It's May 25, 2024, 05:30:57 AM
But he played great in the system...and actually won. Like more than anyone else. That actually happened. Those events actually took place in the world we...or at least I...live in. He was more productive in the system than Marino was trying to put the team on his back...more successful....BETTER. What in God's green Earth don't you understand about that?AND DONT YOU DARE RESPOND WITH IMAGINARY, FANTASY ROSTERS THAT DIDNT EXIST IN THIS SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM. I do find it funny that you get way more personal than you used too. Manning finally having everything you've cried for years he lacked and STILL get his ass annihilated in the biggest game of his career has destroyed your equilibrium in life.
lmaoooo @ a top ten defense not being enough. Needed the #1 defense or bust. I just don't understand your point. You're just sitting here pouring out your tears over gunslingers not getting enough credit because they can't win because that style of offense doesn't win. So clearly if that hasn't won in 48 years...to continue to try to do that is fucking autistic. So why in the holy fuck are you giving someone credit for losing & bashing championship QBs for being smart enough to play as a team?? YOU. JUST. CRIED. that teams win games...so "Shame on the QB who plays his role on the team"?? Because as far as I'm concerned if you're playing your role as QB on the team & winning 3 Super Bowls (and of course an amazing QB in general) that's MORE IMPRESSIVE than throwing 4,500 yards & losing.But I know you're not talking about Brady this year...lmfao. Don't even start. Those Colt teams back in the day were more talented.Your entire stance is just so flawed. Especially because you don't understand Manning has been winning at least 10 games for over a decade "dominating defenses", but then runs into a real defense in the playoffs (which makes sense because good teams make the playoffs) & he's proven time...and time...and time...and time...and time again, he can't win. Because maybe he's just not as great as the NFL has brainwashed you into thinking. Just playing down to his competition & you're blaming WR's for routes run & his defense giving up 21 points & his running game not being the greatest. When you should just realize Peyton just can't do what Peyton does against real defenses because they're not stupid enough to let this "white knight surrounded by a bunch of niggers" beat them.EVEN MORE FLAWED BECAUSE YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT AGAINST BRADY IS PUTTING BRADY ON ANOTHER TEAM AND SPECULATING ON HOW HE WOULD PLAY.WHICH.IS.FUCKING.RETARDED.BECAUSE.THAT.ISN'T.REALITY.I can't stress how many times I've seen you write "If Peyton was on 'this team' he'd have six rings by now". Like nigga....how the fuck you going to give him credit for something that "could" of happened if the universe was completely different?
A great point. Though one thing I will say is that Unitas also didn't win every year. Also, Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer of all time, and he didn't win every fight. But what defines greatness is how each player and team comes back from these defeats. Now it's worth noting that the Giants designed their defense to adjust to the changing NFL, the first defense to do this. Their D was up there with Seattle's, Baltimore and other D's of today, maybe better. A player like LT was never seen before. Now the first playoff game they meet, the Niners won and Montana made this very costly comment. “I expected more of Lawrence Taylor coming. I got enough of him, but I expected a lot more.” Well the next two years, Montana got a whole lot of LT and the Giants in the playoffs and regular season. But all great players face adversity. The Giants found out how to stop Montana and the westcoast offense. And if that was the final chapter, the Niners go down as a young team with a great new offense who eventually feel victim of adjusting defenses. But that's not the end....The very next year, after that very bad lost, the Niners played the Giants again. Now that was sort of a throw away game, Montana was still injured and the Giants sucked that year. The Niners won. But in 1988, Giants played the Niners, Montana against that great Giant's D led a 4th quarter comeback. 1989, Niners played the Giants, Niners won and Montana almost got 300 yards passing. 1990, Niners played the Giants in a heavy hitting game, a game I still remember. Niners barely won. This led to the playoff game in which I still remember. 1991, Giants won, knocked Montana out the game and ended his 49er career. After two great wins on MNF the last two years, the Giants finally beat the Niners. But since that butt kicking you mention, Montana and the Niners adjust and they get the upper hand in that rivalry. Yes it was the Giants that finally ended the Montana/Niners era, but at the same time Montana did show that he wouldn't just feel the pressure and cower. Yeah, you can look at all QB's and if you put pressure on them then they'd shine in the moment. Brady, Manning, Marino, Unitas. But at the same time, it's about how the QB adjust, and Montana did adjust and showed he can compete with the pressure. That's like Ali coming back at Joe Fraizer and beating him in the rematch, or when he beat Ken Norton. Norton broke Ali's jaw, and Ali cameback and won. Montana did just that to the Giants. And the Giants teams that Montana played in 88-91 were god damn great teams with some of the best defenses ever seen in the NFL.
And my argument is how a team adjust. Yeah, no team has won 10 years in the row like the Celtics did in basketball. Football is a game of adjustments and countering. Montana was pressured by the Giants, and you have to remember the Giants had the best pass rush in football in those days. LT changed the game, they were better suited to beat the 49ers and the westcoast offense. In fact, many teams that year seemed to adjust to the Westcoast offense that year. In the years following the first 2 Super Bowls the Niners saw a huge drop in offensive production and Montana saw a drop in production. This can be attributed to many things, and one of them is defenses adjusting to the Niners. But the key is can a player and team adjust after defeat. I do put some of this on the QB. A QB an react different ways after getting mauled, like Montana was by the Giants or Manning was by the Seahawks. They can either quiver the next time they see that team, or they can step up and sit in the pocket and start to fire rockets. Montana went back against the Giants, looked LT in the eyes and began to slice the Giants up the next THREE time he saw him. You take any QB, and I mean ANY QB and take away their weapons and pressure them, that QB will look bad. There is a reason no team in the NFL wins all 16 games in the Super Bowl, because eventually defenses figure them out. And there is a reason that defense wins Super Bowls, because with 2 weeks to prepare the defense has that much more time to figure out the offense. What Montana did better than anyone was he knew this. He knew this and he was one of the greatest decision makers in the history of the game. He can read a defense and even if he knew he was going to get crushed, he stood there and he delivered. Yeah the Giants had his number, but after that he had their number.
Maybe because I played football, but I do put a lot on the QB. A great QB has command of the huddle and they are able to talk to their players and get their heads on right. In the NFL, these players on the field are the best in the world. There are only 32 (28 in the 80's) starting #1 WR's, 32 starting #2 WR's, 32 starting RB's and 32 starting QB's in all the world. Those players are expected to perform. A great QB is part leader, they are not just some mindless person who takes orders from the coach. Montana will always be remembered for his John Candy comment in the huddle which some players said calmed them down. (though Jerry Rice himself said he didn't hear it... LOL.) I played with a QB who was heavily recruited to Notre Dame, Westpoint and Michigan back in the 90's. He eventually settled with that great football power, Pitzer College... hahaha... but when you played with him he had complete command of the huddle. When he died last year, many teammates who he hadn't talked to in 10 years showed up. He was our leader and we rallied around him. It's why the old saying goes, when you have 2 QB's, you really have none. It's why when Joe Montana went out, the Niners saw a 4 game drop even though Montana was replaced by Steve Young. It's why when Manning left Indy, the Colts went 2-14 and saw an 8 game drop. A QB is that important. And if the rest of the offense is under performing, it's the QB's job to pick them up. Leadership is huge. A defense can impose it's will, a QB has to look on how to adjust their decision making and prepare the next time they play that team.
And one last thing, I think you confuse greatest with the best. In this current era, I'd say Manning is the best QB in the game. Best numbers, best set of skill, best decision making. I might even call him the greatest of this era, since Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl since Spygate. But best does not equate greatness. In the 80's/90's, Marino was the best QB of his era. But even with Jimmy Johnson as coach the Dolphins just didn't win. The Niners on the other hand did win, and a large part of that came from having a QB who was great.
in light of the recent superbowl I change my mindthe best quarterback is Otto GrahamBest QB ever.