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Quote from: virtuoso on March 24, 2009, 08:02:29 PMI think those of you who do think they are thinking outside of the box, aren't looking at this logically. Now let's suppose that there were aliens or what have you and it was oh so apparent to us, why would the government cover up something like that? the answer clearly can not be because they don't want to alarm the public, after all, the method of whipping the general public into a frenzy, into a state of fear, alerted paranoia that terrorists are going to strike has now become such a common place, that we don't even talk about it anymore it's become a normality. So what is clear to me is that this strikes much closer to home, I watched an interesting Bill Cooper youtube video in which he raises this very subject and focuses in on the fact that for over 50 years we have been conditioned to accept that aliens are roaming around the earths sky's. We have been conditioned to react with the notion"that's not human" but the idea that something isn't human particularly in relation to it's looks, does not mean it was not created by humans. However the very letters UFO immediately create images of something out of this world. Now we know the elite of the world are pure evil, we also know that to a large degree even those that rubbish the notion of manufactured terrorism know all about it. So therefore this greatly limits the ability of that cabal government to not necessarily pull it off although the police state does make that harder to sell to the public, but increasingly it's no longer having the same impact. To put this into context, there are some who would love mass death, it hasn't stopped them in the past and the way they see it is they are doing their best for humanity and therfore mass murder is a necessary evil to achieve their aims.Therefore if these aren't UFOS and in fact they are a product of many years of secret testing and research which has created aircraft drones which do indeed look like nothing else we have witnessed and behave like nothing we have experienced before, then we need to quickly rethink the paradigms. This is clearly at the very least feasible, after all the whole point of secret testing is to keep the wraps on any given study, then don't think for a moment that those bastards would not and have not entertained the idea of using these "UFOS" as a means of creating the visions created by H G Wells/ If you recall war of the worlds for instance, in which eventually the earth would would be saved and the threat wiped out, then the aftershock would be so great and the scars so deep that it would leave the world in such a turbulent monumental mess, that all of their plans could take shape.I hasten to add, I am not saying this is going to happen, more so it's what could happen. I also think that it's yet another example of the misunderstanding gap that exists from not reading books because it's not surprising to say that so much of what was mentioned in science fiction books some 70 plus years ago, is now unfolding, or in the midst of unfolding. None of that has happened by accident, in the same vein that George Orwell was not some magical prophet, he wasn't a visionary, he was a guy that had worked within the bowels of the intelligence services and was privy to the blueprint which had been designed for the world.My best guess if this is the case, would lead to think that the reason why the mainstream media have now been given the green light to document this, to report it a conventional manner, is because they feel the public has now bought into this. There are lots of empirical pieces which hold up that this might be the case, but none as bizarre and creepy as to when Regan suddenly went completely outside of the theme of his speech and suddenly starting talking about if there was a threat from outside this world, then it would bring the people of the world together.Here is another telling quoteToday Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.They don't admit their existence because once the cat's outta the bag, the powers that be lose their power. Think about this - Mainstream science looks at only four fields of energy. You have electrical, magnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear force. Those four forces are believed to comprise the entire universe in terms of its energy — more when you get into Russia and a lot of alternative Western research as well.But mainstream science in Russia has identified another field that they call the torsion field. Now, in Western science you do have a torsion field. In the Western model, it is just essentially some of the spinning movement that happens within an atom.But the Russians have decided that this spinning movement [also] travels between atoms — it doesn’t just stay in the atom. And that’s actually this whole new field, which seems to be more coupled up with gravity than it is with electromagnetic energy.There’s been a lot of scientific studies that have shown some really compelling stuff to prove that this energy not only exists, [but we can build working technologies out of it.] In fact, there’s a guy in Germany named Dr. Hartmut Müller who has invented a cell-phone that runs on torsion fields rather than electromagnetic energy.That means you could be in concrete bunkers miles underground and get a cell-phone call just as clear as if you’re on the surface. And because these fields don’t travel at light speed — they travel effectively instantaneously — you could be hanging out at the edge of the solar system and talk to somebody in real time with no delay. If this energy is tapped, it's free and limitless. All the sudden you have little to no need for the traditional sources of energy on our planet. So think what this means for corporations, take pharmaceuticals. They don't cure anything - there's no money in that. They come up with a pill you have to take everyday so you are a life long customer. They don't want to admit that there is limitless energy supply because once they do, they don't have the $ and without that they have no control. Of course, TV & Hollywood have shown us actual real ET stuff mixed in with extremely crazy cooky shit to make you think that if there are indeed aliens, they are scary and evil. There are evil ones, but there are also benevolent ones. And all are similar looking to us on Earth, not mutated crazy monsters. So while you're arguing that if there were ET's the govt would acknowledge them and use that as a control mechanism. The problem with that is this - once the general public acknowledges the existance of ET's, we will certainly have much more encounters w/ them. The reason we don't have more now is because they don't impose on our free will. It's kind of universal law - love for self, for others, for everything. No manipulation, no negativity. And as a society, we haven't yet showed that we are ready. They watch us from far away and see that we can't even get along with ourselves, how in the hell are we going to mesh with the inter-galactic community. They view us as little children at this point, and I don't blame them. And after we start having standard contact, people will realize that many are very loving and sympathetic, and want to help us. They are vastly technologically superior to us. Once the cat's outta the bag, the establishment's power is gone.
I think those of you who do think they are thinking outside of the box, aren't looking at this logically. Now let's suppose that there were aliens or what have you and it was oh so apparent to us, why would the government cover up something like that? the answer clearly can not be because they don't want to alarm the public, after all, the method of whipping the general public into a frenzy, into a state of fear, alerted paranoia that terrorists are going to strike has now become such a common place, that we don't even talk about it anymore it's become a normality. So what is clear to me is that this strikes much closer to home, I watched an interesting Bill Cooper youtube video in which he raises this very subject and focuses in on the fact that for over 50 years we have been conditioned to accept that aliens are roaming around the earths sky's. We have been conditioned to react with the notion"that's not human" but the idea that something isn't human particularly in relation to it's looks, does not mean it was not created by humans. However the very letters UFO immediately create images of something out of this world. Now we know the elite of the world are pure evil, we also know that to a large degree even those that rubbish the notion of manufactured terrorism know all about it. So therefore this greatly limits the ability of that cabal government to not necessarily pull it off although the police state does make that harder to sell to the public, but increasingly it's no longer having the same impact. To put this into context, there are some who would love mass death, it hasn't stopped them in the past and the way they see it is they are doing their best for humanity and therfore mass murder is a necessary evil to achieve their aims.Therefore if these aren't UFOS and in fact they are a product of many years of secret testing and research which has created aircraft drones which do indeed look like nothing else we have witnessed and behave like nothing we have experienced before, then we need to quickly rethink the paradigms. This is clearly at the very least feasible, after all the whole point of secret testing is to keep the wraps on any given study, then don't think for a moment that those bastards would not and have not entertained the idea of using these "UFOS" as a means of creating the visions created by H G Wells/ If you recall war of the worlds for instance, in which eventually the earth would would be saved and the threat wiped out, then the aftershock would be so great and the scars so deep that it would leave the world in such a turbulent monumental mess, that all of their plans could take shape.I hasten to add, I am not saying this is going to happen, more so it's what could happen. I also think that it's yet another example of the misunderstanding gap that exists from not reading books because it's not surprising to say that so much of what was mentioned in science fiction books some 70 plus years ago, is now unfolding, or in the midst of unfolding. None of that has happened by accident, in the same vein that George Orwell was not some magical prophet, he wasn't a visionary, he was a guy that had worked within the bowels of the intelligence services and was privy to the blueprint which had been designed for the world.My best guess if this is the case, would lead to think that the reason why the mainstream media have now been given the green light to document this, to report it a conventional manner, is because they feel the public has now bought into this. There are lots of empirical pieces which hold up that this might be the case, but none as bizarre and creepy as to when Regan suddenly went completely outside of the theme of his speech and suddenly starting talking about if there was a threat from outside this world, then it would bring the people of the world together.Here is another telling quoteToday Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.
the bermuda triangle is the entrance to the centre of the earth
Quote from: ωεεźγ ғ on March 25, 2009, 10:11:53 AM. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.Read up on the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk. We've reverse engineered tech from Roswell and did some pretty amazing stuff.
Quote from: Underground King on March 25, 2009, 12:59:00 PMQuote from: ωεεźγ ғ on March 25, 2009, 10:11:53 AM. Fuck up Earth too bad? From what I can tell you, we've fucked Earth up enough already starting from natural resources all the way to stock emissions up in our ozones. If anyone/anything was going to intervene, it would have done so by now. I like many peoples logic on here, but they are making such strong statements about the existence of 'god' and 'aliens' without any concrete evidence that it turns into a self defeating argument.Read up on the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk. We've reverse engineered tech from Roswell and did some pretty amazing stuff. Roswell happened in 1947 while the Philidelphia Experiment happened in 1943. So there is no way the Roswell stuff was reverse engineered to be used in the Philidelphia project. Can not take all of these events for any face value except Roswell, as it is the one event with several witnesses, whose reports were consistent and everything to do with other experiments/events, the reports from those involved were fairly incosistent. Still these things do not prove God or even Aliens really.
In a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence. With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable.
I have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence.
Quote from: RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND on March 26, 2009, 12:44:09 AMIn a court of law, objective evidence and enough subjective personal testimony will usually allow you a verdict on the existence and facts of an event. A really strong arguement needs a combination of both types of supporting evidence. With this ufo and alien shit, if you look into it; the documented personal and historical cultural testimony is huge, its undeniable. Just like the existence of Satan, so i can go shootup my school and claim that satan possessed me and made me do it. The court of law would have to believe me and find me innocent as there are huge amounts of objective/subjective/documented historical/cultural evidence on demonic possessions to acquit me.
Quote from: ωεεźγ ғ on March 26, 2009, 03:20:27 PMI have a hard time believing the source from which you got the article from as 'ufocasebook' when i explored through it seemed like a site that strongly advocates the existence of UFO's. This is just like me pulling out an article from 'whitepower.com' about how skin color determines intelligence level. And that article also got 'witnesses (from experiments)' and 'scientists' claiming that the darker your skin pigmentation, the lower your intelligence. lol, do you even know who Kevin Randle is? He's arguably the greatest expert on Roswell, has done endless amounts of research. He interviewed this man as well and verified the story. And where do you recommend looking for UFO information...foxnews.com? Do you believe crop circles are man made?