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Quote from: DJMR on November 12, 2012, 09:50:10 AMQuote from: shoo on November 08, 2012, 07:58:23 AMQuote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 03:14:29 AMnot agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound. i don't want to sound offensive but is it really that hard to read and think? lolseriously now... i never said simple beats are always better than complex ones. I just said most of the classics are simple and great at once. I also said that simple melodies often make better songs/beats. Often doesn't mean always.Yes, you're right saying it's hard to make complex beat but at the end of the day it's not the difficulties what makes a song good or bad.PS. i don't listen to rap music that much these days because i find it more boring than i ever did. I'm more trip-hop/abstract hip-hop head today and believe me or not but imo most of trip-hop producers are the ones who know how to deal with complexity without loosing the vibe.PS2. I don;t find TROY complex at all - it's the same loop all over the song plus sax samples layered on it. this is very simple beat.
Quote from: shoo on November 08, 2012, 07:58:23 AMQuote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 03:14:29 AMnot agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound.
Quote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 03:14:29 AMnot agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)