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^It can be Wade's city & team, but there is no denying that LeBron will be walking away with the superior stats.And as we can see from this year's Finals, you can shoot like Brian Scalabrine & still walk away with a Final's MVP.
This shit was sick right herehttp://www.youtube.com/v/4LiSUNTJqrQ&hl=en_US&fs=1
Quote from: Controver$y King on July 31, 2010, 05:31:00 AMThis shit was sick right herehttp://www.youtube.com/v/4LiSUNTJqrQ&hl=en_US&fs=1a game where kobe was sick with teh flu up against a 100% healthy lebron, lebronze is a scrub compared to all the greats.
Quote from: LooN3y on August 03, 2010, 04:43:33 PMQuote from: Controver$y King on July 31, 2010, 05:31:00 AMThis shit was sick right herehttp://www.youtube.com/v/4LiSUNTJqrQ&hl=en_US&fs=1a game where kobe was sick with teh flu up against a 100% healthy lebron, lebronze is a scrub compared to all the greats.Lol, I'm pretty sure I remember you saying you'd rather have LeBron on the Lakers than Kobe last season.
Kobe has a better handle (when his finger isn't broken), is a better shooter, has a better post game.Both Lebron and Kobe are overrated on defense and not on MJ's level (who was also slightly overrated on Defense).Lebron is a better, more willing passer, is a better rebounder, better shot blocker, better slasher.Kobe, at this point, because he is winning, is the better player, but Lebron won't be denied for long. Now he is on a stacked team as well (albeit one that will suck at defense) so we will see how this plays out.______________________________________________________But really, what does MJ have to do with this argument NIK?Passing- MJSteals- MJBlocks-MJRebounds- MJPost game-MJ (this is close, but MJ shoots a far higher percentage because he is more efficient in the post)Drives -MJ (see above)Outside Shooting- Kobe Defense- MJ (this is subjective, so lets look at the stats)
Quote from: TheRemedy360 on August 03, 2010, 08:12:55 PMQuote from: LooN3y on August 03, 2010, 04:43:33 PMQuote from: Controver$y King on July 31, 2010, 05:31:00 AMThis shit was sick right herehttp://www.youtube.com/v/4LiSUNTJqrQ&hl=en_US&fs=1a game where kobe was sick with teh flu up against a 100% healthy lebron, lebronze is a scrub compared to all the greats.Lol, I'm pretty sure I remember you saying you'd rather have LeBron on the Lakers than Kobe last season.id burn in hell before id say that
Quote from: teecee on August 03, 2010, 08:37:36 AMKobe has a better handle (when his finger isn't broken), is a better shooter, has a better post game.Both Lebron and Kobe are overrated on defense and not on MJ's level (who was also slightly overrated on Defense).Lebron is a better, more willing passer, is a better rebounder, better shot blocker, better slasher.Kobe, at this point, because he is winning, is the better player, but Lebron won't be denied for long. Now he is on a stacked team as well (albeit one that will suck at defense) so we will see how this plays out.______________________________________________________But really, what does MJ have to do with this argument NIK?Passing- MJSteals- MJBlocks-MJRebounds- MJPost game-MJ (this is close, but MJ shoots a far higher percentage because he is more efficient in the post)Drives -MJ (see above)Outside Shooting- Kobe Defense- MJ (this is subjective, so lets look at the stats)You're right about Jordan being an overrated defender...he wasn't even the best perimeter defender on his team (Pippen). Honestly, when Kobe goes all out on defense and makes it his task to shut down an opposing player, he is as good a perimeter defender as there is. The thing about Kobe and Jordan is that they usually expand most of their energy on the offensive side, rather then locking down the opposing teams best player for 48 mins...LeBron is nowhere near this level on the defensive end, as of now. Kobe is a better passer than LeBron, as well.. he would average 10+ assists in a run-n-gun offense, and would definitely have 3 or 4 more assists in the offense Cleveland ran for LeBron...LeBron's passing is centered off of the defenses being focused soley on him. What MJ has to do with this argument is the fact that there is nothing MJ in his prime could do that Kobe in his prime couldn't...Their skillset is pretty-much on par with one another, with slight differences here and there (Kobe has more range, Jordan slashes more etc)...But to make what I meant clear, LeBron also averages more assists and rebounds than Jordan did. So that's where the comparison comes in...If you use those stats to say LeBron is better because he's better in these categories, then you gotta say the same against Jordan.....which is stupid both ways. get my point?
Quote from: NIKCC on August 04, 2010, 02:48:28 PMQuote from: teecee on August 03, 2010, 08:37:36 AMKobe has a better handle (when his finger isn't broken), is a better shooter, has a better post game.Both Lebron and Kobe are overrated on defense and not on MJ's level (who was also slightly overrated on Defense).Lebron is a better, more willing passer, is a better rebounder, better shot blocker, better slasher.Kobe, at this point, because he is winning, is the better player, but Lebron won't be denied for long. Now he is on a stacked team as well (albeit one that will suck at defense) so we will see how this plays out.______________________________________________________But really, what does MJ have to do with this argument NIK?Passing- MJSteals- MJBlocks-MJRebounds- MJPost game-MJ (this is close, but MJ shoots a far higher percentage because he is more efficient in the post)Drives -MJ (see above)Outside Shooting- Kobe Defense- MJ (this is subjective, so lets look at the stats)You're right about Jordan being an overrated defender...he wasn't even the best perimeter defender on his team (Pippen). Honestly, when Kobe goes all out on defense and makes it his task to shut down an opposing player, he is as good a perimeter defender as there is. The thing about Kobe and Jordan is that they usually expand most of their energy on the offensive side, rather then locking down the opposing teams best player for 48 mins...LeBron is nowhere near this level on the defensive end, as of now. Kobe is a better passer than LeBron, as well.. he would average 10+ assists in a run-n-gun offense, and would definitely have 3 or 4 more assists in the offense Cleveland ran for LeBron...LeBron's passing is centered off of the defenses being focused soley on him. What MJ has to do with this argument is the fact that there is nothing MJ in his prime could do that Kobe in his prime couldn't...Their skillset is pretty-much on par with one another, with slight differences here and there (Kobe has more range, Jordan slashes more etc)...But to make what I meant clear, LeBron also averages more assists and rebounds than Jordan did. So that's where the comparison comes in...If you use those stats to say LeBron is better because he's better in these categories, then you gotta say the same against Jordan.....which is stupid both ways. get my point?First off, MJ's defense was slightly overrated, so was Pippen's, so is Kobe's, so is Lebron's. BUt Jordan had the best defensive stats of all of them. Kobe isn't as good of a defender as he was, either...why you think they got Artest? To say Lebron isn't near Kobe on the def end is hyperboleSecond, Kobe's best scoring season didn't meet Jordans (could be the poor shooting percentage). Third, to say Kobe is a better passer than Lebron is kind of a reach, being that he isn't exactly a willing passer. ____________________________________________________________________________________________Lebron is a better passer than MJ and Kobe because he averages WAY more assists. ALthough Jordan DID average 8 one year.Lebron is a better rebounder than MJ and Kobe because of his size, although Jordan averaged over 8 one year.Jordan is a better scorer than either, as evidenced by his superior 37 PPG season, his ridiculous finals where he averaged 40 a game, and results throughout his career. The icing on the cake is that Jordan shot a really high percentage for most of his career. Lebron also shoots a great percentage.Its just dumb shit to say "when" kobe wants to he can play good d, or "if" he wanted to he could get more assists...bottom line, he doesn't do either very consistently like Jordan