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Kobe has literally nothing on LeBron but a jumpshot & rings that were won for him by playing team basketball.LeBron alone (or with Mo Williams) 60+ wins, Kobe alone; 40 wins.People being blind to the facts, smh,
^I mean, put steroids aside & Barry Bonds wasn't proven, but he was undoubtedly the greatest player of this generation; he just didn't have the team behind him to win & he even made it to the WS.LeBron had a good squad, honestly, coulda/shoulda made it to the Finals, but he doesn't have no Kobe, LA squad.Larry & Magic won throughout the 80's with STACKED ass teams; Jordan won throughout the 90's with a stacked ass team; & for this decade, the Lakers had an amazing team with Shaq & Kobe & now the super stacked team they currently have, the Spurs had an incredible team with Robinson, Duncan, Parker & Manu, & even the Pistons had a STACKED team when they won.Take the best player off of all those teams I just named, off of all those NBA Champions over the years & ALL of those teams would still be playoff bound, 5, 6, 7 seeds; where the Cavs would honestly be LUCKY to win 30 games this season without LeBron.Sure LeBron has to start winning titles, but look what the Laker stans run to; now if he wins, it's "not legit", give me break lol.EDIT: Also, what you quoted of me, was speaking on terms of pure skills. LeBron is better than Kobe in every aspect except a jumpshot & this imaginary "clutch" factor & "heart" & whatever other unproveable thing ESPN makes up for him to make it seem like they are even.
^I mean, put steroids aside & Barry Bonds wasn't proven, but he was undoubtedly the greatest player of this generation; he just didn't have the team behind him to win & he even made it to the WS.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 31, 2010, 06:08:41 PM^I mean, put steroids aside & Barry Bonds wasn't proven, but he was undoubtedly the greatest player of this generation; he just didn't have the team behind him to win & he even made it to the WS.Ken Griffey Jr > Barry Bonds
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 01, 2010, 11:07:48 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 31, 2010, 06:08:41 PM^I mean, put steroids aside & Barry Bonds wasn't proven, but he was undoubtedly the greatest player of this generation; he just didn't have the team behind him to win & he even made it to the WS.Ken Griffey Jr > Barry Bonds Ringless as well.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 01, 2010, 11:12:48 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 01, 2010, 11:07:48 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 31, 2010, 06:08:41 PM^I mean, put steroids aside & Barry Bonds wasn't proven, but he was undoubtedly the greatest player of this generation; he just didn't have the team behind him to win & he even made it to the WS.Ken Griffey Jr > Barry Bonds Ringless as well. Low Blow! Nah but the ringless argument doesn't work as well in baseball. You can be a great player in ball and not even make the playoffs and it doesn't knock your ability. Look at ARod on the Rangers, dude put up 50+ hr's per year and was probably the best in the game, but Texas sucked so they didn't have a chance. I guess I just don't see much comparison for baseball and basketball, way too different.
^Sorry, had to be done. But I understand, but it's not even the point that they can't carry their team, but that other teams are just better. Same goes for LeBron & the Cavs, he's getting beat by better teams.If LeBron beats the Celtics, they say he beat the "Celtics", not Pierce, not Rondo, but he beat the Celtics; the Celtics lost lol. Where The Cavs lose & it means LeBron lost. I mean, is he even playing on a team or is he by himself?
^Whose better with the ball? LeBron.Whose a better passer? LeBron.Whose a better rebounder? LeBron.Whose better at taking it to the hoop & more dominating & more unstoppable when driving? LeBron.It's not me being moronic, it's you being in denial, which is perfectly okay & understandable.Daygo already proved that Kobe isn't as clutch as Vince, Allan & LeBron. Isn't even as clutch as Pau Gasol. Kobe also takes the most clutch shots & has the most misses, so basically he isn't playing better in the clutch or worse, he's just playing how he does throughout the whole game & your biased force & delusional thinking that he is some second coming of Jesus makes you think he's "stepping up".The only Kobe argument is "clutchness" & rings; one that doesn't exist & one that was won for him by the help of others. As a pure player, who is better all around, not looking at accolades, just what they can do on a court; LeBron is hands down better.
^I put LeBron & Kobe in the same defensive category, don't be twisting words while you're in denial too lmfao.You can say Kobe is the better defender, but it's not by enough to make a difference.I don't care if he's more physically gifted, that's why he's better LMFAO; you can't take away his size just because Kobe doesn't have it.I might as well say, Kobe is a better shooter, obviously, so you can't use that in your argument. Moron. "Running away from pressure", "no desire", "no heart", "not as clutch"; I'd like to see these "heart" & "desire" stats that proves whose better. All I see is Kobe getting an immense amount of help & celebrating when he wins. I saw him threatening to run back when he had no one.DENIAL.