he's  better than Lebron (at this point). 

but Kobe is not Michael Jordan as a complete player and probably never will be.  It will take building his own dyansty to do that.  He's having a great year and the LAkers are playing amazing this year, but I say San Antonio is the best until sent home in the summer.

[Styles1]

Nobody knows both players strengths and weaknesses better than Phil.

[thisoneguy360]

Nobody knows both players strengths and weaknesses better than Phil.

[REGIME MOB 510]

Nobody knows both players strengths and weaknesses better than Phil.

Jordan had the heart of a warrior, and the will to back it up.

[SGV]

Nobody knows both players strengths and weaknesses better than Phil.

Yeah, but as the dudes coach currently, he's not gonna down Kobe in anyway. He's gonna build him up.

Jordan was and probably always will be better than Kobe in everyway. Jordan was the dominating player on his team. He didn't need another dominating player on his team to win.

Rookie Season 84-85 (Rookie of the Year):

MP    FG% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
38.3 .515  6.5  5.9  2.4  0.8 28.2

First MVP Season 87-88 (MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, All NBA 1st Team, All NBA Defensive Team)

MP    FG% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
40.4 .535  5.5  5.9  3.2 1.6  35.0

5th MVP Season 97-98 (All Defensive, All NBA, AND his 6th Finals MVP. 5 MVP Seasons in 9 Seasons of Play, shit, barely even 8 1/4 seasons).

MP    FG% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
38.8 .465   5.8 3.5  1.7  0.5 28.7

Kobe 00-01 (All Defensive 2nd and All NBA 2nd)

MP    FG% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
40.9 .464  5.9  5.0  1.7  0.6 28.5

Kobe 05-06 (All Defensive 1st and All NBA 1st)

MP    FG% TRB AST STL BLK PTS
41.0 .450   5.3 4.5  1.8  0.4 35.4