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Quote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on June 27, 2011, 05:27:31 PMQuote from: Jaydc is back on June 27, 2011, 04:52:37 PMLOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debateThat's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.no...ur not a nutrider because of this, lmao, uv been a nutrider wayyyy before.... but notice, i posted up an interesting fact, and instead of refuting it by presenting facts of ur own, u come in here on some bs "kobe chucked up a bunch of shots in that season!", "you're crediting kobe for points he didn't score!!", "I love LeBron!!"....nothing u said was relevant nor did it make any sense...so next time, when i present reasonable statistics that most people dont know, try bringing up valid points instead of speakin out ur ass about how much u love lebron and how no one will ever touch jordan because u said so...son. it not only makes u look dumb, but also gay. step it up.
Quote from: Jaydc is back on June 27, 2011, 04:52:37 PMLOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debateThat's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.
LOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debate
Quote from: Citizen-Y on June 27, 2011, 02:39:49 PM.539 > .469and what percentage is that, exactly? in Jordan's highest scoring season, he shot 48% while averaging less than one 3 point attempted per game. over the course of his career, he shot 49.7%.....having an efficient long range jumpshot>not having a dependable shot from outside. percentages do not take into account how much range u have. Shaq shot 58% on his career...58%>any season Jordan ever had. thats right, son.
.539 > .469
Quote from: NIKCC on June 29, 2011, 01:06:37 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click, literally. on June 27, 2011, 05:27:31 PMQuote from: Jaydc is back on June 27, 2011, 04:52:37 PMLOL thier is NO Kobe vs Jordan debate except in your mind.I don't think I've seen anyone but a laker groupie even think thier is a debateThat's what I'm saying. This guy says I'm bitter...you just sat there & came up with some crazy statistic to attempt to prove a point that is just irrelevant.My favorite part of your posts is how you demand people to agree with you or else they're "nutriding". It's simply amazing how defensive you get when people shut you up.no...ur not a nutrider because of this, lmao, uv been a nutrider wayyyy before.... but notice, i posted up an interesting fact, and instead of refuting it by presenting facts of ur own, u come in here on some bs "kobe chucked up a bunch of shots in that season!", "you're crediting kobe for points he didn't score!!", "I love LeBron!!"....nothing u said was relevant nor did it make any sense...so next time, when i present reasonable statistics that most people dont know, try bringing up valid points instead of speakin out ur ass about how much u love lebron and how no one will ever touch jordan because u said so...son. it not only makes u look dumb, but also gay. step it up.So your response to me saying this statistic is irrelevant is saying "you're a nutrider"? Sounds like you have quite a compelling argument there lol. Really driving home your point of "Kobe > MJ" by talking about me. I gave you facts:1. Neither Jordan or Kobe won in the years we're talking.2. You're talking about the regular season, the same regular season you disregard LeBron's superior stats to Kobe's because they aren't playoff stats.3. MJ's stats you're talking about are from his third year. Kobe's are from his ninth. MJ was still coming up, Kobe was in his absolute prime.4. You pulled a ridiculous statistic you're using for an argument which is based off of "what if's", "probably's" & "most likely's".Bottom line, no matter whether you said it or not, I know you're dumb, Jewish as posted this stat as to say, "IF Kobe played in the league that year, he WOULD HAVE score 40 PPG". Otherwise, what's the purpose of posting it? LOL, for Christ's sake the thread title is "Interesting stat in the Kobe vs Jordan debate...". CLEARLY you're idiotic ass is trying to suggest Kobe is better because "insert ridiculous irrelevant statistic". How can you possibly deny that?Don't take it out on me because you look like a complete moron right now lol.C'mon, "step it up".
Quote from: NIKCC on June 29, 2011, 12:59:20 PMQuote from: Citizen-Y on June 27, 2011, 02:39:49 PM.539 > .469and what percentage is that, exactly? in Jordan's highest scoring season, he shot 48% while averaging less than one 3 point attempted per game. over the course of his career, he shot 49.7%.....having an efficient long range jumpshot>not having a dependable shot from outside. percentages do not take into account how much range u have. Shaq shot 58% on his career...58%>any season Jordan ever had. thats right, son.He led the league in scoring during the year he posted .539 what more do you want son. How about you go by win shares? Oh, you won't bring that up cause Michael shits on your boy in that as well.
NIK sounds so angry when he's dead wrong it's absurd. Sadly enough, I read all of that though.I know in your head you figured writing a lot would cover for you. But for literally the first entire half of that you did nothing but RAMBLE about nothing relevant to the actual topic, just bashing LeBron because you truly think it bothers me. Which just goes to show how ANGRY it makes you when people talk shit about Kobe. You thought talking down about LeBron would eat me inside the way it DESTROYS you to hear about Kobe in a negative light.LeBron wasn't brought up because of anything BUT the fact to prove you're a hypocrite for trying to fight Kobe > MJ with regular season stats when I can easily show LeBron > Kobe with regular season stats, but you said that's "not allowed" because the only thing that matters is the post-season. Right there you lost that one, chief.Next, I SAW KOBE WITHOUT SHAQ LOL. Nigga did absolutely nothing. The year you're talking about, no Shaq, no ring. Getting back to EXACTLY why you're a faggot ass hypocrite because you're talking about a "LeBron-type season" with phenomenal stats & nothing to show for it in the playoffs. Yet THAT'S your argument for Kobe. Do you listen to yourself?Finally, I never said it was a bogus statistic, dipshit. It's just moronic to compare a Jordan season nearly 20 years before Kobe's season. You're talking about two different leagues. Nobody played then that played in Kobe's year (that was relevant in Kobe's year). So inevitably, you're fighting an argument for Kobe that you cannot prove. Like I said & you just keeping saying "I DIDN'T SAY THAT!", you're saying "Imagine Kobe played then, because math proves he would of scored 40 PPG". Why post the stat & say it's "interesting in this debate..." if you didn't think that? You're just denying that's what this is all about because now the more you think about it, the more you realize how fucking stupid you sound. Different teams, different players, different officiating, different era's of basketball.& a side note, LMFAO @ saying "Kobe was the main scoring option" after Shaq, when before this thread it was "Kobe > Shaq" during those years. "Shaq rode Kobe", etc. First the current Lakers team was the greatest, then the past few years you've shitted on everyone not named Kobe, just to fight the argument that he's better. Now you're going back on saying Kobe won those three-peat years by saying Shaq played a bigger role. You're a joke. Also without Shaq winning those rings for Kobe, he would have two rings & even you couldn't defend Kobe over Jordan then.http://www.youtube.com/v/0ePQKD9iBfU
LOL, more & more personal shots with nothing to actually defend your point here.1. You don't need to talk about LeBron anymore, he's irrelevant to this conversation the way you're talking about him. His entire existence in this thread is to prove you're a hypocritical herb who said regular season stats don't mean shit & now you're posting them. End of story there.2. LOL, you serious? Why compare to two when they lost & had no one? Why not compare the two when they won (what you said was more important) & had to be apart of a team instead of just pointless scoring & losing? Compare them at their CHAMPIONSHIP level & MJ doesn't compare.3. In 08-09 the Lakers averaged 107 PPG, in 90-91, the Bulls averaged 110 PPG. That's not even a difference worth mentioning. It doesn't matter what the league is scoring per game, both teams have 48 minutes to score as many points as they can & as far as those numbers go, it's not even a dramatic difference, just more proof this stat means absolutely nothing. 26.8 PPG for Kobe that 08-09 with a ring. MJ in 90-91? 31.5, with a ring. Scoring roughly the same amount of PPG, MJ just scored more because he's better.4. As for Shaq & Kobe, it was more or less just to continue your proof of being a hypocrite. Because you've changed your story on here so many times to fit the fight you're arguing. You literally throw everything you've ever said out & state new things everytime for a new argument.You can follow up with personal shots because you're insecure about how wrong you are, but you're DEAD wrong.
Quote from: NIKCC on June 26, 2011, 11:51:50 PMSome of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.Or, to put it another way:MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJ
Some of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.Or, to put it another way:MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.
Quote from: teecee on June 27, 2011, 02:14:58 PMQuote from: NIKCC on June 26, 2011, 11:51:50 PMSome of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.Or, to put it another way:MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJwhat do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %
Quote from: LooN3y on June 30, 2011, 08:16:57 PMQuote from: teecee on June 27, 2011, 02:14:58 PMQuote from: NIKCC on June 26, 2011, 11:51:50 PMSome of you may already know this, but i never gave much thought to this before today...when comparing Kobe's and Jordan's scoring accomplishments, i noticed how much higher the amount of scoring was in the league back when Jordan played.Just to take the two players highest scoring years as an example, MJ scored 37.1 ppg in 1986-1987, when teams were averaging 109.9 ppg. In contrast, Kobe scored 35.4 ppg in 2005-2006, when teams were averaging 97.1 ppg.Or, to put it another way:MJ: 37.1/109.9 = 0.337579618Kobe: 35.4/97.1 = 0.364572606Kobe's "ratio," based on 109.9 points per game, would have equaled 40.1 ppg.When seen in the context of his era, Kobe's peak scoring is even more impressive.Imagine what Kobe could average if he was as efficient offensively as MJwhat do u mean by efficient, i hope ur not talking about FG percentage. kobe is more of a shooter thus having a lower fg %If Kobe is suchb a great outside shooter, why are his percentages nowhere near guys like Nash or Allen? Even Lebron shoots roughly the same on three's. And NIK, why bring Shaq into this? Kobe and MJ are same size, similar athletically, so thats a legit comparison. MJ got to the rim, and had the best post up game of an outside player ever. Either way, Kobe put up a SHITLOAD of points that one year, props to him. But the Kobe and Jordan debate only exists to Kobe's fanclub; Kobe has done so many things, has so many accomplishments, but you guys know his career isn't, and won't touch Jordan, save for if Kobe stays healthy and beats him strictly on longevity like a Kareem
I can't even argue with you anymore. You don't even respond, you just stick to your personal shit. I.E. point 3 of my last post. You just said, "doesn't matter the league scored low". It does matter moron. You're trying to talk math & don't understand regardless of what everyone else is scoring the Bulls put up 110 PPG & the Lakers 107 PPG in the same 48 minute span to do so. That's not NEARLY as exaggerated as you made it seem by like 20 PPG. & looking at it logically like that, Jordan shits on Kobe. You just like to twist things.But I'll take those desperate attempts at me as a sign that you're clearly reaching.