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Quote from: TDOT on February 11, 2011, 12:57:25 PMAnd im fuckin SICK of people saying the lyrical direction was garbage on this. At LEAST half the songs had real fuckin lyrics: Dreams, Hate It Or Love It (hook and 50 mostly), Don't Need You're Love, Start From Scratch, The Documentary, Like Father Like Son and probably 1 or 2 more I can't think of now. You can't possibly hate on any of the lyrics from those. As for the others, their seriously not bad AT ALL. So lyrically, while it's not one of the best, it's as good as you're gonna get from someone like The Game. And I won't even start with the production, one of the best produced albums of all time, I can't decide between this and GRODT in terms of production, probably this (noth the Dre beats though). I disagree that it's the best you'll get from someone like Game. Let me clarify where my issue is. Game is actually a really good lyricist so I'd say it's more the subject matter. You are correct in terms of the album being one of the best produced on a technical level but it almost goes for too much in some cases. On Doctor's Advocate, while the production is not nearly as good on individual songs, the album probably flows a lot smoother because Game has grown considerably as an artist and has a little more to talk about there. I think "Start From Scratch" and "Hate It Or Love It" are incredible songs. Two of the best to come out of that genre in that time period. However when it comes down to the overall flow of the album, the content feels at times very redudant.
And im fuckin SICK of people saying the lyrical direction was garbage on this. At LEAST half the songs had real fuckin lyrics: Dreams, Hate It Or Love It (hook and 50 mostly), Don't Need You're Love, Start From Scratch, The Documentary, Like Father Like Son and probably 1 or 2 more I can't think of now. You can't possibly hate on any of the lyrics from those. As for the others, their seriously not bad AT ALL. So lyrically, while it's not one of the best, it's as good as you're gonna get from someone like The Game. And I won't even start with the production, one of the best produced albums of all time, I can't decide between this and GRODT in terms of production, probably this (noth the Dre beats though).
Dre (of Cool & Dre): “We were passing out CDs heavy back in the day. One of the CDs that we passed out with that beat got into Sha Money XL's hands. That song ended up being the record that really put Cool & Dre on the map. We didn't know Game [at the time], but what's crazy is that our attorney knew a lot of his people. We met him in Miami when he came down here. I can't really pin-point the actual day we met him, but it was shortly after the record was hitting. From there on we got a super close relationship and now we're super cool.“[We made the beat] in Cool's mother’s garage. This was back in the day man. Funny story, after the record blew we did a meeting with Jimmy Iovine—we were gonna do a deal with an artist there—and he asked us about “Hate It or Love It.” He was just like, 'That record is amazing. Do you have the original beat before Dr. Dre touched it?' We were like, ’Yeah, we got it on the laptop.’ He was like, 'I always wanna hear what stuff sounds like before Dre puts the magic to it.’ So we pressed play and I'll never forget his face....he was like, 'Yo it's the same damn beat. Send me the original version.’ We were like, ’This is the original version!’“But Dre had put the most amazing mix on it. Like his mixes are so fucking phenomenal. Trust me there was a difference sonically, but as for the record itself the music was the same. But Dre brought it to life. [As a mixer is] what I think is his greatest quality. His sound placement and how his shit comes out sonically. That's why they're his headphones. His ear for instrument placement is amazing. A Dr. Dre mix is a co-production in our mind because he just kinda brings shit out that was not there and that's what he did. And, if I'm not mistaken at the end of the hook he added a string going into the verse.”Mike Lynn (A&R for Aftermath): “’Hate It Or Love It’ was for 50. 50 called me when he did ’Hate It Or Love It’ like, ’I’m thinking about keeping it for myself and G-Unit, but I might give it to Game.’ He played it for me over the phone and I’m like, ’We gotta have that!’ I knew it had a chance to be a single, but Dre wasn’t 100 percent sure because of the tempo. But when we tested it, it came back and people were definitely into it.‘Hate It Or Love It’ sounded like a sample, Dr. Dre made it sound like a record...If they play you their version and his version, they’re night and day. - Mike Lynn“Dr. Dre completely reproduced that track. He had it replayed. He never took credit for it, he still let them get producer credit, that’s how he is. It’s funny to me when people say, ’Dre took my beat’ and this and that. It’s like, Come on man all that shit is bullshit. I seen so many producers eating out there because their material sounded professional, but in the beginning of their career their music wasn’t nowhere near professional. Dre made it sound professional. Every record on that album Dr. Dre touched. Everything. ’Hate It Or Love It’ sounded like a sample, Dre made it sound like a record. Dre cleaned it up [on the] musical side. He had the baseline played so it actually sounded professional. He made those records. If they play you their version and his version, they’re night and day. He had to [get co-producer credit], he did all the work. [Laughs.]”
What's with BG Knocc Out being credited as a producer on Hate it or Love it?http://www.complex.com/music/2011/02/the-making-of-the-games-the-documentary/hate-it-or-love-it#gallery
Quote from: Marks999 on February 11, 2011, 10:58:52 AMI may be mistaken, but there's nothing to buy or sell about this question.Lyric wise? "The Documentary" was NOT a good album lyric-wise, The Game's topics were made up of name dropping and talking about how he's bringing the West Coast back. How are you going to bring the West Coast back if you're too busy name dropping guys from the past? I'd rate the lyrics a 2.5/5 or 3/5.Beat wise? The production was spot on, thank God. If it weren't for the production, this album would have ended up like his other albums (decent or trash). 4.5/5. Yup. You're right about lyrical content and it's not just the name-dropping. Everytime I play the record straight through, it feels like he mentions "Jesus pieces" on every other song. I think West Coast fans, most noteably on this forum, jump to call something a "classic" because it's a great record that still sounds great. This and "All Eyez On Me" are two albums that although I personally love are just not classics to me.
I may be mistaken, but there's nothing to buy or sell about this question.Lyric wise? "The Documentary" was NOT a good album lyric-wise, The Game's topics were made up of name dropping and talking about how he's bringing the West Coast back. How are you going to bring the West Coast back if you're too busy name dropping guys from the past? I'd rate the lyrics a 2.5/5 or 3/5.Beat wise? The production was spot on, thank God. If it weren't for the production, this album would have ended up like his other albums (decent or trash). 4.5/5.
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