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I hate when people blame McMahon. He didn't make Test take shit. He choose to do all of that. People need to take more responsibility for their own actions.
RIP TestYet another wrestler passes away far too earlyIts time that something is done to stop this trend that has been happening in pro wrestling for far too long
Nevertheless, R.I.P. to the man who never got to marry Stephanie McMahon.
Quote from: Shallow on March 14, 2009, 11:16:32 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on March 14, 2009, 11:08:50 PMTest did look ridiculously roided up in his final run with the WWE.I know it's unfair to blame steroids every single time, but you have to admit, that does seem to be the common denominator amongst all of these wrestlers who recently passed away. Depending on how badly they abused it, being clean for a couple years isn't going to reverse all of the side effects that it could take on someone's health.Nevertheless, R.I.P. to the man who never got to marry Stephanie McMahon.The common denominator is steroids + pain killers + roofies + coke + heroin + alcohol + sleeping pills + whatever the fuck else you can think of. Take steroids out of that list and these guys still end up dead. Not Eddie, or anyone else who was clean for several years. His enlarged heart complications was a result of steroid abuse. Most the other shit you listed, despite all having horrible long-term effects, isn't going to destroy your heart like that in a fatal manner when you've been staying away from it for so long.It just so happens that a lot of these other guys who passed away in the past couple years weren't clean of everything when they died, so the steroids gets mixed into all the other shit that they've done.
Quote from: Halu Sination on March 14, 2009, 11:08:50 PMTest did look ridiculously roided up in his final run with the WWE.I know it's unfair to blame steroids every single time, but you have to admit, that does seem to be the common denominator amongst all of these wrestlers who recently passed away. Depending on how badly they abused it, being clean for a couple years isn't going to reverse all of the side effects that it could take on someone's health.Nevertheless, R.I.P. to the man who never got to marry Stephanie McMahon.The common denominator is steroids + pain killers + roofies + coke + heroin + alcohol + sleeping pills + whatever the fuck else you can think of. Take steroids out of that list and these guys still end up dead.
Test did look ridiculously roided up in his final run with the WWE.I know it's unfair to blame steroids every single time, but you have to admit, that does seem to be the common denominator amongst all of these wrestlers who recently passed away. Depending on how badly they abused it, being clean for a couple years isn't going to reverse all of the side effects that it could take on someone's health.Nevertheless, R.I.P. to the man who never got to marry Stephanie McMahon.
Quote from: Halu Sination on March 14, 2009, 11:40:39 PMQuote from: Shallow on March 14, 2009, 11:16:32 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on March 14, 2009, 11:08:50 PMTest did look ridiculously roided up in his final run with the WWE.I know it's unfair to blame steroids every single time, but you have to admit, that does seem to be the common denominator amongst all of these wrestlers who recently passed away. Depending on how badly they abused it, being clean for a couple years isn't going to reverse all of the side effects that it could take on someone's health.Nevertheless, R.I.P. to the man who never got to marry Stephanie McMahon.The common denominator is steroids + pain killers + roofies + coke + heroin + alcohol + sleeping pills + whatever the fuck else you can think of. Take steroids out of that list and these guys still end up dead. Not Eddie, or anyone else who was clean for several years. His enlarged heart complications was a result of steroid abuse. Most the other shit you listed, despite all having horrible long-term effects, isn't going to destroy your heart like that in a fatal manner when you've been staying away from it for so long.It just so happens that a lot of these other guys who passed away in the past couple years weren't clean of everything when they died, so the steroids gets mixed into all the other shit that they've done.If what you are saying is true then the body building world would have a much higher body count than wrestling. Where are the dead bodybuilders?Quote from: King Sikotic II on March 15, 2009, 12:05:22 AMI hate when people blame McMahon. He didn't make Test take shit. He choose to do all of that. People need to take more responsibility for their own actions.McMahon chose in the 80s to create a product that promotes a wrestler with a certain physique. McMahon chose to sell these hulking muscle men to children. McMahon chose to do everything but personal sell the steroids to wrestlers. McMahon chose to put guys on the road 300 days a year with out paying for their travel or shelter. The wrestlers chose to go through with it. That's their own fault. It doesn't change the fact that McMahon is a slimy cunt.There are only two men that could have stopped McMahon from running the business the way he did, Hogan the night before Wrestlemania 3 and Austin the night before Wrestlemania 17. Either of those men at those times could have made a list of demands for the entire company and told McMahon to sign or they don't show for Mania. Both of those men were told by peers at the time that they can do it. Both of those men refused to. So it's not any more Vince's fault than it is Hogan's or Austin's.At the end of the day McMahon is a circus man. He preys on the stupid and uses them for his act and when he doesn't need them any more he throws them away. He's nothing like his father, and when Vince himself isn't around to praise his own name no one else is going to do it. He single-handedly destroyed the wrestling business and he doesn't even know it yet.
Quote from: Shallow on March 15, 2009, 08:26:45 AMQuote from: Halu Sination on March 14, 2009, 11:40:39 PMQuote from: Shallow on March 14, 2009, 11:16:32 PMQuote from: Halu Sination on March 14, 2009, 11:08:50 PMTest did look ridiculously roided up in his final run with the WWE.I know it's unfair to blame steroids every single time, but you have to admit, that does seem to be the common denominator amongst all of these wrestlers who recently passed away. Depending on how badly they abused it, being clean for a couple years isn't going to reverse all of the side effects that it could take on someone's health.Nevertheless, R.I.P. to the man who never got to marry Stephanie McMahon.The common denominator is steroids + pain killers + roofies + coke + heroin + alcohol + sleeping pills + whatever the fuck else you can think of. Take steroids out of that list and these guys still end up dead. Not Eddie, or anyone else who was clean for several years. His enlarged heart complications was a result of steroid abuse. Most the other shit you listed, despite all having horrible long-term effects, isn't going to destroy your heart like that in a fatal manner when you've been staying away from it for so long.It just so happens that a lot of these other guys who passed away in the past couple years weren't clean of everything when they died, so the steroids gets mixed into all the other shit that they've done.If what you are saying is true then the body building world would have a much higher body count than wrestling. Where are the dead bodybuilders?Quote from: King Sikotic II on March 15, 2009, 12:05:22 AMI hate when people blame McMahon. He didn't make Test take shit. He choose to do all of that. People need to take more responsibility for their own actions.McMahon chose in the 80s to create a product that promotes a wrestler with a certain physique. McMahon chose to sell these hulking muscle men to children. McMahon chose to do everything but personal sell the steroids to wrestlers. McMahon chose to put guys on the road 300 days a year with out paying for their travel or shelter. The wrestlers chose to go through with it. That's their own fault. It doesn't change the fact that McMahon is a slimy cunt.There are only two men that could have stopped McMahon from running the business the way he did, Hogan the night before Wrestlemania 3 and Austin the night before Wrestlemania 17. Either of those men at those times could have made a list of demands for the entire company and told McMahon to sign or they don't show for Mania. Both of those men were told by peers at the time that they can do it. Both of those men refused to. So it's not any more Vince's fault than it is Hogan's or Austin's.At the end of the day McMahon is a circus man. He preys on the stupid and uses them for his act and when he doesn't need them any more he throws them away. He's nothing like his father, and when Vince himself isn't around to praise his own name no one else is going to do it. He single-handedly destroyed the wrestling business and he doesn't even know it yet.You usually make complete sense, but I'm really gonna have to respectively disagree with you on this one. You really think Hogan and Austin were able to predict the magnitude of their success back before they ever reached it? Let me try to think from the perspective you would of liked Hogan or Austin to have: you have been hand picked by the owner of your company to be its new star. You've busted your ass night in and night out, broke bones, sacrificed your health and family living on the road, and right when it is all about to pay off........you tell your boss you refuse to have the torch passed on to you until you and your buddies get additional compensation? I'm I'm not mistaken, the man formerly known as Jim Hellwig a.k.a. The Ultimate Warrior made similar demands back when he was red hot and after wards never reached the amount of success he previously had again. Anyone who was put in the same situation as Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin or The Rock would be a complete dumbass to risk their opportunity for the good of everyone else.You can call Vince a cunt, an asshole, a selfish man....whatever you want, however, those are all the qualities of a good businessman. He was simply giving the people what they wanted in the 80's with the muscular physiques and over the top personalities. Let's not forget that there were plenty of territories/promotions at that time like the AWA and NWA that offered amazing wrestling and ring psychology, but Vince provided something different and unique that attracted the attention of the fans. And just like he never forced a fan by gunpoint to watch his programming and order his pay-per-views, he never force fed pills or steroids to any of his performers. They did it because they knew what the fans wanted and they knew that if they didn't give the fans what they wanted (or what Vince thought the fans wanted) then they would remain on the bottom of the barrel or get fired.And being the great capitalist that Vince is, his mission as a businessman was always to eliminate the competition....yes, even ECW. He knew they would never take over his empire, that's why he allowed some of his talent to work for ECW and vice versa. Did that kill the business? Hell yeah it did. I don't blame Vince for killing all of his competition, however, I do blame him for not making the most at such a golden opportunity i.e. the Invasion angle. Now that Vince is in complete control, he has no reason to listen to the fans, but once again the fans will eventually become fed up and stop watching. Then and only then will the business become successful again.
Those are some good points. I agree that there won't be any competition anytime soon if ever. And I agree 100% that Vince has fucked up the wrestling content. I still find it hard to blame him for what he has done. It kinda questions his "love" for the business too.
I hope so because Russo and TNA are doing a worse job than Vince and his creative team are doing.
I heard about it, but never got a chance to check out OVWs product. I'm not all too familiar with the TNA booking situation other than the fact that Vince Russo has a hand in things, but I'm hoping Cornette isn't on the creative team and just on-air talent because I know he is more capable of creating a better product than what TNA is putting out. I try really hard to watch it because they have a lot of great talent, but that shit is borderline unbearable.
'Oh I can't see him, I can't see God', YA'LL CAN'T SEE FUCKIN' AIR NEITHER!
Prove to me the wind. Show me the wind man. I want proof of that shit. Cuz I don't see it.
i predict 5 more wrestlers will die this year.RIP test. T&A!!!! that was a cool tag team...mainly cause of trish lmao