Official Eminem "Relapse" Discussion Thread

[bez]

Just to add, I love the 3AM video. Dope.

[THERapist Ben]

When you think about it, We Made You is actually one of the best tracks on the album, now thats saying something.

wtf? FAIL

[Action!]

Can I be an Eminem groupie if I don't even listen to his first 4 releases? Infinite to Eminem Show.  I've heard'em all and respect them but I don't bump them.  

I feel weird because I only bump Encore and Relapse.  Both albums I defend because I enjoy them and, particularly Encore gets a lot of hate for, what I see, as silly reasons.  I'm a groupie because of this?

I'm also willing to admit that I when I listen to music I make a film in my mind and that should be obvious because I wrote out my entire perspective of the cd.  I laid out in how I interpreted the music.  It's there, you've got ears, and you can tell me if I'm wrong.  I'm open to it.  We all hear differently.  I could easily be reaching so the film in my head is complete.  

You tell me how you hear shit.  

[Dre-Day]

Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer.

you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.

ask Matty

Maybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.

Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol

i hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss   

It's neither  

I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks  

Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss  

you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.

Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept."  However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.

The beats are pretty good for the most part.  Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though.  There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.

like who?

Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.

i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.
his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.
i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time 

to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now

Khalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO.  And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected.  Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that.  And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is.  Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced.  I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied.  This shit kills me.  At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity.  

i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person 
cause i can write pages about that too 

but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.
that's bias right there

How is that bias?  Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something.  Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth.  That's a fact. 

it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.
it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.
you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as Dre

Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?

it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am

Paris doesn't have an entire squad of people around him.  He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases.  He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics.  However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work.  That's one hell of a difference between the 2.

Locomotive?  Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?)  I would say yes.  If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year.  These excuses need to kick rocks.

stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.
i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.

also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?

by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.
this isn't about who's right or wrong.
but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Dre
he may be overrated, but that's another story.

I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is.  And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself.  And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.

LOL@ trying to save face.  You've got to be kidding me!!  I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write.  And I'm not biased towards Dre.  I'm honest.  I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it.  I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though.  And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record.  Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. 

again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.

no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.
the truth is, you can't.
you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,
but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.

you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.
that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.

we could also go on off course, that's fine too.
i was just trying to help you realise something

Wow.  We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be.  I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography.  He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth.  I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO.  But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head.  IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.

Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything.  That is an assumption.  My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it.  Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them.  I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend.  When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.  

you just proved that you don't know shit about producing.
i'm not able to gain knowledge for you, you need to do that yourself before running your mouth.

also, you can stick with your thick headed version of the truth, but as i said, the reality is that you're still trying to beat around the bush.
that's not an assumption: it's just how you act.

by the way, you got it wrong if you think that this is about Dre: i hate bias & i especially hate it when someone denies it and covers it. so don't blame me for confronting you with it; don't do the crime, if you can't do the time

so Dre doesn't need to do anything, as you made a mistake, not Dr.Dre. you're stuck with a misconception.
it's you that needs to change.
you need to have the balls to shallow your pride.

so don't even bother contacting me about this, unless you've finally realised that you were wrong.

LMAO!!  You're rather amusing.  Thanks for my lesson.  I'm highly enlightened now, massa!  Appreciate it, Dre-Day.  

well i hope for you that you didn't just laugh at me sarcastically, and actually learned a lesson.
otherwise you keep running into people unnecessarily.

[Matty]

hey Action! chill out. sounds like your digging this record without being swept up in the intiial hype, so good on you. im in the starved for good music camp myself and this doesn't hit the spot. i think the lack of quality releases is a big factor for people dropping their standards and thinking records like this are better than they actually are. i'm not an eminem fan but i expected better results with dre producing the whole thing.

you didn't think encore was terrible...well thats good! and i'm being straight, i'm glad somebody liked it cause it was wasted on my ears.

having said that, anyone feeling this is definitely starved for good music cause RELAPSE IS A PILE OF CRAP!!! nah i'm joking. or maybe im HATING

[bez]

When you think about it, We Made You is actually one of the best tracks on the album, now thats saying something.

wtf? FAIL

VICTORY!!!!!!

No seriously. When you listen to it a few times its a banging tune.

[Dre-Day]

i love how there is so much defensiveness against any negative opinions. discounting the trolls and general stupidity, it's obvious that people are literally STARVED for some good music.

i won't front - from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.

will relapse 2 be encore part 3? i wouldn't bet against it.

and that 'same song and dance' track is really terrible, a bad look for dawaun parker.

maybe you should make a topic about it

[MR X To Tha Z]

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eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[Action!]

hey Action! chill out. sounds like your digging this record without being swept up in the intiial hype, so good on you. im in the starved for good music camp myself and this doesn't hit the spot. i think the lack of quality releases is a big factor for people dropping their standards and thinking records like that are better than they actually are. i'm not an eminem fan but i expected better results with dre producing the whole thing.

you didn't think encore was terrible...well thats good! and i'm being straight, i'm glad somebody liked it cause it was wasted on my ears.

having said that, anyone feeling this is definitely starved for good music cause RELAPSE IS A PILE OF CRAP!!! nah i'm joking. or maybe im HATING

I dig I dig.  I'm just discussing with a little heat.  I most def respect your opinion because you're not on some hater shit.  I'm feeling weird for liking music that everybody is hating on.  Ya dig?  Feeling like I got to defend my ears which I got to admit are pretty shitty.  I got this hearing problem where I can like about anything if I listened to it enough. 

Anyways, that's my word, I'm done discussing Em and shit.

[Matty]

well +1 for having a strong opinion and being able to explain it in detail and defend it. and i wouldn't worry about people like me with their heavily negative opnions on this (i over-do it on purpose) cause you can like what the fuck you want. i know most people don't know why i'm feeling half the shit i think is great but that's because its my ears and i'm very particular ;]

[Dre-Day]

well your ears are full of shit too

[Matty]

fuck you

[Dre-Day]

fuck you

[R1ZE]

eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

I'll bite.

From "Underground", the track most people are saying is the best:
(I jacked these lyrics from somewhere else)

Sixty sluts all of ‘em dying from mass asphyxia
After they sip piss through a Christopher Reeves sippy cup
dixy cups toxins boxes of oxy pads
enough oxycotin to send a ****ing ox to rehab

jacking off to a hockey mask at a boxing match

****s about to get extra messy especially when
I flex again and throw a ****ing lesbian in wet cement
So ******* ******* ******* raggedy Ann and Andy
NO raggedy Andy and Andy no it can't be, it can't be
Yes it can be the ****ing anti christ is back Danny
its Satan in black satin panties
this is Amityville calamity got damnit insanity pills
fanny pack filled with xanax
through every nook and cranny
lookin for trannys milk and cookies spilt on my silk negligee looky
Razor balades wit me to make you bleed
cases of mabeline make up lay on the table of weed
slim shady **** sounds like a fable to me
until he jumps out the ****ing toilet when you're taking a pee



Six seman samples Seventeen strands of hair
Found in the back of a van after the shoot at Vanity Fair
Hannah Montana prepare to elope with a can opener
And be cut open like cantaloupe with canopy beds
With glad bags, yeah glad to be back

Bitin’ into a ****ing Vicodin like I ‘am viking
Oh, lightning strike it might be a ****ing sign I need a psychic
Evaluation, **** Jason it’s Friday the nineteenth
That means it’s just a regular day
And this is the kind of **** I think of regularly
****ing Lesbians shouldn’t of had her legs in the way
Now she’s pregnant and gay
Missing both legs and begging to stay.



Hit a fag with onions
Then split a bag of Funions

Cannibal shooting animal
Out of a cannon and have him catapult at an adult

To turn Halloween back to a Trick of Treat holiday
Have Micheal Myers looking like a liar
Swipe his powers replace his knife with flowers and a stack of flyers/
Hit Jason Vorheys with a forty
Stuck a repository up his ass
And made him tell me a story
Gave Hannibal Elector a ****ing nectarine
And sat him in the ****ing fruit and vegetable section and gave him a lecture
Walked up elm street with a ****ing whiffle bat drew
Fought Freddy Krougar and Edward Scissor hands too
And came out with a little scratch oww
Looking like I got into a ****ing pillow fight with a triple fat goose/

lets face it, this is garbage of the highest calibre. amateur bullshit, if some random kid you knew was spittin these same rhymes you'd see them for what they are.

[Meho]

Action, I had no idea you wrote that. I thought you got it from some Eminem forum. It's definetly a logical analysis but I will remain a sceptic untill I hear Relapse 2.