Tookie Williams - Loser

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

on here for example
in media, many places

bush is an example!
to put it in terms that you others might understand:
how come tookie or crips/bloods gets more hate than charles manson?

we're not talking about bush!!!!!!

get more hate than charles manson?? where??

manson gets 10x more hate

[Maully aka [Fitted Da Boss]]

we're not talking about bush!!!!!!

and we ain't talkin about gang bangin either...we're talking about one man and how he changed his perspective of life after he got locked up and tried to help katts c how gang bangin is stupid and u still giving him heat for it...I told ur dumb ass before that gang bangin is inevitable and gangs didn't start wit tookie and eventually somebody would have started a black gang which could have been even more fucked up than what crips and bloods are now...at least he tried to undo what he started...that takes alot of balls to pull that kinda shit brah...to going from a complete monster to a dude who writes childrens books and is lecturing youngins on how he made a mistake on his part wit starting the shit...and don't tell me he did that shit so he would get a lighter sentence because he changed for the better while he was on deathrow and his death was certain...

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that stupid motherfucker dont know shit...crips and bloods wasnt even the first gang...they the most famous because of the way they talk and dress and the rivalry and the glamour that surround them...so how he tryna hold tookie responsible 4 somethin that was already goin on is just fuckin stupid

[Ali Tha Great]

we're not talking about bush!!!!!!

and we ain't talkin about gang bangin either...we're talking about one man and how he changed his perspective of life after he got locked up and tried to help katts c how gang bangin is stupid and u still giving him heat for it...I told ur dumb ass before that gang bangin is inevitable and gangs didn't start wit tookie and eventually somebody would have started a black gang which could have been even more fucked up than what crips and bloods are now...at least he tried to undo what he started...that takes alot of balls to pull that kinda shit brah...to going from a complete monster to a dude who writes childrens books and is lecturing youngins on how he made a mistake on his part wit starting the shit...and don't tell me he did that shit so he would get a lighter sentence because he changed for the better while he was on deathrow and his death was certain...

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that stupid motherfucker dont know shit...crips and bloods wasnt even the first gang...they the most famous because of the way they talk and dress and the rivalry and the glamour that surround them...so how he tryna hold tookie responsible 4 somethin that was already goin on is just fuckin stupid

fareal dawg...dis stupid ass muhfucka "fabianbonaparte" don't know shit and keeps talkin outta his ass...

[Elano]

and also- in his hayday tookie would have killed any one of you motherfuckers just for laughs. he was a cold blooded killer and damn proud of it. i think that for all the unnesecary violence he did just to inflate his ego he deserved to spend his lifein prison, but at the same time you have to remember who he had influence over. to young niggas growing up and starting to get into the whole jacking/jumping niggas gangbang shit, tookie was like a god. theyrenot going to listen to their parents or the cops or any of that shit about staying out of trouble because what the fuck do those people know? but if they allowed tookie to stay alive and speak to groups of young niggas who are just getting into the shit, they may have actually taken his advice. oh well

you are a fuckin joke

[Bch]

^^ your european closest you've been to a crip is "booyuka aka messi19" lol..

 

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again tookie wasn't a hero, and alot of young g's don't look up to him, and i think everybody should get a chance to make a change, from hoes,pimps,killers,presidents haha all that shit,but you have to show and prove and it shouldn't come easy, i won't say fabian is wrong for thinking the way he does,it's his opinion and it is a forum and thats what we do here,i think he can go overboard sometime but hey that's him,keep doing you my equal, your topics got people talk'n and that's a good thang yell

[midwestryder]

YA'LL SOME 'OL POOR US NIGGAS.

HOW YOU KNOW SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE SET EM UP.
THE FUNNY PART OF THE WHOLE THING IS....THE CRIPS WERE STARTED OR CO-FOUNDED BY A HOMO-PEDOPHILE

WOW!!

AND PLEASE TELL ME YOU DUDES AIN'T JUSTIFYING WHAT HE DID

then you most be some stuck up rich nigga who has never been to the hood .the crips & all gangs were not started by black people but the CIA & FBI. they destroied black panthers & tghen the tricked us with our own kind to strat gangs to make out of poor as hood you have never lived in.

[E-Class]

again tookie wasn't a hero, and alot of young g's don't look up to him, and i think everybody should get a chance to make a change, from hoes,pimps,killers,presidents haha all that shit,but you have to show and prove and it shouldn't come easy, i won't say fabian is wrong for thinking the way he does,it's his opinion and it is a forum and thats what we do here,i think he can go overboard sometime but hey that's him,keep doing you my equal, your topics got people talk'n and that's a good thang yell

and that's all it is g. black men search so desperately for a role model. before obama we really didn't have no concrete cat to model ourselves after.
so from my perspective, when i saw niggas wit tookie up on they myspace pages and nominating the nigga for a nobel prize, i just thought to myself, wow, we need help as a people.

what's so noble about feeling sorry for people you murdered and making up for it.....NIGGA, THATS THE LEAST YOU CAN DO.

nobody talks about how he laughed about it after it happened.

we need to be honoring cats like ivan van sertima, cheik anta diop, magic johnson.....but no, we'd rather pay homage to a nigga who probably would have murked one of us if he didn't get caught.

[E-Class]

i'm really sick of you niggas blaming the gov't or "the man" for this shit.

ain't nobody making these niggas join gangs today.

we can make a conscious decision to stop all this shit right now.
we can stop killing each other now.


what the cia got to do with that.

save that shit homey!!!!

[midwestryder]

again tookie wasn't a hero, and alot of young g's don't look up to him, and i think everybody should get a chance to make a change, from hoes,pimps,killers,presidents haha all that shit,but you have to show and prove and it shouldn't come easy, i won't say fabian is wrong for thinking the way he does,it's his opinion and it is a forum and thats what we do here,i think he can go overboard sometime but hey that's him,keep doing you my equal, your topics got people talk'n and that's a good thang yell

and that's all it is g. black men search so desperately for a role model. before obama we really didn't have no concrete cat to model ourselves after.
so from my perspective, when i saw niggas wit tookie up on they myspace pages and nominating the nigga for a nobel prize, i just thought to myself, wow, we need help as a people.

what's so noble about feeling sorry for people you murdered and making up for it.....NIGGA, THATS THE LEAST YOU CAN DO.

nobody talks about how he laughed about it after it happened.

we need to be honoring cats like ivan van sertima, cheik anta diop, magic johnson.....but no, we'd rather pay homage to a nigga who probably would have murked one of us if he didn't get caught.

you need to go to past & see that no one cared about peoples life back in wild west days & before . people have killed without feeling sorry since the begin of time. people did not originally  make it up to people who's family they killed . .

[midwestryder]

i'm really sick of you niggas blaming the gov't or "the man" for this shit.

ain't nobody making these niggas join gangs today.

we can make a conscious decision to stop all this shit right now.
we can stop killing each other now.


what the cia got to do with that.

save that shit homey!!!!

what do the cia have to do with this? this shopws how much you know . the cia won't let gangs die . they send people all the tiem to keep them alive . black people don't bring guns & drugs into this country. the CIA does & i should know my dad was a vietnam vet & hepled the CIA transport the shit here.The CIA will just have a balck man work for them & kill someone in name of a gang.

[Mister Lepht]

There are hispanic gangs like "White Fence" in L.A. that have been around since the 30's in the zoot suiter days... (gangs over 70 years old) Tookie didnt start gangs.. but he didnt start the crips either.. areas of L.A. that are now black and hispanic were once white in the 50's Compton and INglewood were very white cities..  but when the blacks started moving in the whites started beating up and killing the black boys.. this was different in those days.. the CRIPS were started to escort children to school and partrol blacks in thier new nieghborhoods.. but they grew strong because they were organized.. later Tookie gained power but it went to his head and when drugs came around the focus of the group changed and became more territorial to drug trafficking.. thats how the gang part came around.. but there were already gangs in L.A. for decades before this.. the problem is the crips are now world wide and there are thousands of deaths that might not have happened if there were no crips in the first place.. killing over color..

Back to the story at hand..  my cousin got locked up 3 months ago... and wouldnt you know it he is born again AGAIN!!! Now when he gets outta jail hes gonna marry his girl and become a preacher... lol... he has said this the last 500 times his went to jail.. and everytime he gets out and goes right back to dealing and smoking meth.. so with that I say Tookie did what he had to to try to get off Death Row.. childrens books and mentoring was a tool to not get himself killed.. jail does this to people.. people find god in jail and leave him at the exit when they are released.. Tookie writing childrens books and bullshit like that didnt get him off death row.. dont take those moves that he made as anything more than that.. we would all write childrens books if we thought it would get us off deathrow...

Use our brains and we will overcome..

[parsifal]

Gangs in genral are a sticky wicket take The Conservitive Vice Lords for example where they tried to go legit and the goverment sabotoged them. Or you can have like what happened with the Latin Kings where they used there postive exterior to hide the fact that they where still running drugs and killing people. Life is very much a shade of grey not black and white.

[E-Class]

[/quote]fareal dawg...dis stupid ass muhfucka "fabianbonaparte" don't know shit and keeps talkin outta his ass...
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and what's your deal ali...............

you are madddddddd sensitive.

you need to get some trim or something

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

but its not like he knew for sure he was gon get off tha row.  the percentage of felons gettin off tha row is not good and most stay right where they are, on the row.  yeah he might have had this feelin or thought to begin wit but 20 years later, hes prolly thinkin different. 

There are hispanic gangs like "White Fence" in L.A. that have been around since the 30's in the zoot suiter days... (gangs over 70 years old) Tookie didnt start gangs.. but he didnt start the crips either.. areas of L.A. that are now black and hispanic were once white in the 50's Compton and INglewood were very white cities..  but when the blacks started moving in the whites started beating up and killing the black boys.. this was different in those days.. the CRIPS were started to escort children to school and partrol blacks in thier new nieghborhoods.. but they grew strong because they were organized.. later Tookie gained power but it went to his head and when drugs came around the focus of the group changed and became more territorial to drug trafficking.. thats how the gang part came around.. but there were already gangs in L.A. for decades before this.. the problem is the crips are now world wide and there are thousands of deaths that might not have happened if there were no crips in the first place.. killing over color..

Back to the story at hand..  my cousin got locked up 3 months ago... and wouldnt you know it he is born again AGAIN!!! Now when he gets outta jail hes gonna marry his girl and become a preacher... lol... he has said this the last 500 times his went to jail.. and everytime he gets out and goes right back to dealing and smoking meth.. so with that I say Tookie did what he had to to try to get off Death Row.. childrens books and mentoring was a tool to not get himself killed.. jail does this to people.. people find god in jail and leave him at the exit when they are released.. Tookie writing childrens books and bullshit like that didnt get him off death row.. dont take those moves that he made as anything more than that.. we would all write childrens books if we thought it would get us off deathrow...

Use our brains and we will overcome..