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Quote from: virtuoso on June 20, 2011, 03:30:08 PMI don't mean to be patronising, but you are being suckered into the game, first they inflate, then they deflate, then they inflate, maybe causing hyper inflation and instead of cutting out the route of the problem, we ask whose throat should I slit?Should I slit the throat of the mum on welfare?Should I slit the throat of the unemployed?Should we have a minimum wage?It goes on and on on, yet meanwhile a few are sitting pretty, and consolidating their power, watching one turn on another and incrementally lowering their living standards and so the wealth transfer creates an even wider disparity.Actually, the ones who get lower living standards are everyone else as the wagon of those who need this and that gets more full. The small percentage of those who need expensive extras is getting bigger, and the majority suffers. All I'm saying is we need to re-evaluate how we do special ed, i mean the kids who are never going to do anything and cant do anything, i feel sorry for them but public schools cant afford them! Why are kids who will never be productive in the least ever being rolled (lol, bad taste) to these schools like its some fucking convalescent home? This isnt some generalized abstract bullshit and its not pulling some mom who needs welfare off of it, its the truth and its quite specific.And if you think this is a deteriorating process which has been slowly eroding at our society, its not. Our care "net" is cast out wider than it ever was, which is the fucking problem. ADD and autism are new, not old. And the ones sitting pretty are no one in this situation, cause normal kids get fucked w bigger classes and overworked teachers, unemployed teachers cant get work, and the special ed kids who cant wipe their own ass still cant wipe their own ass at the end of a costly (to the taxpayers) day. So you tell me who stands to benefit from my plan? The small minority pulling strings from behind a curtain or regular folks like me and you, who dont have a voice because they arent "different" enough?
I don't mean to be patronising, but you are being suckered into the game, first they inflate, then they deflate, then they inflate, maybe causing hyper inflation and instead of cutting out the route of the problem, we ask whose throat should I slit?Should I slit the throat of the mum on welfare?Should I slit the throat of the unemployed?Should we have a minimum wage?It goes on and on on, yet meanwhile a few are sitting pretty, and consolidating their power, watching one turn on another and incrementally lowering their living standards and so the wealth transfer creates an even wider disparity.
You know how else we save money? End the goddamn war.
Quote from: Russell Bell on June 20, 2011, 06:17:52 PMQuote from: virtuoso on June 20, 2011, 03:30:08 PMI don't mean to be patronising, but you are being suckered into the game, first they inflate, then they deflate, then they inflate, maybe causing hyper inflation and instead of cutting out the route of the problem, we ask whose throat should I slit?Should I slit the throat of the mum on welfare?Should I slit the throat of the unemployed?Should we have a minimum wage?It goes on and on on, yet meanwhile a few are sitting pretty, and consolidating their power, watching one turn on another and incrementally lowering their living standards and so the wealth transfer creates an even wider disparity.Actually, the ones who get lower living standards are everyone else as the wagon of those who need this and that gets more full. The small percentage of those who need expensive extras is getting bigger, and the majority suffers. All I'm saying is we need to re-evaluate how we do special ed, i mean the kids who are never going to do anything and cant do anything, i feel sorry for them but public schools cant afford them! Why are kids who will never be productive in the least ever being rolled (lol, bad taste) to these schools like its some fucking convalescent home? This isnt some generalized abstract bullshit and its not pulling some mom who needs welfare off of it, its the truth and its quite specific.And if you think this is a deteriorating process which has been slowly eroding at our society, its not. Our care "net" is cast out wider than it ever was, which is the fucking problem. ADD and autism are new, not old. And the ones sitting pretty are no one in this situation, cause normal kids get fucked w bigger classes and overworked teachers, unemployed teachers cant get work, and the special ed kids who cant wipe their own ass still cant wipe their own ass at the end of a costly (to the taxpayers) day. So you tell me who stands to benefit from my plan? The small minority pulling strings from behind a curtain or regular folks like me and you, who dont have a voice because they arent "different" enough?I don't understand your rebuttal, the reason why the world is up shits creek is due to the expansion of debt, due to the fact that this expansion was being avoided by the richest through their bullshit tax havens, or the bullshit taxes applied to wall street etc. It's theft on an unimaginable scale and on top of which is the offshoring of millions upon millions of jobs. Or the 2 trillion, 3 trillion, etc stolen by from the pentagon budget. The corruption is so common, so inherent, that it's become a cultural aspect of business and government alike. I do agree however that the state should be the ones to deem what is and isn't acceptable to be spending money on.
Well, probably because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with the SPECIFIC topic we are discussing. My rebuttal applied to the small part of your post that applied here, which is a very specific debate on how to control education spending and how to route the money. Yes you can argue about tax code, out of control defense spending, jobs being shipped off, but we're kinda talking about special education, who's eligible, and how big the program should be. See?
Quote from: Russell Bell on June 22, 2011, 05:48:53 PMWell, probably because you are arguing something that has nothing to do with the SPECIFIC topic we are discussing. My rebuttal applied to the small part of your post that applied here, which is a very specific debate on how to control education spending and how to route the money. Yes you can argue about tax code, out of control defense spending, jobs being shipped off, but we're kinda talking about special education, who's eligible, and how big the program should be. See? All these issues are inter-related, you can't deny that. Bad economy = lower revenueLower revenue = higher deficitLower revenue + tax cuts = even lower revenueEven lower revenue = higher deficitHigher deficit = higher interestLower revenue + higher interest + more tax cuts = even lower revenueEven lower revenue + severe spending cuts = worse economyWorse economy = Even lower revenue It's a repeating cycle.
Fuck that. Look y'all. Education is not expensive. For what you get out of it, the cost pales in comparison tot he benefits. Just in California, they cut education funds by 25%. A quarter of what they had is now gone and they were struggling from previous cutbacks. Trillions of dollars is being invested willingly into the US's foreign conquests, but they don't wanna provide the bare minimum in funding that would provide all of their citizens with a quality education. The illiteracy rate in Detroit is 47% right now. Does any of this make sense to anybody?They want you to be stupid, and we're getting fucked in the ass willingly. And its working.
Every citizen is entitled to education in some way, if someone is truly completely incapable of being educated there are already procedures in place to exempt them, and even those are often abused to save money.I lived in a disabled group home for a while in 1999-2000 and the local school district was trying to get out of educating this girl who lived there by saying she was comatose, even though she was smart because she was deaf and mute and they were cheap/lazy. She was supposed to be in 8th grade at the time but because they wasted so much time suing to stop it she got held back in the 5th grade.If it went you're way, that will happen a lot more often.
But then, that's more expensive because of profit taking and often times more fraudulent, like even that group home was private and the lady who ran it was a cheap-ass bitch who made it look like she cared whenever there was money on the line, but she hired untrained illegals to take care of the people instead of qualified nurses so she could profit.