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Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 06, 2008, 07:39:50 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: Jookin247 on August 06, 2008, 12:13:07 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq. oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: Jookin247 on August 06, 2008, 12:13:07 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq. oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.
Quote from: Jookin247 on August 06, 2008, 12:13:07 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.
Quote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.
Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career Totals
kobe is better offensivley because its harder to match up defensivley with a player with an inside and outside game?
Quote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:03:08 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 06, 2008, 07:39:50 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: Jookin247 on August 06, 2008, 12:13:07 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq. oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 07, 2008, 10:16:23 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:03:08 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 06, 2008, 07:39:50 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: Jookin247 on August 06, 2008, 12:13:07 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq. oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on August 07, 2008, 01:05:31 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 07, 2008, 10:16:23 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:03:08 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 06, 2008, 07:39:50 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 06, 2008, 11:08:59 AMQuote from: Jookin247 on August 06, 2008, 12:13:07 AMQuote from: Now_I_Know on August 05, 2008, 10:40:35 PMQuote from: pootypooty on August 05, 2008, 09:07:24 PMKobe Bryant Career Season Avg.Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.Kobe Bryant Career TotalsMichael Jordan Career TotalsGee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq. oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player. Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.that says it all....lolHe for damn sure isnt "on pace" to be better then Jordan. So with that said, what is he on pace for? Second best 2 guard. At some point NIK you gotta understand what everybody else in their right mind already does. Kobe is nowhere near MJ's level, and more then likely wont be. He's in the prime of his career...and still not mentally on the level Jordan ever was. There is no reason to believe he'll make some drastic turnaround lol. You obviously are a fan of his, or more so....obsessed with him. So youre vision is completely clouded. You dont know how to look at this argument with an unbiased opinion. Dont you notice how it seems to be Laker (Kobe) fans vs the rest of the world when it comes to the Kobe vs MJ argument?? lol Whether its MJ fans.....Knick fans....Piston fans....Celtics fans.....doesnt matter. If they arent specifically cheering for Kobe, then they agree. MJ > Kobe....easily.
Jordan = Greatest Bball Player that has ever graced the court and that will never change i dont see kobe winning another 3 championships and i dont even have him winning the first 3 without shaq daddy, while jordan led them to 6 championships and has never lost in the finals whereas kobe has already lost twice and second time in a game where they were gettin demolished jordan would never lose that badly. Kobe nuthuggers can cry all they want and compare but it's never gonan change the fact that MJ is the GOAT.
how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...
Quote from: "THE" MoSav on August 08, 2008, 11:38:07 AMhow you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...First of all, I never said Kobe doesn't have his share of ego, but unlike Jordan, he's able to put his ego in check when needed...Kobe never refused to shoot in that Phoenix game, he was following Phil's command by trying to get everyone involved. If you really think Kobe is willing to lose a Game 7 just to prove a point, then you don't know the first thing about the guy...If you read books about both players, you'd understand where I'm coming from.