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Quote from: eazye on March 03, 2010, 02:32:44 AMQuote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 03:38:18 PMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 11:40:20 AMQuote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instrumentsExcept he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the oppositeAnd Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda MuzikI say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each otherI just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not. I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.
Quote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 03:38:18 PMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 11:40:20 AMQuote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instrumentsExcept he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the oppositeAnd Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda MuzikI say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other
Quote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 11:40:20 AMQuote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instrumentsExcept he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the oppositeAnd Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda MuzikI say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
Quote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instrumentsExcept he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the oppositeAnd Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik
Quote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instrumentsExcept he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments
Quote from: Shallow on March 03, 2010, 08:12:46 AMQuote from: eazye on March 03, 2010, 02:32:44 AMQuote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 03:38:18 PMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 11:40:20 AMQuote from: Shallow on March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AMQuote from: eazye on March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instrumentsExcept he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the oppositeAnd Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda MuzikI say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each otherI just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not. I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.he IS a composer, you can't deny that.just like his name is Andre Young.
i know what you're trying to say & you're right that Dre often creates music based on other peoples' work (especially in the beginning of his career), but he's still a composer.
http://www.answers.com/topic/composer
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on March 08, 2010, 07:37:39 AMhttp://www.answers.com/topic/composerOne who composes.Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.
Quote from: Shallow on March 08, 2010, 02:06:46 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on March 08, 2010, 07:37:39 AMhttp://www.answers.com/topic/composerOne who composes.Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169127.msg1741475#msg1741475
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Quote from: Long Beach Iz Active on March 09, 2010, 12:55:19 PMhow do you post youtube vids?click the insert flash option then paste the youtube url in between.replace the question mark and the equals sign in the url (which is found before and after the v) with the / button.and then you video with be embedded