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Quote from: ikke on May 11, 2010, 03:59:05 AMLike I said, the discography is the entire picture.If he has 4 dope albums and 8 wack pop albums means the discography is dope for 33% And like I said these albums get allot of their apeal from the beats.Wack pop albums?A commercial single or two, doesn't make it a pop album, neither does having r'n'b-singers on hooks.The only REAL weak Jay-album, is Vol.1, and arguably Blueprint 2, but Blueprint 2.1 set the record straight, to me Blueprint 2.1 is the real Blueprint 2.Sure, Vol 2 & 3, Kingdom Come, American Gangster & BP3 had its share of weak tracks and filler, but they're still solid albums.I partly disagree with your list by the way, putting KRS, Kool G, Rakim, Cypress Hill & Ghostface on there is reaching, sounds to me like they're mentioned for their names only, or it's personal favorites.. might as well put Mobb Deep & M.O.P. there then, they've been more consistent than some of those.PS-rant:It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads".
Like I said, the discography is the entire picture.If he has 4 dope albums and 8 wack pop albums means the discography is dope for 33% And like I said these albums get allot of their apeal from the beats.
Um no.I own most of jays albums.Ive seen him in concert a couple times.People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.He isnt and it isnt.Hes flawed and discography is inconsistent at best.He always gets credited for setting trends and all this shit.But take a step back from standom and what great trends did he create?What,people dont wear throwbacks anymore?The fact is when he came into the game the rap game was in a much better place and then he helped usher in the money rules bling era.His music is shallow and has no real depth.Sure ill throw on dirt on my shoulder and bob my head its a dope joint but thats as far as it goes.I always loved when jay gets criticised people bring up his do you fools listen to music or just skim through it line.Well guess what jay,people are listening and you have nothing noteworthy of being said.Jay is a great business man and has a penchant for making hit singles.He doesnt have the greatest bars,his flow isnt the best,his voice isnt the best and his content is repetitive.greatest rapper,not by a fucking longshot.
No but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.How am I reaching?4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.
Quote from: ikke on May 11, 2010, 07:29:32 AMNo but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.How am I reaching?4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid. But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.
PS-rant:It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads".
Quote from: Jome on May 11, 2010, 08:00:12 AMQuote from: ikke on May 11, 2010, 07:29:32 AMNo but albums with a good track or 2 do make it a pop album.It's not just the singles with singers it's the covering of songs that basically guaranty you a hit.How am I reaching?4 good tracks on a 12 track album doesn't make a great album, that goes for discographies as well.How does a hip hop album with only 2 tracks that you like, make it a pop album? What kinda logic is that?You said Jay "have 4 fucking dope albums", not me.. I'd say 3 classics, and 5-6 albums ranging from dope to solid. But then again, I'ma Jay-fan.. I know I can't get M Dogg & Jaydc to agree with this, but denying his place in top 5 disco's in hip hop is just nonsense.Some of these fools even resort to posting mock-pics because they can't make a valid argument.I meant 2 good tracks, 12 pop tracks, it was in response to your '2 pop singles doesn't make a pop album.'But like I keep saying, the discography is not only the good albums but also the bad albums.You wouldn't call a 12 song album a top 5 album either if it only had 4 good tracks.Now I'm curious, what are your top 5 discographies?
I don't think you've actually gone through all his albums, maybe skimmed through them on iTunes or something. All of his albums have more than 4 good tracks.
Quote from: Jome on May 11, 2010, 07:10:46 AMPS-rant:It's funny to see how people have been brainwashed into thinking that going against the "media darlings" and denying their skills/discography is cool and trendy, and will earn you cred-points with the so-called "underground heads". What's funny is that the real hip hop heads will give Jay-Z credit. Everyone I know who knows more about hip hop than me tends to be more open-minded. It's the ones that only listen to a select few underground rappers who won't give him credit.
Quote from: Jaydc didnt do it,that bitch is lying. on May 10, 2010, 10:16:25 PMUm no.I own most of jays albums.Ive seen him in concert a couple times.People just bought into this media created hype that hes somehow the greatest and his discography is flawless.He isnt and it isnt.Hes flawed and discography is inconsistent at best.He always gets credited for setting trends and all this shit.But take a step back from standom and what great trends did he create?What,people dont wear throwbacks anymore?The fact is when he came into the game the rap game was in a much better place and then he helped usher in the money rules bling era.His music is shallow and has no real depth.Sure ill throw on dirt on my shoulder and bob my head its a dope joint but thats as far as it goes.I always loved when jay gets criticised people bring up his do you fools listen to music or just skim through it line.Well guess what jay,people are listening and you have nothing noteworthy of being said.Jay is a great business man and has a penchant for making hit singles.He doesnt have the greatest bars,his flow isnt the best,his voice isnt the best and his content is repetitive.greatest rapper,not by a fucking longshot.you lost all credit when you said big is overrated.who do you even like listening to? lol you seem like you hate on pretty much everything if it doesnt involve slaughterhouse. (speaking of overrated)
How can a man be considered the goat with two albums,its a joke.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 10, 2010, 11:22:14 PMJay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. LOL @ Snoop.
Jay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.
Quote from: Jome on May 11, 2010, 02:19:54 AMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 10, 2010, 11:22:14 PMJay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. LOL @ Snoop.I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical. But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles. And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again).
Quote from: Sikotic on May 11, 2010, 12:12:51 PMQuote from: Jome on May 11, 2010, 02:19:54 AMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 10, 2010, 11:22:14 PMJay-Z's discography IS inconsistent. But damn near every rapper's is. Most of them don't have certified classics though.Yep, he's got the best discography, but at 12 CD's deep, obviously not the most consistent discography, that title goes to Dre's 2 masterpieces. LOL @ Snoop.I don't see how when 6 out of your 12 albums are considered listenable (and that's being generous) that it's the best discography out. That doesn't even make sense. You cannot have almost as many hits as misses and be considered in the top 5, man. It's not logical. But I give the guy all the credit in the world in terms of marketing. Like Snoop, Jay has been able to follow the formula designed to get optimal album sales: a shitty album with hot singles. And my opinion has nothing to do with bucking the mainstream media. I agree with a lot of things that in the media. Like I said in previous posts, I have felt Jay-Z was overrated since I was a little kid....and he was considered the hottest thing out back then. I just never bought the hype and to be honest, listening to his albums from beginning-to-end validates my point (which is something many of his die-hard supporters wouldn't do again). I can't take anyone seriously when they say that 6 out of his 12 albums are only listenable, especially someone who claims to have gone through his discography. And I'm not the only one. Maybe that's just a case of you personally not liking Jay-Z. But 4 of his albums were hailed as great when they came out, almost all the rest were well-recieved and only 2 were received negatively. I smh at people who go back and underrate his music because they can't stand to agree with the mainstream crowd.And again, no one seems to have responded to the fact that his discography is remarkably similar to Nas when it comes to quality.