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Pac got on KMEL radio and talked about how Dre wasn't producing anything and said he's a bomb producer but he takes too long to make the beats and he wasn't going to wait for him and Daz, Johnny J, etc. were all grindin out beats and Dre was nowhere to be found. Pac said he was out with the homies thuggin in the streets representing the label and Dre wasn't doing anything.
When J-Flexx had written a track to sean barney rubble's 'basic' beat, Dre done what he done to it, and rapped J-Flexx's track word for word.
Although the 2 never worked together in his studio again (they done video shoots, TV promo's together on TV networks) 2Pac was able to get a beat from him again quite easily in the summer of 96. He arrived at Can Am with a Dre beat to record the Toss It Up song.
Dr Dre was never forced to hand over anything, and didn't have to work with 2Pac if he didn't want to. Suge Knight didn't know anything about any beats he had.
I don't think Pac was Suge's puppet but I think he felt a loyalty to Suge and Frank Alexander has more or less confirmed that there was never a personal issue between Pac and Dre prior to Dre leaving the label outside of him not being in the studio.
And who told him to say all that shit? His owner Suge Knight. Tupac WAS his own man before death row. With Suge he became his servant, slave, lackey, catcher, property, and yes BITCH.
Snoop didn't patch it up with Dre until he went to Master P's No Limit Records.
Again, this is not just me saying this. People who were close to tupac before death row have said the same things repeatedly. I don't remember anyone other than tupac choosing any sides at that time, but even if they did of course they would side with Suge. They were signed to death row. Suge was their slave master at that time. As it turns out we now know that the only person who was his own man an that label was Dre. Everybody else was just content to suck Suge's cock.
By the way, the part about Dre and Eazy talking about a NWA reunion is 100% false. Dre never talked to Eazy directly about that supposed reunion; Dre has claimed on multiple occasions he made peace with Eazy when he was unconscious at the hospital.Unless Dre can read minds, there was no direct contact about that reunion.
Quote from: Escrooge on April 07, 2011, 03:08:40 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 04, 2011, 09:59:51 AMQuote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.truest statement I've heard In a long time....I been thinking the same thing....the man can't even probably put on Detox the artists he would want I bet either!!!he cant... especially if they on another major...its better to have ya own roster 4 shit like this..u aint gotta go thru all the legal shit to get cleared...ex big boi not havin at least one andre3000 verse on his album...its politics
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 04, 2011, 09:59:51 AMQuote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.truest statement I've heard In a long time....I been thinking the same thing....the man can't even probably put on Detox the artists he would want I bet either!!!
Quote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.
Quote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.
Jimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?
Quote from: 3rd Coast on April 07, 2011, 03:14:42 PMQuote from: Escrooge on April 07, 2011, 03:08:40 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 04, 2011, 09:59:51 AMQuote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.truest statement I've heard In a long time....I been thinking the same thing....the man can't even probably put on Detox the artists he would want I bet either!!!he cant... especially if they on another major...its better to have ya own roster 4 shit like this..u aint gotta go thru all the legal shit to get cleared...ex big boi not havin at least one andre3000 verse on his album...its politicsThing is.....Puffy can do whatever the hell he wants. So can Timbaland. Its hard to believe that Dre is the exception. The man should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants on sheer star power. I can't see how its anything other than his lack of being his own man.
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 07, 2011, 03:46:52 PMQuote from: 3rd Coast on April 07, 2011, 03:14:42 PMQuote from: Escrooge on April 07, 2011, 03:08:40 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 04, 2011, 09:59:51 AMQuote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.truest statement I've heard In a long time....I been thinking the same thing....the man can't even probably put on Detox the artists he would want I bet either!!!he cant... especially if they on another major...its better to have ya own roster 4 shit like this..u aint gotta go thru all the legal shit to get cleared...ex big boi not havin at least one andre3000 verse on his album...its politicsThing is.....Puffy can do whatever the hell he wants. So can Timbaland. Its hard to believe that Dre is the exception. The man should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants on sheer star power. I can't see how its anything other than his lack of being his own man.u crazy if u think that...they gotta go thru the same legal shit dre n others go thru..cept they aint perfectionist like dre...
Quote from: 3rd Coast on April 07, 2011, 04:06:58 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 07, 2011, 03:46:52 PMQuote from: 3rd Coast on April 07, 2011, 03:14:42 PMQuote from: Escrooge on April 07, 2011, 03:08:40 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 04, 2011, 09:59:51 AMQuote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.truest statement I've heard In a long time....I been thinking the same thing....the man can't even probably put on Detox the artists he would want I bet either!!!he cant... especially if they on another major...its better to have ya own roster 4 shit like this..u aint gotta go thru all the legal shit to get cleared...ex big boi not havin at least one andre3000 verse on his album...its politicsThing is.....Puffy can do whatever the hell he wants. So can Timbaland. Its hard to believe that Dre is the exception. The man should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants on sheer star power. I can't see how its anything other than his lack of being his own man.u crazy if u think that...they gotta go thru the same legal shit dre n others go thru..cept they aint perfectionist like dre...legal shit? wtf are you talking about? If Puffy wants a feature on his record he gets it.Actually so does Dre. There's all these artists claiming to have worked with him except the shit never comes out.Those dudes put out the albums they want to put out. If Dre is being forced to put out a certain sound its cause his ass is playing slave instead of being his own man.
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 07, 2011, 04:49:48 PMQuote from: 3rd Coast on April 07, 2011, 04:06:58 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 07, 2011, 03:46:52 PMQuote from: 3rd Coast on April 07, 2011, 03:14:42 PMQuote from: Escrooge on April 07, 2011, 03:08:40 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 04, 2011, 09:59:51 AMQuote from: No Compute on April 04, 2011, 09:41:02 AMQuote from: One2free on April 04, 2011, 09:02:03 AMJimmy has the last word in everything involving Aftermath & Dre. Ain't that a bitch?That's called having a job. With a boss.You would think the biggest producer in hip hop since the 90s would be his own boss by now. Dre seems to always need someone telling him what to do.truest statement I've heard In a long time....I been thinking the same thing....the man can't even probably put on Detox the artists he would want I bet either!!!he cant... especially if they on another major...its better to have ya own roster 4 shit like this..u aint gotta go thru all the legal shit to get cleared...ex big boi not havin at least one andre3000 verse on his album...its politicsThing is.....Puffy can do whatever the hell he wants. So can Timbaland. Its hard to believe that Dre is the exception. The man should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants on sheer star power. I can't see how its anything other than his lack of being his own man.u crazy if u think that...they gotta go thru the same legal shit dre n others go thru..cept they aint perfectionist like dre...legal shit? wtf are you talking about? If Puffy wants a feature on his record he gets it.Actually so does Dre. There's all these artists claiming to have worked with him except the shit never comes out.Those dudes put out the albums they want to put out. If Dre is being forced to put out a certain sound its cause his ass is playing slave instead of being his own man.but he seems to be happy with the current situation
I haven't said he doesn't. In fact I've been saying this whole time its up to him. He must like being told what to do.
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 08, 2011, 04:37:58 AMI haven't said he doesn't. In fact I've been saying this whole time its up to him. He must like being told what to do. I'd say Dre probably has more creative freedom than most when it comes to major labels. Nobody (not Puffy, not Wayne, not Jay-Z, not 50 Cent) is getting to make music without answering to someone else. I'd venture to believe Dre likes his spot though. Jimmy's letting him take his sweet-ass time making Detox. He's not getting poorer. Let's look at the track record. It's not like he was afraid to move from similiar situations in the past when he didn't like what was going on.
Those were different situations. Eazy was fucking him out of money, Suge was involved with gangbanging. I don't know the exact relationship he has with Jimmy, but everyone here seems to think that Dre's current musical direction is due to Jimmy's influence. If Snoop can put out an album with country songs, Dre can put out the album he wants. And I'm fairly sure no one was telling Puffy to put out an R&B album. Dre is possibly the only artist who can put out weak disappointing songs and have radio stations playing it, at least until it fails to catch on with the public. If Jimmy is really that controlling to not let Dre do what he wants, he could easily move on to another label. Dre's current music sounds the way it is because either because he wants to do it or someone's telling him to. Take your pick.And if its because someone's telling him to, that's really due to his lack of being his own man.
What everyone here thinks isn't neccesarily relevant. Popular opinion doesn't equal out to truth, no matter how many people believe it. I think every mainstream artist has to follow a formula. There's nobody on any label that can just put out whatever they want regardless of how the public treats it. I don't think Dre can "put out weak dissapointing songs" and have the radio station play it because radio is a business just like anything else. They need the numbers to support what they're doing or they're out of jobs.
look at the way detox is shaping up...every interscope artist got a spot on that shit loldre owes jimmy for bailing his career out multiple times and hence detox is now a promotion vehicle for interscope and beats by dre and nothing more.its lost all of its integrity as a project as far as im concerned.