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Quote from: Jimmy H. on November 17, 2013, 01:59:59 PMAnd it's not even just strictly a Biggie thing. I think the situation with the "New York, New York" video straddles a similar line. As an artist, you can always make it the point to not give a fuck but it's good to be weary that what happens can bring consequences. See, this is a matter of perspective. Tha Dogg Pound until this day, say that 'New York, New York' was done out of respect for the East Coast. It was Biggie who went on the radio and said that 2Pac + Tha Dogg Pound are filming in Times Square and what was anyone gonna do about it (although no audio of Biggie on the radio has ever came out).It was only after Tha Dogg Pound + Snoop were shot at did it become a diss, again, because Bad Boy handled the situation wrong. Biggie was absolutely no saint, NEVER once did he ever stand up as a man (let alone a friend of 2Pac) and handle the situation.
And it's not even just strictly a Biggie thing. I think the situation with the "New York, New York" video straddles a similar line. As an artist, you can always make it the point to not give a fuck but it's good to be weary that what happens can bring consequences.
bottom line is biggie didn't have the guts to do it until after Pac was gone. Chino did a radio freestyle on some small college station right after hit em up came out and ripped pac up pretty bad. i got the mp3 but chino reports it when people put it on youtube lol
Quote from: MOBNigga06 on November 16, 2013, 09:04:30 AMListening to Long Kiss Goodnight after all this time, I think Big went harder in this one song than Pac did in all of the many disses he recorded against Big. Most of the shit Pac said was pretty superficial: I fucked your bitch, you're wack, fat, cross-eyed, down syndrome, I let you sleep on my couch, etc. Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight. It's true 'Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight but 2 things to take into account; 1. All of 'Pac's disses were blatant, you could never suggest that he subliminally went at anyone, he really hated the way Bad Boy handled the situation and they DID do some sucker shit to him2. Pac went to New York and was at Saturday Night Live, went to awards shows, etc, basically if anyone disagreed with or wanted to get at him, he was not hard to find. Biggie dissed him when he couldn't respond (by being dead).I'm from the school of thought that both of these things mean something and they are the crux of this difference.
Listening to Long Kiss Goodnight after all this time, I think Big went harder in this one song than Pac did in all of the many disses he recorded against Big. Most of the shit Pac said was pretty superficial: I fucked your bitch, you're wack, fat, cross-eyed, down syndrome, I let you sleep on my couch, etc. Pac never recorded anything like Long Kiss Goodnight.
Puffy says that Big would have mentioned 2Pac's name if he wanted to diss him but Big mentions at the end of the song (Long Kiss OG) that he didn't want to mention names... I forget the reason - I only just heard the track for the first time this afternoon.I do believe one part Puffy said, though, and that is that the song is a just lyrics rather than a direct diss. Big had probably written a gang of stuff over a long period.One interesting thing is that RZA mentions Cappadonna talking "a lot of shit. Cappadonna was on the Raekwon skit where Raekwon is dissing Big for copying Nas' album cover. I cannot hear what Cappadonna says on the track, though, as it's not clear.I think the track features some nice lyrics and I don't think a name has to be mentioned for the track to be a diss record. I do think that Big wanted to diss a lot of people on both coasts to show his superiority, as did 2Pac, and now they're both deceased... In truth, the whole thing started when 2Pac spoke bad about a mob boss (Haitian Jack?) in a NY newspaper.
Nobody here is as gamed up as me, with the possible exception of Mr. Theo.
Yeah, sorry. I meant King Tut.
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