YEA..... Lebron Is Much Better

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Since NIK is obsessed with the "if" argument; "if Kobe did this", "Kobe could do that", I'll bust one out myself & say "IF" the Cavs had Gasol & the Lakers had Jamison, both players "would" play the same way & the Cavs "would" win.

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^you're simply braindead if you think Gasol could be half as effective as he is in the Cavs offense.

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At this point, even though lebron has better physical tools, its pretty hard to argue against Kobe> Lebron since Kobe has led his team to two straight chips.

However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.

Take a look again at the rosters on MJ's teams?   Who were his scoring posts???      Kobe has Gasol, Bynum, and Odom.      All three are better than Ho Grant, and we both know how one dimensional ROdman was(although he was effective).


Also, I wonder what would happen if you threw out Kobe's first few seasons, like even the first two.  How many FG attempts then?     Regardless, FG attempts are only relevant in comparison to FG %.


What did MJ shoot in his 37 PPG season?   What did Kobe shoot in his 35PPG season?       


And of course, when comparing the two, I think its best we leave out the playoffs, ESPECIALLY finals series.

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, STFU! Jordan had Pippen & Rodman. Kobe had Gasol, Artest, Odom, Bynum, Fisher. Honestly, this years team would have a strong chance to beat the 3-peat team & if there wasn't an on-going argument of MJ vs. Kobe & LeBron vs. Kobe you'd be the first motherfucker to admit that this years team could easily play with, if not beat the 3-peat team; but since you have to make a point that Kobe has "no one", you belittle the current team; fucking pathetic.

& we would "sit back & enjoy" if you didn't make a thread or post (forgot) roughly a year ago saying "I'm convinced Kobe > MJ".

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The fact Gasol & Jamison are being compared as similar players automatically makes this thread & it's arguments a joke lol.

idiot, they were both franchise players and nightly double-double threats for their teams before they were traded...in fact, Jamison made 2 all-star teams to Gasol's 1...that's where the comparison ends, though, because Kobe elevated Gasol's game, while LeBron killed Jamison's...if you don't see that, which you probably don't, I can't say i'm surprised.

For a man who played college ball, you say some stupid shit; although, you're biased, so I guess that's natural.

Who played college ball?! lol

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

lol Jordan played in an era where the defenses were actually better for the most part lol. The thing is, most of those defenses were in his own conference. So his defensive hurdles were in the playoffs, not the finals. Those Knicks teams he played against would hurt this Celtics team...who were just as good as the Lakers this last year. Oakley, Mason, Ewing lol. Cmon. The rules over the years have been changed to HELP offense, we all know that. Its the same in damn near every sport since offense gets ratings. The league doesnt like to do too much to give us more defensive battles, they want 120-119 games. The league likes having teams play zone defense because it forces offenses to have better ball movement to score, and more three pointers. More three point shooting leads to more fast breaks, and higher scores. The league doesnt want a ton of scoring in the paint unless its dunk. This is why we see less and less "back to the basket" bigmen and more faceup guys. The zone makes playing with your back to the basket as a bigman more difficult. Basically, the zones help create a more uptempo game and benefit perimeter guys...and we all know the league LOVES to promote perimeter guys.

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.

Take a look again at the rosters on MJ's teams?   Who were his scoring posts???      Kobe has Gasol, Bynum, and Odom.      All three are better than Ho Grant, and we both know how one dimensional ROdman was(although he was effective).


Also, I wonder what would happen if you threw out Kobe's first few seasons, like even the first two.  How many FG attempts then?     Regardless, FG attempts are only relevant in comparison to FG %.


What did MJ shoot in his 37 PPG season?   What did Kobe shoot in his 35PPG season?       


And of course, when comparing the two, I think its best we leave out the playoffs, ESPECIALLY finals series.

Horace Grant was a beast in his prime...a nightly 14-10 guy during his Chicago stint, much more consistent than Odom and much healthier than Bynum. Kobe has Gasol, yes, but he doesn't have a Pippen...Lets not play down those Bulls team, because they were GREAT teams. Pippen was actually argued by many as the 2nd best player in the league during his prime in Chicago. Rodman is one of the greatest rebounders in NBA history, and played better defense than ANY of the Laker bigs. Then people also like to forget Toni Kukoc, ANOTHER 15-5-5 guy during his stay with Chicago, and Ron Harper with Chicago was like a Derek Fisher who could play excellent defense. Steve Kerr is a better shooter than anyone Kobe has EVER played with (except for maybe Glen Rice in the threepeat era). BJ Armstrong was an ALL-STAR. LOL. When did Kobe have an all-star point guard? Are you tryna tell me that the Lakers of last year are rivaling those teams? That team, MINUS Jordan, made it to the Eastern Semis...lets not act like they weren't stacked. And again, fg% doesn't play into a Kobe-Jordan argument...Jordan played more in the post because he had less range than Kobe. Is Shaq better than Jordan because he shot a higher field goal percentage? If Jordan was a better shooter from long range and was able to hit the three on a more consistent basis, his fg% would naturaly dip... but Kobe averages 1 more three pointer made per game than Jordan did. Kobe is great on the post AND the perimeter, whereas Jordan did most of his damage in or around the paint, hence the increased fg%. Jordan also had his struggles in the playoffs and Finals, as every great player does...he simply wasn't the hero he was painted out to be. What if John Paxson misses that three? Jordan's looking at a Game 7 on Phoenix's home floor. Sure, Kobe lost in the Finals of '08, but Jordan couldn't even make the Finals in '95...Does that get held against him as often? No, because he's MJ. Really, though, the gap between Kobe and Jordan is much, MUCH closer than most people would like to think...and even you are probably starting to realize it.

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, STFU! Jordan had Pippen & Rodman. Kobe had Gasol, Artest, Odom, Bynum, Fisher. Honestly, this years team would have a strong chance to beat the 3-peat team & if there wasn't an on-going argument of MJ vs. Kobe & LeBron vs. Kobe you'd be the first motherfucker to admit that this years team could easily play with, if not beat the 3-peat team; but since you have to make a point that Kobe has "no one", you belittle the current team; fucking pathetic.

& we would "sit back & enjoy" if you didn't make a thread or post (forgot) roughly a year ago saying "I'm convinced Kobe > MJ".

So the Lakers team of the last two years would beat the threepeat Bulls?...In that case, there's no way Kobe isn't better than Jordan. LOL.

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

lol Jordan played in an era where the defenses were actually better for the most part lol. The thing is, most of those defenses were in his own conference. So his defensive hurdles were in the playoffs, not the finals. Those Knicks teams he played against would hurt this Celtics team...who were just as good as the Lakers this last year. Oakley, Mason, Ewing lol. Cmon. The rules over the years have been changed to HELP offense, we all know that. Its the same in damn near every sport since offense gets ratings. The league doesnt like to do too much to give us more defensive battles, they want 120-119 games. The league likes having teams play zone defense because it forces offenses to have better ball movement to score, and more three pointers. More three point shooting leads to more fast breaks, and higher scores. The league doesnt want a ton of scoring in the paint unless its dunk. This is why we see less and less "back to the basket" bigmen and more faceup guys. The zone makes playing with your back to the basket as a bigman more difficult. Basically, the zones help create a more uptempo game and benefit perimeter guys...and we all know the league LOVES to promote perimeter guys.

How are the Celtics as good as the Lakers when the Lakers won? LOL. you're something else...Jordan won rings over some great defensive teams, huh? the 90's Lakers with Divac as the anchor at center, amazing! The Phoenix Suns of the 90s, damn, who's ever faced defense like that? and lets not forget the Jazz and Sonics, holy shit, straight defensive oriented teams with amazing perimeter players to stop Jordan...LOL. Really, the toughest defense Jordan has ever faced was the Pistons of the 80s, and he wasnt able to beat them until they started aging. Offense is not at an all-time high, because winning teams are still always the ones who can play great defense...there will never be another player who averages 50 points for a season or a tripple-double, because offense is not the same as it used to be with all the youth, talent, and athleticism that EVERY team is stacked with nowadays. players, on average, are way more athletic nowadays, which is what forced the rule changes...zone defense also makes it a lot easier to stop players from going to the paint. that probably woulda been one of the main tactics used on Jordan, since his shot wasn't always so on-point and the zone gives up jumpshots. and again, nobody wants to acknowledge that Jordan's biggest rival on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler.......then again, I'm speakin to someone who still thinks "Lebron>Kobe"

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Off pure sexiness yes, Lebron> Kobe
no homo

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However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called.   Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.   

Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.

Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks.  The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year.  They WERE great in 2008 though

Exactly, lets sit and wait.  Props on that.


DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe?   Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better.   

Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ

Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, STFU! Jordan had Pippen & Rodman. Kobe had Gasol, Artest, Odom, Bynum, Fisher. Honestly, this years team would have a strong chance to beat the 3-peat team & if there wasn't an on-going argument of MJ vs. Kobe & LeBron vs. Kobe you'd be the first motherfucker to admit that this years team could easily play with, if not beat the 3-peat team; but since you have to make a point that Kobe has "no one", you belittle the current team; fucking pathetic.

& we would "sit back & enjoy" if you didn't make a thread or post (forgot) roughly a year ago saying "I'm convinced Kobe > MJ".

So the Lakers team of the last two years would beat the threepeat Bulls?...In that case, there's no way Kobe isn't better than Jordan. LOL.

No, the Lakers with Shaq.