Obama Supporters: Defend you position

[Russell Bell]

Obama's first victory in 2008 was the culmination of massive support from women, minorities, Liberals, college students, and some independents.  He also got support although not as much from those same categories the next go round. 

The words were "hope" and "change", which to his supporters and because of carefully planned propaganda, symbolized a "fairer" and more "reasonable" govt headed by a man who would win the Nobel Peace Prize.

Many, like myself, had the forethought to realize that Obama was just a well advertised politician much of the same cloth as Bush Jr and many of the other interventionist, big govt, big spending, and union/special interest pandering types we've had our share of in the White House.

I'm not saying I am perfect or necessarily smarter than those who voted for Obama, and I'm not saying "toldya so" here, but I am asking those members on here who fit the category of Obama Supporter (either present or reformed) to defend this position.

With the spying revelations, big payouts to the ppl who caused the financial crisis (big business and unions alike), and the Obama Administration trying to drum up support for another excursion into the Middle East which will result in another failed regime change, the idea of "hope" and "change" coming from this guy seem even more (yes its possible) ridiculous than before the writing was on the wall.

Members like OG Classic Material, MDogg, and anyone else who supports or supported this man, please give me the case as to why you did/do support this proven liar and huckster.

[MUHFUKKA]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

[Russell Bell]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

props to you for having the balls to say that and i respect the lesser of two evils deal, i just disagree

watch none of these pussies even respond

[M Dogg™]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

[Rick Venom]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

[Aladin]

Voting for any party really does not matter, they are basicly two sides of the same coin.
Yeah you get a little bit left and you get a little bit right policy.

But the important policies are basicly the same for both parties!


You both act like Obama is complete free in his decision.

I disagree.

I am quite surprised about Obama his recent tracking back on Syria. The Attack will come, but it looks like he is hesitating again.

Remember this:

Now look at Obama visting Israel:

[M Dogg™]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.

[Rick Venom]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.

so why did u vote for him twice?

[M Dogg™]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.

so why did u vote for him twice?

Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. 

[Rick Venom]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.

so why did u vote for him twice?

Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. 

lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.

ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.

[Remedy360]

I voted for him the first time around. I was only 19 at the time and was pretty un-educated on the entire thing. I did realize that at the end of the day he was another politician but completely underestimated how slimy the bastard actually is. What gets me the most is how he campaigned on how horrible Bush's foreign policy was and he's pulling the same BS. Not to mention all the spying, financial stuff, etc. I can't stand all the people that were at Bush's throat for all the awful shit he did but are completely ignorant to the fact that this piece of shit is cut from the same cloth.  Just makes me sick to see all the young stupid people my age that hated Bush and refuse to hold Obama accountable. It's obviously worth mentioning that the two-party system as a whole is broken, just the inconsistency of so many people is what irritates me the most.

[M Dogg™]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.

so why did u vote for him twice?

Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. 

lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.

ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.

I was talking more on Syria. Right now that's the main thing I'm looking at. Obama already failed with the NSA. He has failed what I'll call the Bush test. Will liberals get mad if Bush did something like the NSA, yes. So if that's the case, then they should get mad at Obama for doing the same thing. That's already a fail in my books. I'm sitting back right now and watching how he handles Syria. That's my wait and see. This is basically, is Obama a complete fuck up, or just a fuck up.

I voted for him the first time around. I was only 19 at the time and was pretty un-educated on the entire thing. I did realize that at the end of the day he was another politician but completely underestimated how slimy the bastard actually is. What gets me the most is how he campaigned on how horrible Bush's foreign policy was and he's pulling the same BS. Not to mention all the spying, financial stuff, etc. I can't stand all the people that were at Bush's throat for all the awful shit he did but are completely ignorant to the fact that this piece of shit is cut from the same cloth.  Just makes me sick to see all the young stupid people my age that hated Bush and refuse to hold Obama accountable. It's obviously worth mentioning that the two-party system as a whole is broken, just the inconsistency of so many people is what irritates me the most.

The US foreign policy is set by people who have done it for so long. From the days of the Cold War, US foreign policy people don't know nothing else but the Neo-Con philosophy. Right now you take the Neo-Liberalism of corporations, (Globalism) and you mix it with the Neo-Conservative view on foreign policy (preemptive strike for US agenda) and you have a government ran by corporate sponsors who will stop at nothing for the betterment of a few. The two party system was broke ALONG time ago. I personally always wished we have at least 4 viable parties. Hell, lets call it what it is, just unite the Dems and the Reps, get the Libertarians and the Greens as other parties and have 3 real parties.

But it's not a matter of parties that will help our system. The real problem is the money, and the fact that our government exist for the purpose of United States interest. And United States interest is to prop up corporations. It's a very Fascist system in which parts of Socialism are used to appease the majority of people. So well the US is spending literally trillions of dollars on wars so that corporations can have resources, they are giving out millions in benefits which they then call "entitlements" and then blame you for taking those benefits and draining our budget. So what we have done is set up a system which corporations expect to be subsidized, at the cost of the general public who is doing the subsidizing. I don't care if you have 2, 3, 5, or 10 parties. If this is your model of government, then you'll continue to have the same thing.

[V2DHeart]

The entire political system is rigged. Bought and paid for a long time ago. You think Ron Paul is a saviour?

Pauls position is simple. His placement in politics is to carry out 2 things - 1) Provide a voice for those who don't feel represented by ANY of the main 2 candidates, which diminishes the potential of resistance and protest. It returns doubters back to the political farce and 2) Allows the ptb to gather up a database of potential resistance and trouble for the future.

Most who believe in Ron Paul were the same ones who believed in Obama at the start. They haven't quite figured it out

[Fraxxx]

i voted for his fake ass twice simply because i thought he was better then the republican alternative. all politicians are liars that is a given

you did more than vote for him. u was out there preachin his gospel like u was simon peter. stop downplayin yo mancrush, b.

Yep, and you ain't heard a thing pro-Obama from me for a long time. I still support progressive politics. But Obama ain't a progressive.

so why did u vote for him twice?

Because Jill Stein wasn't the answer for the Green Party. And at the time, Obama had NOT gone into Syria for 1 and a half years after the country went to shit. So I thought, why not vote for him again, he isn't going to war with Syria and he's progressive ENOUGH. Less that one year later, we are still at wait and see with Obama. He gave one small hope, but the rest is just shit. He said we aren't the World Police, but then he left the door open to play police. 

lmao.....wait n see with obama? i think its safe to say he put all his cards on the table now.

ppl like u shouldnt be allowed to vote.

I was talking more on Syria. Right now that's the main thing I'm looking at. Obama already failed with the NSA. He has failed what I'll call the Bush test. Will liberals get mad if Bush did something like the NSA, yes. So if that's the case, then they should get mad at Obama for doing the same thing. That's already a fail in my books. I'm sitting back right now and watching how he handles Syria. That's my wait and see. This is basically, is Obama a complete fuck up, or just a fuck up.

I voted for him the first time around. I was only 19 at the time and was pretty un-educated on the entire thing. I did realize that at the end of the day he was another politician but completely underestimated how slimy the bastard actually is. What gets me the most is how he campaigned on how horrible Bush's foreign policy was and he's pulling the same BS. Not to mention all the spying, financial stuff, etc. I can't stand all the people that were at Bush's throat for all the awful shit he did but are completely ignorant to the fact that this piece of shit is cut from the same cloth.  Just makes me sick to see all the young stupid people my age that hated Bush and refuse to hold Obama accountable. It's obviously worth mentioning that the two-party system as a whole is broken, just the inconsistency of so many people is what irritates me the most.

The US foreign policy is set by people who have done it for so long. From the days of the Cold War, US foreign policy people don't know nothing else but the Neo-Con philosophy. Right now you take the Neo-Liberalism of corporations, (Globalism) and you mix it with the Neo-Conservative view on foreign policy (preemptive strike for US agenda) and you have a government ran by corporate sponsors who will stop at nothing for the betterment of a few. The two party system was broke ALONG time ago. I personally always wished we have at least 4 viable parties. Hell, lets call it what it is, just unite the Dems and the Reps, get the Libertarians and the Greens as other parties and have 3 real parties.

But it's not a matter of parties that will help our system. The real problem is the money, and the fact that our government exist for the purpose of United States interest. And United States interest is to prop up corporations. It's a very Fascist system in which parts of Socialism are used to appease the majority of people. So well the US is spending literally trillions of dollars on wars so that corporations can have resources, they are giving out millions in benefits which they then call "entitlements" and then blame you for taking those benefits and draining our budget. So what we have done is set up a system which corporations expect to be subsidized, at the cost of the general public who is doing the subsidizing. I don't care if you have 2, 3, 5, or 10 parties. If this is your model of government, then you'll continue to have the same thing.

lol I was just imagining the sad faces of the students when you're telling them the truth about the political system.

[M Dogg™]

It's more like, they tried to explain why that's not right but they mainly look confused. I was explaining the Prison Industrial Complex to them and they were so angry, but they ended up going in this idealistic rant on why that's not right instead of trying to figure out how to solve the problem. But if you just hear about something, you need to process it before you can act. My job is to plant the seeds.