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Quote from: D~Nice on September 09, 2009, 09:36:19 PMOne thing Floyd gets little to no credit for is his defense. He never gives his opponent a clear, open target to hit, alot of punches land on his arms and shoulders. And his defensive stance almost makes people have to lean in to get a better punch, which leaves you open to be counter punched. I respect counter punchers IF they have a good defense but Marquez does get hit ALOT. Manny tagged him with alot of good shots in both their fights, but Juan is a warrior and if he can find a way to get through Floyd's defense he has a shot.Yeah Floyds defense is ridiculous. The way he leans back with his shoulder forward and his head tucked, hes a pretty difficult target. Part of the problem though is fighters going to the head. He's very hard to hit upstairs, you gotta take body shots with him. Also, Floyds ability to control the tempo of the fight. Ive never seen a Mayweather fight where the pace wasnt HIS pace. He confuses fighters a lot in the ring, which is why he doesnt always start fast...but by the middle of the fight the opponent looks completely out of synch. Remember De La Hoya saying "the jab just wasnt there tonight" after his fight with Mayweather lol. In the beginning of the fight when Oscar threw the jab, he was somewhat effective. Floyd took that away, and even a vet like De La Hoya couldnt figure him out. If Pacquiao gets past Cotto, and Floys is willing to step in the ring with him....Pacquiao might beat him. Its the first time Floyd will fight someone with equal handspeed, but more power, and relentless.
One thing Floyd gets little to no credit for is his defense. He never gives his opponent a clear, open target to hit, alot of punches land on his arms and shoulders. And his defensive stance almost makes people have to lean in to get a better punch, which leaves you open to be counter punched. I respect counter punchers IF they have a good defense but Marquez does get hit ALOT. Manny tagged him with alot of good shots in both their fights, but Juan is a warrior and if he can find a way to get through Floyd's defense he has a shot.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on September 10, 2009, 11:13:16 AMQuote from: D~Nice on September 09, 2009, 09:36:19 PMOne thing Floyd gets little to no credit for is his defense. He never gives his opponent a clear, open target to hit, alot of punches land on his arms and shoulders. And his defensive stance almost makes people have to lean in to get a better punch, which leaves you open to be counter punched. I respect counter punchers IF they have a good defense but Marquez does get hit ALOT. Manny tagged him with alot of good shots in both their fights, but Juan is a warrior and if he can find a way to get through Floyd's defense he has a shot.Yeah Floyds defense is ridiculous. The way he leans back with his shoulder forward and his head tucked, hes a pretty difficult target. Part of the problem though is fighters going to the head. He's very hard to hit upstairs, you gotta take body shots with him. Also, Floyds ability to control the tempo of the fight. Ive never seen a Mayweather fight where the pace wasnt HIS pace. He confuses fighters a lot in the ring, which is why he doesnt always start fast...but by the middle of the fight the opponent looks completely out of synch. Remember De La Hoya saying "the jab just wasnt there tonight" after his fight with Mayweather lol. In the beginning of the fight when Oscar threw the jab, he was somewhat effective. Floyd took that away, and even a vet like De La Hoya couldnt figure him out. If Pacquiao gets past Cotto, and Floys is willing to step in the ring with him....Pacquiao might beat him. Its the first time Floyd will fight someone with equal handspeed, but more power, and relentless.Yeah his workout and training is crazy. Dude is a asshole, being from Vegas I must admit it, but Floyd got skills. Yeah most fighters aggressively go after Floyd in the early rounds and towards the middle of the fight Floyd changes up and becomes the more offensive minded fighter. He is very cautious in the early rounds and does not throw many punches, which for most boxing fans is boring. But once he figures his opponents angle and strategy, it's a wrap.
Quote from: D~Nice on September 10, 2009, 12:54:25 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on September 10, 2009, 11:13:16 AMQuote from: D~Nice on September 09, 2009, 09:36:19 PMOne thing Floyd gets little to no credit for is his defense. He never gives his opponent a clear, open target to hit, alot of punches land on his arms and shoulders. And his defensive stance almost makes people have to lean in to get a better punch, which leaves you open to be counter punched. I respect counter punchers IF they have a good defense but Marquez does get hit ALOT. Manny tagged him with alot of good shots in both their fights, but Juan is a warrior and if he can find a way to get through Floyd's defense he has a shot.Yeah Floyds defense is ridiculous. The way he leans back with his shoulder forward and his head tucked, hes a pretty difficult target. Part of the problem though is fighters going to the head. He's very hard to hit upstairs, you gotta take body shots with him. Also, Floyds ability to control the tempo of the fight. Ive never seen a Mayweather fight where the pace wasnt HIS pace. He confuses fighters a lot in the ring, which is why he doesnt always start fast...but by the middle of the fight the opponent looks completely out of synch. Remember De La Hoya saying "the jab just wasnt there tonight" after his fight with Mayweather lol. In the beginning of the fight when Oscar threw the jab, he was somewhat effective. Floyd took that away, and even a vet like De La Hoya couldnt figure him out. If Pacquiao gets past Cotto, and Floys is willing to step in the ring with him....Pacquiao might beat him. Its the first time Floyd will fight someone with equal handspeed, but more power, and relentless.Yeah his workout and training is crazy. Dude is a asshole, being from Vegas I must admit it, but Floyd got skills. Yeah most fighters aggressively go after Floyd in the early rounds and towards the middle of the fight Floyd changes up and becomes the more offensive minded fighter. He is very cautious in the early rounds and does not throw many punches, which for most boxing fans is boring. But once he figures his opponents angle and strategy, it's a wrap.He reminds me a lot of one of my favorite boxers of all time, Sweet Pea Whitaker. Their style is a little different, but the same general idea. Defensive minded fighter who makes their oponents look bad in the ring. Precise, accurate punching, good hand speed, always in control of the pace. Sweet Pea IMO was the best p4p fighter of his time without question. I think the De La Hoya fight scoring was bullshit, and he was clearly robbed in the Chavez fight..
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on September 10, 2009, 01:09:36 PMQuote from: D~Nice on September 10, 2009, 12:54:25 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on September 10, 2009, 11:13:16 AMQuote from: D~Nice on September 09, 2009, 09:36:19 PMOne thing Floyd gets little to no credit for is his defense. He never gives his opponent a clear, open target to hit, alot of punches land on his arms and shoulders. And his defensive stance almost makes people have to lean in to get a better punch, which leaves you open to be counter punched. I respect counter punchers IF they have a good defense but Marquez does get hit ALOT. Manny tagged him with alot of good shots in both their fights, but Juan is a warrior and if he can find a way to get through Floyd's defense he has a shot.Yeah Floyds defense is ridiculous. The way he leans back with his shoulder forward and his head tucked, hes a pretty difficult target. Part of the problem though is fighters going to the head. He's very hard to hit upstairs, you gotta take body shots with him. Also, Floyds ability to control the tempo of the fight. Ive never seen a Mayweather fight where the pace wasnt HIS pace. He confuses fighters a lot in the ring, which is why he doesnt always start fast...but by the middle of the fight the opponent looks completely out of synch. Remember De La Hoya saying "the jab just wasnt there tonight" after his fight with Mayweather lol. In the beginning of the fight when Oscar threw the jab, he was somewhat effective. Floyd took that away, and even a vet like De La Hoya couldnt figure him out. If Pacquiao gets past Cotto, and Floys is willing to step in the ring with him....Pacquiao might beat him. Its the first time Floyd will fight someone with equal handspeed, but more power, and relentless.Yeah his workout and training is crazy. Dude is a asshole, being from Vegas I must admit it, but Floyd got skills. Yeah most fighters aggressively go after Floyd in the early rounds and towards the middle of the fight Floyd changes up and becomes the more offensive minded fighter. He is very cautious in the early rounds and does not throw many punches, which for most boxing fans is boring. But once he figures his opponents angle and strategy, it's a wrap.He reminds me a lot of one of my favorite boxers of all time, Sweet Pea Whitaker. Their style is a little different, but the same general idea. Defensive minded fighter who makes their oponents look bad in the ring. Precise, accurate punching, good hand speed, always in control of the pace. Sweet Pea IMO was the best p4p fighter of his time without question. I think the De La Hoya fight scoring was bullshit, and he was clearly robbed in the Chavez fight..Yeah Oscar fought Whitaker later on in his career. I remember that fight in Vegas. Sweet Pea was clowning a lil too much in the ring but I still had him winning the fight. But back then you had to knock Oscar clean out to get a decision. And the Chavez fight it was the same thing. FIght was in San Antonio, TX I believe. Not Mexico but close enough and if they would have made the right decision, that place would have been a crime scene. Shit like that I hate about boxing. But yeah Sweet Pea was one of the best.
Sweet Pea was a nice fighter.
Mayweather gains nothing from facing Shane at this point and time.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on September 14, 2009, 08:46:29 PMMayweather gains nothing from facing Shane at this point and time. Kinda like how he gains nothing from fighting Marquez
Shane is nice and all, but his ass is too old and he just wants to secure a big fight paycheck before it's too late. Mayweather called him out like 3 times and Sugar backed down all 3 times. Mayweather gains nothing from facing Shane at this point and time.