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Quote from: Remedy360 on April 29, 2013, 04:07:34 AMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on April 29, 2013, 01:09:11 AMQuote from: Remedy360 on April 29, 2013, 12:58:52 AMQuote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on April 23, 2013, 02:45:47 PMCrooked ghost wrote for Kurupt in "tha row" era tooso even the Kingpin isn't above ghost writers adlyI remember Crook talking about this but always wondered about it. Like, what the fuck did he write? Kurupt dropped some weak-ass songs on that era, and even the better stuff was pretty underwhelming lyrically. Dude was holding out on him lolPeople take credit for a hook idea or part of a verse. Dude was probably in the room and chipped in a couple times. Kurupt probably does it tooI don't think I'd brag about any involvement in Kurupts second stint with "Tha Row" IMO "Against Tha Grain" was decent...sure his lyrics were nothing special but his delivery was still vicious and the production was underrated
Quote from: Do Buy Albums on April 29, 2013, 01:09:11 AMQuote from: Remedy360 on April 29, 2013, 12:58:52 AMQuote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on April 23, 2013, 02:45:47 PMCrooked ghost wrote for Kurupt in "tha row" era tooso even the Kingpin isn't above ghost writers adlyI remember Crook talking about this but always wondered about it. Like, what the fuck did he write? Kurupt dropped some weak-ass songs on that era, and even the better stuff was pretty underwhelming lyrically. Dude was holding out on him lolPeople take credit for a hook idea or part of a verse. Dude was probably in the room and chipped in a couple times. Kurupt probably does it tooI don't think I'd brag about any involvement in Kurupts second stint with "Tha Row"
Quote from: Remedy360 on April 29, 2013, 12:58:52 AMQuote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on April 23, 2013, 02:45:47 PMCrooked ghost wrote for Kurupt in "tha row" era tooso even the Kingpin isn't above ghost writers adlyI remember Crook talking about this but always wondered about it. Like, what the fuck did he write? Kurupt dropped some weak-ass songs on that era, and even the better stuff was pretty underwhelming lyrically. Dude was holding out on him lolPeople take credit for a hook idea or part of a verse. Dude was probably in the room and chipped in a couple times. Kurupt probably does it too
Quote from: Hack Wilson 1930 on April 23, 2013, 02:45:47 PMCrooked ghost wrote for Kurupt in "tha row" era tooso even the Kingpin isn't above ghost writers adlyI remember Crook talking about this but always wondered about it. Like, what the fuck did he write? Kurupt dropped some weak-ass songs on that era, and even the better stuff was pretty underwhelming lyrically. Dude was holding out on him lol
Crooked ghost wrote for Kurupt in "tha row" era tooso even the Kingpin isn't above ghost writers adly
Quote from: UCC on April 28, 2013, 04:49:49 PMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on April 28, 2013, 11:07:08 AMDoggfather was probably more like first take stuffYeah, that definitely sums up what it sounded like...Even though I know a lot of people don't like the songs Snoop did with the Neptunes,I did think they were good at getting a good vocal take from him, he sounds morelively on the tracks he did with them than some of his other stuff.You're right, Snoop sounded perfect on a few songs that deserved to blow up. It's a shame in these days of so called producers makin beats on their bedroom PCs, ain't no one producing the artists vocal like that now. People forgot what a producer role should be
Quote from: Do Buy Albums on April 28, 2013, 11:07:08 AMDoggfather was probably more like first take stuffYeah, that definitely sums up what it sounded like...Even though I know a lot of people don't like the songs Snoop did with the Neptunes,I did think they were good at getting a good vocal take from him, he sounds morelively on the tracks he did with them than some of his other stuff.
Doggfather was probably more like first take stuff
tha doggfather is one of snoop's best albums.
"Against Tha Grain" should've been released with songs from the "ATG" EP. Would've been classic.
True. Albums like Da Game is to Be Dold, Malice, and R&G obviously go to the bottom of the list therefor pushing Doggfather up. I never liked the album though. I love dark albums but this album wasn't necessarily dark it was dull and uninspired. He no longer had that youthful energy he had on Doggystyle. The album had no direction, and Snoop really sounded like he was already exhausted from the rap game. It's too bad songs like Street Life, Midnight Love, Head Doctor, etc got plucked.
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 05, 2013, 09:48:10 PMTrue. Albums like Da Game is to Be Dold, Malice, and R&G obviously go to the bottom of the list therefor pushing Doggfather up. I never liked the album though. I love dark albums but this album wasn't necessarily dark it was dull and uninspired. He no longer had that youthful energy he had on Doggystyle. The album had no direction, and Snoop really sounded like he was already exhausted from the rap game. It's too bad songs like Street Life, Midnight Love, Head Doctor, etc got plucked. I think as well, because we had only ever heard Snoop over Dre production up until around 94, no one really realized that on the Chronic and Doggystyle we were hearing Snoop at his very, very best, but everyone just assumed that was "normal" Snoop...So on Tha Doggfather, we actually got "normal" Snoop who didn't have someone to give him 5 star production and get him to do the vocals over and who only ever used his very best vocal takes and never let us hear any of his wacker verses.I very clearly remember a quote from Snoop in an interview around the time of Doggystyle's release where he said something along the lines of,"we made a lot of wack shit, but y'all just didn't hear any of it," referring to how Dre would only go with the very best bits and pieces they recorded.So on Tha Doggfather, it felt like Snoop fell off, but really it was just because we heard way more of his mediocre stuff and takes wherehe didn't push himself or trim away the weaker stuff.To really make another true Snoop Dogg classic, you'd obviously need top-class production, but I think a big part would be that you'dneed to have someone pick out with him the best parts of his verses and the best vocal takes and how Dre told him to half-singparts of his verses and stuff like that... The big problem is, back then, Snoop was just coming into the game, so he would listen to everything Dretold him to do, but now he's "Big Snoop Dogg" (or Lion or whatever) and is "the Boss" it's probably way harder directing him in the studio because he's the big established star now and won't want someone telling him how to do it.
Quote from: UCC on May 06, 2013, 05:37:11 AMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 05, 2013, 09:48:10 PMTrue. Albums like Da Game is to Be Dold, Malice, and R&G obviously go to the bottom of the list therefor pushing Doggfather up. I never liked the album though. I love dark albums but this album wasn't necessarily dark it was dull and uninspired. He no longer had that youthful energy he had on Doggystyle. The album had no direction, and Snoop really sounded like he was already exhausted from the rap game. It's too bad songs like Street Life, Midnight Love, Head Doctor, etc got plucked. I think as well, because we had only ever heard Snoop over Dre production up until around 94, no one really realized that on the Chronic and Doggystyle we were hearing Snoop at his very, very best, but everyone just assumed that was "normal" Snoop...So on Tha Doggfather, we actually got "normal" Snoop who didn't have someone to give him 5 star production and get him to do the vocals over and who only ever used his very best vocal takes and never let us hear any of his wacker verses.I very clearly remember a quote from Snoop in an interview around the time of Doggystyle's release where he said something along the lines of,"we made a lot of wack shit, but y'all just didn't hear any of it," referring to how Dre would only go with the very best bits and pieces they recorded.So on Tha Doggfather, it felt like Snoop fell off, but really it was just because we heard way more of his mediocre stuff and takes wherehe didn't push himself or trim away the weaker stuff.To really make another true Snoop Dogg classic, you'd obviously need top-class production, but I think a big part would be that you'dneed to have someone pick out with him the best parts of his verses and the best vocal takes and how Dre told him to half-singparts of his verses and stuff like that... The big problem is, back then, Snoop was just coming into the game, so he would listen to everything Dretold him to do, but now he's "Big Snoop Dogg" (or Lion or whatever) and is "the Boss" it's probably way harder directing him in the studio because he's the big established star now and won't want someone telling him how to do it.if snoop let me produce his next abum, i'd bring yall a classic...i dont really make beats, but when i oversee a project i take what i've learned from dre and perfect everything to it's full potential
damn it's crazy how snoop went from bein' the ghostwriter to bein' ghostwritten for he got as much ghostwritten shit as eazy e if not more.