Doc Rivers: "Lakers are the best franchise in the history of sports"

[Sccit]

Just sayin, if u talkin about stars who transcend the sport, George Mikan is right there

[whoisthis]

right, so it's a technicality. in reality, it's just as important as the BAA titles, but since technically the BAA management is the one who bought out the NBL to form the NBA and not the other way around, it doesnt count towards NBA titles...but once again, were speaking franchises, and the Lakers, as a franchise, have 17 titles. one with the NBL, one with the BAA, and 15 with the NBA...the only team to have a title with all three leagues, which is another plus to the resume.


at the end of the day, we speakin franchises....officially, the lakers as a franchise have 17 titles.


lakers needed 31 appearances to get to that number? thats supposed to be a knock on the lakers?? finals appearances, whether u win or not, is a good thing....those other years where lakers made it to the finals and lost, the celtics werent even good enough to make it, and some of those years, weren't even good enough to make playoffs....so 31 finals appearances means more conference titles for the lakers. in all those years, we were good enough to win the west or win it all=higher success rate...again, 75% of boston's titles came before the 70's, when the competition was not only weaker, but of lower quantity, as well.


if it's about dominance, lakers have won in every era and were always good enough to win or, at the very least, contend for a title...championships in every generation. that's dominance.

It may be a technicality, but it's reality. The NBL is history means as much as ABA history. When people talk about Dr. J, he only gets credit for 1 ring. Even though he won 2 with the ABA. Nobody mentions that the Pacers have 3 championships, because those came from the ABA. That's how it goes.

It's about rings. It's about personnel. It's about dominance.

Celtics have rings in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 00s.
Yanks have rings in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 90s and 00s.
Lakers have rings in the 40s, 50s, 70s, 80s, 00s and 10s.

I bring up the amount of times the Lakers have played in the Finals and lost, because that is relevant. You can say "Oh well the Celtics won in the 60s and the talent level..." But from 57-69, the Celtics won 11 titles. In that time frame, they only missed the Finals once and only lost in the Finals once. They beat Wilt and the Warriors once. Bob Pettit and the Hawks 3 times. And the other 7 times? That was the Lakers. Overall, 9-3 in Finals play in favor of the Celtics.

You just cannot dismiss the level of play then, but give the Lakers the nod for their titles. Going by your logic, since the competition wasn't up to snuff, the Lakers lose 5 NBA titles (6 Overall since you count the NBL title). They also lose 12 appearances (or 13).

From 17, they're not at 11 rings. From 32, they are all way down to 19 appearances.

But, those are technicalities as well. My point is, for the Yankees you do not have to try to discredit their competitors to make them look better. They look great on their own. This topic has turned into a Spin Zone for the Lakers. Cut and dry, the Yankees are just the best Franchise in Sports History. Period.

[MistaNova]

uh, george mikan......wilt chamberlain......kareem abdul-jabbar.......shaquille o'neal......kobe bryant. any of them names ring a bell? smfh. some of those are not just american icons, but GLOBAL ICONS...yes, more global than babe ruth.

go to israel and say the name "joe dimaggio"...people will look at u like u fell off the moon. then say "magic johnson", and if any1 doesnt know who that is, u can look at them like they fell from the moon....again, man, this is just too much. are u a yankee fan or just a laker hater in disguise? pick 1, foreal.

That might be how things are in Israel (I've never been there myself so I don't know how things are there) but I know that Joe DiMaggio is more well known in other Asian countries (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, The Philippines to name a few that I've been to). More than anything because in the far-eastern part of Asia baseball is a lot more popular than basketball, not to mention his relationship with the immortal Marilyn Monroe. The only people in far-east Asia who know who Shaq, Kobe, Magic etc... are are NBA fans who follow the sport religiously. Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio are far more easily recognized names in the far-east than any basketball player.

That said, I wonder who's the bigger name in Europe (Britain, France, Italy etc...), Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan?

[Sccit]

right, so it's a technicality. in reality, it's just as important as the BAA titles, but since technically the BAA management is the one who bought out the NBL to form the NBA and not the other way around, it doesnt count towards NBA titles...but once again, were speaking franchises, and the Lakers, as a franchise, have 17 titles. one with the NBL, one with the BAA, and 15 with the NBA...the only team to have a title with all three leagues, which is another plus to the resume.


at the end of the day, we speakin franchises....officially, the lakers as a franchise have 17 titles.


lakers needed 31 appearances to get to that number? thats supposed to be a knock on the lakers?? finals appearances, whether u win or not, is a good thing....those other years where lakers made it to the finals and lost, the celtics werent even good enough to make it, and some of those years, weren't even good enough to make playoffs....so 31 finals appearances means more conference titles for the lakers. in all those years, we were good enough to win the west or win it all=higher success rate...again, 75% of boston's titles came before the 70's, when the competition was not only weaker, but of lower quantity, as well.


if it's about dominance, lakers have won in every era and were always good enough to win or, at the very least, contend for a title...championships in every generation. that's dominance.

It may be a technicality, but it's reality. The NBL is history means as much as ABA history. When people talk about Dr. J, he only gets credit for 1 ring. Even though he won 2 with the ABA. Nobody mentions that the Pacers have 3 championships, because those came from the ABA. That's how it goes.

It's about rings. It's about personnel. It's about dominance.

Celtics have rings in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 00s.
Yanks have rings in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 90s and 00s.
Lakers have rings in the 40s, 50s, 70s, 80s, 00s and 10s.

I bring up the amount of times the Lakers have played in the Finals and lost, because that is relevant. You can say "Oh well the Celtics won in the 60s and the talent level..." But from 57-69, the Celtics won 11 titles. In that time frame, they only missed the Finals once and only lost in the Finals once. They beat Wilt and the Warriors once. Bob Pettit and the Hawks 3 times. And the other 7 times? That was the Lakers. Overall, 9-3 in Finals play in favor of the Celtics.

You just cannot dismiss the level of play then, but give the Lakers the nod for their titles. Going by your logic, since the competition wasn't up to snuff, the Lakers lose 5 NBA titles (6 Overall since you count the NBL title). They also lose 12 appearances (or 13).

From 17, they're not at 11 rings. From 32, they are all way down to 19 appearances.

But, those are technicalities as well. My point is, for the Yankees you do not have to try to discredit their competitors to make them look better. They look great on their own. This topic has turned into a Spin Zone for the Lakers. Cut and dry, the Yankees are just the best Franchise in Sports History. Period.

lol@"spin zone" .. Fact remains, Lakers have the highest success rate in all of sports. U can spin that however u want, but at the end of the day, facts will remain facts. Being around longer doesn't make u the better franchise.. The success u have in the time period uv been around is what determines that, and there's no arguing the higher success rate for the Lakers, period.

[M Dogg™]

If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,

Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.

[whoisthis]

Not true. The Lakers are tied with the Celtics IF you count the NBL. If you don't, and many don't, then it's the Celtics that have the highest. This is a fact.

[whoisthis]

If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,

Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.

They were not cheats alone though. The entire league was cheating.

[Sccit]

uh, george mikan......wilt chamberlain......kareem abdul-jabbar.......shaquille o'neal......kobe bryant. any of them names ring a bell? smfh. some of those are not just american icons, but GLOBAL ICONS...yes, more global than babe ruth.

go to israel and say the name "joe dimaggio"...people will look at u like u fell off the moon. then say "magic johnson", and if any1 doesnt know who that is, u can look at them like they fell from the moon....again, man, this is just too much. are u a yankee fan or just a laker hater in disguise? pick 1, foreal.

That might be how things are in Israel (I've never been there myself so I don't know how things are there) but I know that Joe DiMaggio is more well known in other Asian countries (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, The Philippines to name a few that I've been to). More than anything because in the far-eastern part of Asia baseball is a lot more popular than basketball, not to mention his relationship with the immortal Marilyn Monroe. The only people in far-east Asia who know who Shaq, Kobe, Magic etc... are are NBA fans who follow the sport religiously. Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio are far more easily recognized names in the far-east than any basketball player.

That said, I wonder who's the bigger name in Europe (Britain, France, Italy etc...), Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan?

Michael Jordan and its not even close..
I know ur an MLB fan and all, but u gota understand that basketball is much more global sport than baseball, more Asians may play baseball, but EVERY country plays basketball.. the name magic Johnson is far more universal than DiMaggio .. Come on now

[Sccit]

If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,

Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.

Still nowhere close to as known as magic Johnson internationally

[Sccit]

Not true. The Lakers are tied with the Celtics IF you count the NBL. If you don't, and many don't, then it's the Celtics that have the highest. This is a fact.

Way more Finals and playoff appearances = higher succes rate. If one team makes the finals and another team doesn't, which one was more successful? Plus, relevance through every era and no real dry spell like the celtics had for 2 decades, and it's really not even close

[whoisthis]

More than half of the teams make the Playoffs in the NBA. That is irrelevant. Look at Baseball, reality is that only 8 teams make the Post-Season. 3 Division winners and a wild card on each side. 16 in the NBA. Making the Playoffs in Baseball is much more of a feat than it is in the NBA. I can't think of the last time a team sub .500 in Baseball ever made the Playoffs.

Jerry West has been to 9 Finals, only winning 1. Does he have a higher success rate than Magic? Kobe? Kareem? No. He only has 1 ring.

In the NBA, nobody has beaten the Lakers in the Finals like the Celtics. In the NBA, nobody Owned a Decade like the Celtics did, outside of maybe the Bulls in the 90's.

In Baseball, nobody owns the Yankees. Nobody owned a time period like the Yankees.

Hence, why the Yankees are the most successful team in Sports history. They are unmatched.

[Sccit]

More than half of the teams make the Playoffs in the NBA. That is irrelevant. Look at Baseball, reality is that only 8 teams make the Post-Season. 3 Division winners and a wild card on each side. 16 in the NBA. Making the Playoffs in Baseball is much more of a feat than it is in the NBA. I can't think of the last time a team sub .500 in Baseball ever made the Playoffs.

Jerry West has been to 9 Finals, only winning 1. Does he have a higher success rate than Magic? Kobe? Kareem? No. He only has 1 ring.

In the NBA, nobody has beaten the Lakers in the Finals like the Celtics. In the NBA, nobody Owned a Decade like the Celtics did, outside of maybe the Bulls in the 90's.

In Baseball, nobody owns the Yankees. Nobody owned a time period like the Yankees.

Hence, why the Yankees are the most successful team in Sports history. They are unmatched.

lol do u realize ur using the exact same arguments I used against u for the laker-Celtic debate against me now? So if playoffs are more impressive in baseball because of that how are laker titles from a generation with double the amount of teams than there was in the 60s not more impressive than Celtic titles won in an era with way less teams and less competition? If it goes one way, it goes the other.


As for jerry west vs magic, of course magic has the higher success rate lol . And that's because magic has 5 rings.. But considering the lakers and celtics are neck and neck in titles, it's conference titles that separates them. Just like a player who's led his team to the playoffs would be considerered more successful than a player who's never been, but the ultimate goal is always the championship.


Now u goin back to sayin the Yankees are unmatched when we already proved lakers have the higher success rate smh

[M Dogg™]

If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,

Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.

Still nowhere close to as known as magic Johnson internationally

HA!

Oh, and you downplay Asia. Asia makes up for over 1/3 of the world's population. If a country plays Cricket (India with over 1.3 billion people) then they know American baseball. Trust me, I have lot of students who know about the Yankees over Lakers.

Plus, based off viewership, baseball is over basketball. This is global viewership.

http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/03/top-10-most-popular-sports-in-the-world/

[whoisthis]

lol do u realize ur using the exact same arguments I used against u for the laker-Celtic debate against me now?

That was the point. You're spinning, so I spun along with you.

[Hack Wilson - real]

Michael Jordan > Magic and Bryant put together