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are you people that dumb and slow...lol...
Tuff one...but quik is up there...put it on me is classic imo and on some detox shit...dj lethal>>dj quik....rza>>premo.....dre>>>quik....rza=dre....dre, rza, quik, dj lethal>>>>>timberland, rockwielder, EIMINEM, mannie fresh
To rank greatest players of all time is almost impossible and can't be accurate to me in lots of cases ... there are so many factors to be taken into consideration that can't be accurately compared imo ... position , era in which the player played , overall competition , rules ect ...How can you really say Shaq has to be ranked higher than Wilt or vice versa ? The 2nd argument is that most of us have started watching B-Ball in the 80es at very best so how can we really comment on a O.Roberston , Elgin Baylor ect ... watching tapes 40 years later is not the same we can't really judge and feel how was the competition , the overall game at that precised moment
Another thing that really sets Jordan and Kobe apart is the off the ball actions. Jordan has been extraordinary without the ball, like getting crucial steals that led to decisive fast breaks and shit. Kinda like Rondo did sometimes in the Finals. Kobe doesn't have that to that huge extend. Also, his ballhandling has become shaky at times. If he wasn't still such a brilliant shotmaker, he'd be in serious trouble.
Quote from: LooN3y on June 09, 2010, 11:28:26 AMQuote from: Hans Moleman on June 08, 2010, 12:22:59 PMthe only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.lol at stats, what about in terms of skills, clutch, taking over games, being the finisher, and being the best.its either going to be kobe or mjnone of those old school guys come close to kobe or MJ in terms of being the best player. but MJ didnt even play against a d-wade, lebron james, chris paul, the NBA has much more talent right now than they ever did.lebron doesnt come close, this guys overrated i wouldnt be suprised if he joins the t-mac/grant hill club by the end of the career.I wouldnt use the level of competition as an argument FOR Kobe. It would actually hurt considering the league has turned SO much more into an offensive league geared towards allowing players to score at will or get to the line. Jordan was playing against bruising defenses where it was ok to simply knock people on their ass. Kobe would seriously curl up in a little ball and cry if he had to see Oakley, Mason or even Starks every year in the playoffs lol. Artest woudl be the soft player on those old Knicks teams.The problem is, Kobe stans like to use stats to argue...but then when the stats go the other way they try to pretend as if stats dont matter. You cant measure "skill" when you are talking about best EVER, because skill levels of players ALWAYS improves from generation to generation. If you took Wilt for example....Dwight Howard is more SKILLED then he ever was. And Dwight isnt that skilled by todays standards. But you would NEVER say that Howard is as great as Wilt. Different age of Basketball. You can only compare a players skill...for THEIR time. And Jordan was head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There were NEVER any questions as to whether he was the best basketball player in the world. Kobe is constantly in the midst of a debate as to whether he is the best player in the NBA right now. If you were watchin basketball during Jordans era, no one ever said that anyone else was the best. As a matter of face, Jordan was already considered the greatest all time before his career was over. Thats why Kobe can never be on his level.
Quote from: Hans Moleman on June 08, 2010, 12:22:59 PMthe only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.lol at stats, what about in terms of skills, clutch, taking over games, being the finisher, and being the best.its either going to be kobe or mjnone of those old school guys come close to kobe or MJ in terms of being the best player. but MJ didnt even play against a d-wade, lebron james, chris paul, the NBA has much more talent right now than they ever did.lebron doesnt come close, this guys overrated i wouldnt be suprised if he joins the t-mac/grant hill club by the end of the career.
the only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.
so, Mr. Leader, Mr. Man-In-Charge, Mr. Motivater, Mr. Bryant can't get his players involved enough to have somebody score more than 12 points.running up & down the court swinging his arms, whining like a bitch, pouting, belitting his teammates & this man is arguably the best "leader" in the NBA?ahhh, you Laker fans always give me a good laugh.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 15, 2010, 01:07:48 PMso, Mr. Leader, Mr. Man-In-Charge, Mr. Motivater, Mr. Bryant can't get his players involved enough to have somebody score more than 12 points.running up & down the court swinging his arms, whining like a bitch, pouting, belitting his teammates & this man is arguably the best "leader" in the NBA?ahhh, you Laker fans always give me a good laugh. aren't you the fucking moron who said Lebron lost because he didn't have any decent teammates when he let his team down in that epic chokejob against Boston?