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Quote from: Shallow on February 16, 2009, 09:08:12 AMI think Will Smith has 5 albums better than GRODT and I don't even know if he has 5 albums. So of course Nas does.lol, I think 50's a fucking moron, but GRODT was kinda enjoyableI'd say:IllmaticStillmaticThe Lost TapesIt Was WrittenHipHop Is DeadI rarely listen to hiphop these days, but maybe I should check out "Untitled". Haven't heard it yet. But well, yes, I agree he has 5, por lo menos
I think Will Smith has 5 albums better than GRODT and I don't even know if he has 5 albums. So of course Nas does.
GRODT was ass. It was ass in 2003. It is ass in 2009. You people continue to belittle yourselves and you musical tastes by acting like that album is classic. If GRODT is a classic, than so are my pubes.
Quote from: R1ZE on February 16, 2009, 02:51:49 PMQuote from: Kill on February 16, 2009, 10:30:05 AM...and does anyone agree Nastradamus shits all over The Massacre?no... i think massacre is very underratedSure its got a bit of filler, but there is alot of dope tracks on there. It absolutely shits all over Curtis. What I'm saying is I agree with that too.
Quote from: Kill on February 16, 2009, 10:30:05 AM...and does anyone agree Nastradamus shits all over The Massacre?no... i think massacre is very underrated
...and does anyone agree Nastradamus shits all over The Massacre?
Quote from: Hatesrats™ on February 16, 2009, 06:08:12 AMAs time passes by, GRODT drop's in rank ,IMOdon't really have alot of reply value to me....A true classic stand's the test of time.(Check Em's stuff, That went stale real quick zero replay value & played disses that no longer hold any weight)I'd put these 3 over GRODT easy.IllmaticIt Was WrittenStillmaticWord, them 3 are without doubt better albums than GRODT but 50s debut was one of the best recent album considered a debut.I agree about alot of eminems material getting played out quick too but grodt>>>sslp as a opening album and illmatic shits on both. It was written and stillmatic are both better than them too.So i agree with your post! pz!
As time passes by, GRODT drop's in rank ,IMOdon't really have alot of reply value to me....A true classic stand's the test of time.(Check Em's stuff, That went stale real quick zero replay value & played disses that no longer hold any weight)I'd put these 3 over GRODT easy.IllmaticIt Was WrittenStillmatic
Quote from: Kill on February 16, 2009, 10:25:17 AMQuote from: Shallow on February 16, 2009, 09:08:12 AMI think Will Smith has 5 albums better than GRODT and I don't even know if he has 5 albums. So of course Nas does.lol, I think 50's a fucking moron, but GRODT was kinda enjoyableI'd say:IllmaticStillmaticThe Lost TapesIt Was WrittenHipHop Is DeadI rarely listen to hiphop these days, but maybe I should check out "Untitled". Haven't heard it yet. But well, yes, I agree he has 5, por lo menosWhen Get Rich came out I was still listening to a lot of hip hop and I had a lot of 50 Cent stuff prior to the release of the album and prior to signing with Aftermath. I really anticipated the album and it was a huge let down for me. I liked the mix tapes a lot and expected to hear an artistic growth on the album, instead I got the opposite. He dumbed himself down and became an image to sell. He was this big bad gangster who got shot and his raps were good because they were real. The album still never got played in my earphones after a month.Anyone that says GRODT was better than SSLP needs to really think about what they are saying. I could give a fuck about production who what album had better club bangers. 50 and Em are rappers abd I'll judge the albums based on the rapping. I personally liked the production and set up of SSLP but I know many did not. But no one can come on here and tell me that 50 Cent was ever remotely close to the level of rapping that Eminem was on as far their debut albums are concerned. Shit the best thing about Get Rich was Eminem's rap.Take the acapellas of each album and compare them and Eminem's is so far and away better it doesn't matter how good the production on GRODT was (which I thought was mediocre, generic, bullshit anyway). At least SS had it's own sound that was distinct and didn't sound like every other gangsta rap album coming out like 50s did. Get Rich was early 2000s hip hop by numbers. Nothing original about it.If Eminem was black and rapped the exact same lines and rhymes but changed the words around for it to be about revolution or some shit it would have been an underground album and so hailed by the hip hop community, but because he was white rapping comedy people find ways to discredit it.And I don't even like SSLP that much.
Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on February 16, 2009, 02:36:32 PMQuote from: Hatesrats™ on February 16, 2009, 06:08:12 AMAs time passes by, GRODT drop's in rank ,IMOdon't really have alot of reply value to me....A true classic stand's the test of time.(Check Em's stuff, That went stale real quick zero replay value & played disses that no longer hold any weight)I'd put these 3 over GRODT easy.IllmaticIt Was WrittenStillmaticWord, them 3 are without doubt better albums than GRODT but 50s debut was one of the best recent album considered a debut.I agree about alot of eminems material getting played out quick too but grodt>>>sslp as a opening album and illmatic shits on both. It was written and stillmatic are both better than them too.So i agree with your post! pz!i heavily disagree; SSLP beats both
'I could give a fuck about production who what album had better club bangers. 50 and Em are rappers abd I'll judge the albums based on the rapping. '^^^that right there is where you are lost. Yes rapping is what you judge a rapper on but this is MUSIC, rapping is part of it. Production on GRODT shits all over sslp if u want to go there. If thats how u judge all music in all genres in general than just buy the accapellas because no need for anything else...but we both know its not just that which makes music great...or terrible...but just to clarify, im not taking anything away from rapping there because its a great art form if you can have a great flow and play with words BUT great rappers will make a great beat into a great song!..Well often if they're on form, so yes rapping is part of that but sometimes, just because you're the better rapper, does not automatically mean you will make the better music/album.
If you want to call the stuff which came out on 50s debut generic in terms of production which is not true for starters, than eminems album at the time it came out had an even more generic sound because alot of music had that sorta sound when it came out. Another thing, 50s debut album within hiphop circles is considered to have had a very impressive and stylish eastcoast sound for the time it was released. It basically was a fresh blueprint in how to make a hiphop album. Not saying its better or worse than previoius blueprints but when it came, it was fresh and something new at the time.
As for you saying about club bangers, thats part of rapping! He was making a club banger and it worked! Eminems always coming out with these shitty corny first single but 50 actually dropped a heated first single! In da club is an amazing club track...yes AMAZING and the production on it is top top class. Thats a beat that will get a club bouncing each time and everyone i knew who liked hiphop and did not loved the joint and the beat at the time which pretty much sums it all up for me.At the time, you had to have a corny single to make a hit, push units etc and then 50 came fresh with an out of the box club banger that was brilliant.
As for the being white part, please. Because he is white he has sold loads more than he should! At his peak, eminem was great BUT he has achieved alot more than he should have based on the fact he is white so people are more amazed that 'damn a white kid can rap like that' which gets him spins on radio stations he should not be getting spins on and gets props where others would not. So dont be playing the white card, because thats bullshit.
Eminems album sounded a mix between what was coming out from dres music and detriots sound whereas 50 had a gangsta album record BUT if you think 50s album sounded like every other gangsta album coming out at the time you're deluded because firstly thats not true, the numbers simply prove that point and it took a different approach.
You say u think 50 had generic bullshit production but was there not a time when you used to say you thought eminem was a better producer than dr dre?? lol, im not sure if that was you but if it was, that would maybe make your point of view a little more understandable.
As for you listening to alot of 50 prior to his album coming out, well if u say so. I won't question that but regardless, 50 came correct on his debut as proved by both his numbers and the general approval the album gets within hiphop circles. (yes i know, numbers do not always mean great albums. For example - Encore, absolute shit)
As for you saying the best thing about grodt was eminems verse, that pretty much sums up your arguement for me. His verse was very good BUT there was a whole bunch of things to come out of that album which was MUCH better than that verse! ...
I know u a big eminem fan or seem to be by mostly being in any thread with his name mentioned and ive been here for years so ive read alot of your shit and usually whether i agree or don't, you usually have a good way of presenting your view but the way you just described 50 and eminem in this, almost sounds like a clueless attempt at a groupie tryna spit 'knowledge'...which we both know u aint, but some of stuff you wrote in that was laughable to me.
Quote 'I could give a fuck about production who what album had better club bangers. 50 and Em are rappers abd I'll judge the albums based on the rapping. '^^^that right there is where you are lost. Yes rapping is what you judge a rapper on but this is MUSIC, rapping is part of it. Production on GRODT shits all over sslp if u want to go there. If thats how u judge all music in all genres in general than just buy the accapellas because no need for anything else...but we both know its not just that which makes music great...or terrible...but just to clarify, im not taking anything away from rapping there because its a great art form if you can have a great flow and play with words BUT great rappers will make a great beat into a great song!..Well often if they're on form, so yes rapping is part of that but sometimes, just because you're the better rapper, does not automatically mean you will make the better music/album. I judge musicians by their music, and rappers by their rapping. If it’s a rap album I look at the rap first, not the basic loops and simple drum programming. Both 50 and Eminem, and Dre for that matter, suck at making music. 50 is best at selling himself. Em is best at witty melodic rhymes, and Dre is best at stealing from 70s funk.If any of these people actually composed music I’d judge the music, but when all you do is rhyme over someone else’s music I’ll judge the rapper’s performance. It’s like if I were to listen to two Jazz trumpeters that each released an album of Jazz standards. One trumpeter has a bunch of easy to listen to hits and plays passably while the other takes a bunch of obscure tracks and plays the shit out of them. The latter album will always be better to me.Take the Illmatic acappelas and put them with the simplest most boring loops you can think of, then take the top ten hip hop productions you know and put the worst rapper over them. Nas rapping over fart sounds would a better album as far as I’m concerned.I could listen to Doggystyle with much more enjoyment than I ever could Illmatic but Illmatic is on another plateau that Doggystyle cannot reach.Quote If you want to call the stuff which came out on 50s debut generic in terms of production which is not true for starters, than eminems album at the time it came out had an even more generic sound because alot of music had that sorta sound when it came out. Another thing, 50s debut album within hiphop circles is considered to have had a very impressive and stylish eastcoast sound for the time it was released. It basically was a fresh blueprint in how to make a hiphop album. Not saying its better or worse than previoius blueprints but when it came, it was fresh and something new at the time. I’m not calling it generic. It is generic. Whether you want to admit that or not is up to you. In Da Club is every Dre production given out to other artists since after 2001. Whether it’s 50, Mary J Blige, Ice Cube, Xzibit, or the Rolling fucking Stones, it’s generic 2000s hip hop production. The production is all the exact same for all of these artists.Note; production not composition. Most rap fans don’t know the difference. I’m just making myself clear about. I’m not saying you don’t know the difference.SSLP’s production, the Bass brothers, was the opposite of generic. It was very distinct with regards to mainstream rap and had its own sound not commonplace in hip hop. It was also very unpolished and almost amateurish which distinguished it even more.Quote As for you saying about club bangers, thats part of rapping! He was making a club banger and it worked! Eminems always coming out with these shitty corny first single but 50 actually dropped a heated first single! In da club is an amazing club track...yes AMAZING and the production on it is top top class. Thats a beat that will get a club bouncing each time and everyone i knew who liked hiphop and did not loved the joint and the beat at the time which pretty much sums it all up for me.At the time, you had to have a corny single to make a hit, push units etc and then 50 came fresh with an out of the box club banger that was brilliant. So Nelly, Ja Rule, Cash Money, Luda were selling all those album with corny singles, not club tracks?Quote As for the being white part, please. Because he is white he has sold loads more than he should! At his peak, eminem was great BUT he has achieved alot more than he should have based on the fact he is white so people are more amazed that 'damn a white kid can rap like that' which gets him spins on radio stations he should not be getting spins on and gets props where others would not. So dont be playing the white card, because thats bullshit. I’m not arguing that Em would have been as popular if he wasn’t white. I did say the opposite when I said if he was black and never became famous. I’m saying he never gets respected by certain black hip hop fans because he’s white. We all now his skin made him the huge star he's become.Quote Eminems album sounded a mix between what was coming out from dres music and detriots sound whereas 50 had a gangsta album record BUT if you think 50s album sounded like every other gangsta album coming out at the time you're deluded because firstly thats not true, the numbers simply prove that point and it took a different approach. The numbers are partly because of Eminem and how big he was at the time and how closely associated 50 was with him. In pro wrestling the term is called getting a rub. The numbers are also just as much due to the guys image and his ability to sell it. He was put out brilliantly as “the real deal”. He had been shot. People were after him. He looked like a dangerous thug. You could sell the guy and he knew how to sell himself at same tme. That’s why Get Rich did so well while Restless did not. You take Xzibit, parade him around as Em’s new right hand, make a big budget video for Don’t Approach Me and treat Xzibit like he’s brand new on the scene and a real gangster with real guns and then let him try and sell that image and all of a sudden Restless goes 4 platinum.50s album wasn’t saying anything that Jay or Nas albums of the late 90s and early 2000s were saying, lyrically and musically. But he had more promotion and again the Eminem rub.Say what you want about the guy but between 99 and 2003 Eminem was far and away the biggest name in music and when he put his all behind a guy, meaning name dropping him every ten seconds and promoting him that guy becomes huge. Devil’s Night was like 2 or 3 platinum. What would that album have sold with out Em’s name on it?And what Dre stuff of the time? Dre hadn’t released music in a while when SSLP dropped. And take Em out of the equation and the 6 platinum 2001 would have been lucky to go 3x. Make a video for Renegade and Blueprint triples in sales.There is a reason why Em can drop a complete piece of shit like Encore and still go half diamond while 50 can combine every sale from every album he was on after Get Rich and still not reach a third of the success.50 was a gimmick that ran dry while Em is a still a bonafide star like Michael Jackson. No matter how bad the follow up album gets they’ll still sell a lot more than they should.Quote You say u think 50 had generic bullshit production but was there not a time when you used to say you thought eminem was a better producer than dr dre?? lol, im not sure if that was you but if it was, that would maybe make your point of view a little more understandable. I don’t remember ever saying that. I certainly don't hold that opinion. I really don’t think much of either as a producer. Dre at his best is the David Foster of hip hop. Fuck David Foster.Trent Reznor, Rza, Jack White, Phil Spector, Rick Rubin, Brendan O’Brien. Those are great producers.Quote As for you listening to alot of 50 prior to his album coming out, well if u say so. I won't question that but regardless, 50 came correct on his debut as proved by both his numbers and the general approval the album gets within hiphop circles. (yes i know, numbers do not always mean great albums. For example - Encore, absolute shit) I post on a hip hop forum and have for years. You doubt whether or not I knew of 50 before he signed with Shady? Those mixtapes were everywhere. How To Rob was famous on almost every forum I knew of.Quote As for you saying the best thing about grodt was eminems verse, that pretty much sums up your arguement for me. His verse was very good BUT there was a whole bunch of things to come out of that album which was MUCH better than that verse! ... And I don’t even like the verse.Quote I know u a big eminem fan or seem to be by mostly being in any thread with his name mentioned and ive been here for years so ive read alot of your shit and usually whether i agree or don't, you usually have a good way of presenting your view but the way you just described 50 and eminem in this, almost sounds like a clueless attempt at a groupie tryna spit 'knowledge'...which we both know u aint, but some of stuff you wrote in that was laughable to me. Maybe when I was 17 everything you said here would be true. But that was almost ten years ago.In the grand scheme of things I’m not a big Eminem fan. I have no plans on buying his next album. I have no desire to see him live if he tours. I barely listen to his old music. He is not on my top 100 artists list. At his best he was very funny (frat humor), very witty, and he rapped very musically (which was much better than his shitty sing songy musical raps of more recent years).But every time Em attempted to be serious or say something real he fell very short when I look back at it. Sure when Stan came out and I was 18 I thought it was genius. But I’m not 18 anymore. His serious songs are too Paul Haggis for me. They leave very little to the imagination and are way too literal, like most rap, but more importantly I never bought or felt his emotions either.2pac’s body of work suffered from a lot of the same shit but in the end it was much tighter and more believable. He conveyed himself much better than Em, and that’s why Tupac would easily get a spot on my top 100.
I'll stick to 3. The first 3 you said.
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yea, i cant believe i forgotpossibly the 2nd or 3rd best after ill