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Quote from: S P I C E on August 08, 2009, 01:57:46 PMQuote from: Teflon Tom on August 08, 2009, 12:43:16 PMQuote from: S P I C E on August 08, 2009, 12:14:05 PM^^OK first off the only time Giambi was honest was before the grand jury when he was told he had complete immunity, Giambi was honest in court because he was told that his testimony would never leak out so that is why he was honest. After all of that all he did was come out and apologize yet he wouldn't even admit what he was saying sorry for lol. Giambi is no better than Bonds or Clemens, only thing that is different is he was smart enough not to lie on the stand but he has never came clean (only in court when he thought his testimony was sealed).Everyone always rushes in to defend Giambi because they think he came clean but that is simply not the case when you look at the facts. The only time he came clean was with his testimony in court as he was assured that he had immunity, after that in the public Giambi never admitted to anything. He is just as bad as everyone else. Now Petitte came clean but after he was accused and Arod...Well Arod's team of publicists around him knew that after all that has gone on these last few years it wouldn't be smart for Arod to lie like Bonds and Clemens did so they came up with a story saying Arod only did it during the 3 years in Texas. Not a bad strategy because he used the pressure of the Texas contract as a excuse and also when he only said it was those 3 years, he is trying to show that he never used at all in Seattle or New York but I dont think any non Yankee fan would believe that.QFTQFT Queer-FAg Theory
Quote from: Teflon Tom on August 08, 2009, 12:43:16 PMQuote from: S P I C E on August 08, 2009, 12:14:05 PM^^OK first off the only time Giambi was honest was before the grand jury when he was told he had complete immunity, Giambi was honest in court because he was told that his testimony would never leak out so that is why he was honest. After all of that all he did was come out and apologize yet he wouldn't even admit what he was saying sorry for lol. Giambi is no better than Bonds or Clemens, only thing that is different is he was smart enough not to lie on the stand but he has never came clean (only in court when he thought his testimony was sealed).Everyone always rushes in to defend Giambi because they think he came clean but that is simply not the case when you look at the facts. The only time he came clean was with his testimony in court as he was assured that he had immunity, after that in the public Giambi never admitted to anything. He is just as bad as everyone else. Now Petitte came clean but after he was accused and Arod...Well Arod's team of publicists around him knew that after all that has gone on these last few years it wouldn't be smart for Arod to lie like Bonds and Clemens did so they came up with a story saying Arod only did it during the 3 years in Texas. Not a bad strategy because he used the pressure of the Texas contract as a excuse and also when he only said it was those 3 years, he is trying to show that he never used at all in Seattle or New York but I dont think any non Yankee fan would believe that.QFTQFT
Quote from: S P I C E on August 08, 2009, 12:14:05 PM^^OK first off the only time Giambi was honest was before the grand jury when he was told he had complete immunity, Giambi was honest in court because he was told that his testimony would never leak out so that is why he was honest. After all of that all he did was come out and apologize yet he wouldn't even admit what he was saying sorry for lol. Giambi is no better than Bonds or Clemens, only thing that is different is he was smart enough not to lie on the stand but he has never came clean (only in court when he thought his testimony was sealed).Everyone always rushes in to defend Giambi because they think he came clean but that is simply not the case when you look at the facts. The only time he came clean was with his testimony in court as he was assured that he had immunity, after that in the public Giambi never admitted to anything. He is just as bad as everyone else. Now Petitte came clean but after he was accused and Arod...Well Arod's team of publicists around him knew that after all that has gone on these last few years it wouldn't be smart for Arod to lie like Bonds and Clemens did so they came up with a story saying Arod only did it during the 3 years in Texas. Not a bad strategy because he used the pressure of the Texas contract as a excuse and also when he only said it was those 3 years, he is trying to show that he never used at all in Seattle or New York but I dont think any non Yankee fan would believe that.QFT
^^OK first off the only time Giambi was honest was before the grand jury when he was told he had complete immunity, Giambi was honest in court because he was told that his testimony would never leak out so that is why he was honest. After all of that all he did was come out and apologize yet he wouldn't even admit what he was saying sorry for lol. Giambi is no better than Bonds or Clemens, only thing that is different is he was smart enough not to lie on the stand but he has never came clean (only in court when he thought his testimony was sealed).Everyone always rushes in to defend Giambi because they think he came clean but that is simply not the case when you look at the facts. The only time he came clean was with his testimony in court as he was assured that he had immunity, after that in the public Giambi never admitted to anything. He is just as bad as everyone else. Now Petitte came clean but after he was accused and Arod...Well Arod's team of publicists around him knew that after all that has gone on these last few years it wouldn't be smart for Arod to lie like Bonds and Clemens did so they came up with a story saying Arod only did it during the 3 years in Texas. Not a bad strategy because he used the pressure of the Texas contract as a excuse and also when he only said it was those 3 years, he is trying to show that he never used at all in Seattle or New York but I dont think any non Yankee fan would believe that.
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Quote from: HACK WILSON on August 08, 2009, 01:31:04 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on August 08, 2009, 01:04:39 PMHis stats aren't that suspicious. A lot of players have a really good plate discipline and develop power right around the same age time Ortiz started to hit for more power. The steroids just added to this effect. added about 30 extra HR a yearI know you're trying to be cute with this, but really take a look at Ortiz' career. He has excellent minor league numbers. This guy was putting up great numbers as a 20-21 year old in a AA/AAA. It wasn't just great numbers, it was good BB rates, so that tells you one thing. He's always known the difference between a ball or a strike. This is something steroids does not teach you. He was never given an absolute fair shot with the Twins. he was basically jerked around by the Twins management....part of it was his injuries though so it's somewhat understandable. Either way, he never played a full season. And the most amount of time he played he still put up a .810 OPS. Take off the steroids, he still has a great career.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on August 08, 2009, 01:04:39 PMHis stats aren't that suspicious. A lot of players have a really good plate discipline and develop power right around the same age time Ortiz started to hit for more power. The steroids just added to this effect. added about 30 extra HR a year
His stats aren't that suspicious. A lot of players have a really good plate discipline and develop power right around the same age time Ortiz started to hit for more power. The steroids just added to this effect.
You know whats funny, if Ortiz was a yank hack would be copping pleas like there was no tomorrow.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on August 08, 2009, 03:02:51 PMQuote from: HACK WILSON on August 08, 2009, 01:31:04 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on August 08, 2009, 01:04:39 PMHis stats aren't that suspicious. A lot of players have a really good plate discipline and develop power right around the same age time Ortiz started to hit for more power. The steroids just added to this effect. added about 30 extra HR a yearI know you're trying to be cute with this, but really take a look at Ortiz' career. He has excellent minor league numbers. This guy was putting up great numbers as a 20-21 year old in a AA/AAA. It wasn't just great numbers, it was good BB rates, so that tells you one thing. He's always known the difference between a ball or a strike. This is something steroids does not teach you. He was never given an absolute fair shot with the Twins. he was basically jerked around by the Twins management....part of it was his injuries though so it's somewhat understandable. Either way, he never played a full season. And the most amount of time he played he still put up a .810 OPS. Take off the steroids, he still has a great career. MINOR LEAGUE NUMBERS??Quit reaching. Let's be serious here.Guy comes out of nowhere after the Twins cut him loose and he starts doing amazing? and meanwhile his best friend Manny is there, and Ortiz has links to A-rod's persona trainerOrtiz admitting to drinking milkshales in the D.R. in theo ffseasons without even ASKING what was in themWAY too many things coming to fruition here for it to be a mistake
Quote from: HACK WILSON on August 08, 2009, 03:59:35 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on August 08, 2009, 03:02:51 PMQuote from: HACK WILSON on August 08, 2009, 01:31:04 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on August 08, 2009, 01:04:39 PMHis stats aren't that suspicious. A lot of players have a really good plate discipline and develop power right around the same age time Ortiz started to hit for more power. The steroids just added to this effect. added about 30 extra HR a yearI know you're trying to be cute with this, but really take a look at Ortiz' career. He has excellent minor league numbers. This guy was putting up great numbers as a 20-21 year old in a AA/AAA. It wasn't just great numbers, it was good BB rates, so that tells you one thing. He's always known the difference between a ball or a strike. This is something steroids does not teach you. He was never given an absolute fair shot with the Twins. he was basically jerked around by the Twins management....part of it was his injuries though so it's somewhat understandable. Either way, he never played a full season. And the most amount of time he played he still put up a .810 OPS. Take off the steroids, he still has a great career. MINOR LEAGUE NUMBERS??Quit reaching. Let's be serious here.Guy comes out of nowhere after the Twins cut him loose and he starts doing amazing? and meanwhile his best friend Manny is there, and Ortiz has links to A-rod's persona trainerOrtiz admitting to drinking milkshales in the D.R. in theo ffseasons without even ASKING what was in themWAY too many things coming to fruition here for it to be a mistakeYou're completely missing my point about the minor leagues. Once you get the point, then we can continue our discussion. I'm sorry dude, but I'm trying to be civil here and you think I'm fucking joking or something. So it's as easy as that, once you get my point about the minors, then we'll keep the discussion going.
Quote from: Teflon Tom on August 08, 2009, 04:09:08 PMYou know whats funny, if Ortiz was a yank hack would be copping pleas like there was no tomorrow. you must be sad because your team is in shambles it's okay, I get it.
Quote from: HACK WILSON on August 08, 2009, 04:17:15 PMQuote from: Teflon Tom on August 08, 2009, 04:09:08 PMYou know whats funny, if Ortiz was a yank hack would be copping pleas like there was no tomorrow. you must be sad because your team is in shambles it's okay, I get it.Sad, I haven't watched them in two months and I am much happier for it. Hack, you have some Steinbrenner cum on your chin. You might want to wipe it off.
Quote from: Teflon Tom on August 08, 2009, 04:32:27 PMQuote from: HACK WILSON on August 08, 2009, 04:17:15 PMQuote from: Teflon Tom on August 08, 2009, 04:09:08 PMYou know whats funny, if Ortiz was a yank hack would be copping pleas like there was no tomorrow. you must be sad because your team is in shambles it's okay, I get it.Sad, I haven't watched them in two months and I am much happier for it. Hack, you have some Steinbrenner cum on your chin. You might want to wipe it off.LOL you're such a phony. do you even watch baseball??? lolthe Mess haven't had a shortstop in 70 games and Omar Minaya has drove that team into the ground. Be bitter, it helps.Meanwhile my Yanks are 5.5 up in the division and have pitched 24 scoreless innings plus Ortiz joined the ranks of Arod/Bonds/Sosa/McGwire in Cheaterville
look tomall you do is come into threads with yankee fans and start fights with "YOUR A YANKEE HOMER LETS DISCOUNT WHAT YOU SAY"meanwhile, you just ADMITTED you haven't watched your own team in 2 months??hell, I'VE watched a MEts game the last 2 months lets be real here.ortiz is linked to Arod's personal trainer; Ortiz has admitted to drinking milkshakes without asking what was in them in the D.R.; and now he's hiding behidn the shield of the MLBPAeverything's clear cut here