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great team...easily top 5 assembled of all-time
Quote from: Sccit on March 18, 2015, 03:35:40 PMgreat team...easily top 5 assembled of all-time That's not a compliment. That's like saying Jordan is a top 5 player or calling Dre a top 5 producer.The only team that can compete with the 96-98 Bulls is the 91-93 Bulls.
Quote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 19, 2015, 08:48:34 AMQuote from: Sccit on March 18, 2015, 03:35:40 PMgreat team...easily top 5 assembled of all-time That's not a compliment. That's like saying Jordan is a top 5 player or calling Dre a top 5 producer.The only team that can compete with the 96-98 Bulls is the 91-93 Bulls. Hum... I'm trying to think... hum... Is the 95-96 Chicago Bulls the greatest team ever? Are the late 90's Bulls the greatest dynasty of all time? I'd say the team that rivals them for that top spot is the 1960's Boston Celtics and the 1980's Lakers. The problem with the 60's Celtics was they didn't face the level of competition as the 90's Bulls, and the 80's Lakers might have have tougher competition but they weren't as dominate and they didn't have no one that could have matched Mike, as MJ would have been guarded by B. Scott and Magic. Here is why I think the 90's Bulls might be the greatest dynasty of all time, and it's highlighted by this man...In the 80's Pat Riley proved to be a great coach when he had Magic and Showtime. But one area he didn't do well was adjustments. Phil is one of the best defensive coaches in the NBA history, if not the best. Plus you can ask, could Showtime win with a different coach other than Riley, hell they won with Paul Westhead, who everyone HATED. The Showtime Lakers were the most full proof team to coach. Anyone can win with them. But the Bulls, it took a very special coach to win with Jordan because Jordan was very hard to coach. If we had as much assess to MJ as we do Kobe, people would truly HATE Jordan and the stories that come out of Chicago. But Phil was able to bring him in and channel him to be the team player that could win. So, at the end of the day, I will agree with Infinite, and I'll give the Bulls their due, but it's because Phil Jackson might be the greatest coach ever and he really figured out a way to win with Jordan and Rodman on the same time.
Quote from: Infinite...I'm back, I'm back on March 19, 2015, 08:48:34 AMQuote from: Sccit on March 18, 2015, 03:35:40 PMgreat team...easily top 5 assembled of all-time That's not a compliment. That's like saying Jordan is a top 5 player or calling Dre a top 5 producer.The only team that can compete with the 96-98 Bulls is the 91-93 Bulls. the 85-86 Celtics are generally considered the best team of all time.
My argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PMMy argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and em
Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:14:05 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PMMy argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and emBut 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PMQuote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:14:05 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PMMy argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and emBut 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen. he was actually better statistically and physically in 1989....but yea, phil got him to play within a team structure. still, magic AND kareem....theyre both argued as GOAT. AND worthy, AND scott, AND cooper, AND mcadoo, AND wilkes. it's insurmountable
Quote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:22:31 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:17:37 PMQuote from: Sccit on March 19, 2015, 07:14:05 PMQuote from: M Dogg™ on March 19, 2015, 07:07:18 PMMy argument for the Bulls is not the players, but the coach. The Lakers have the better collection of talent and their bench was the deepest maybe in NBA history. But in a 7 game series I think Phil Jackson would out coach Part Riley no matter who's on the court.phil jackson also coached the laker team that got swept by dallas.....so the collection of talent is too much for the bulls to overcome just because of a better coach. and pat riley is a legendary coach in his own regard, so it aint like phil jackson vs mike d'antoni we talkin bout....but seriously, jordan was gettin manhandled by the 80s pistons.........no way in hell would any bulls team stand a chance against the showtime lakers. if he lost finals games to the sonics and jazz, then he woulda been SWEPT by magic, kareem, worthy, scott, wilkes, mcadoo, cooper, and emBut 1996 Michael Jordan was far superior to 1989 Michael Jordan. And his team was far superior. He'd have Rodman on his team and a prime Pippen. he was actually better statistically and physically in 1989....but yea, phil got him to play within a team structure. still, magic AND kareem....theyre both argued as GOAT. AND worthy, AND scott, AND cooper, AND mcadoo, AND wilkes. it's insurmountable Except the Bulls won 72 and 69 games back to back years, two of the three best seasons in a row. If you watch both at the time, you saw Phil at his best. When the Lakers got swept by the Mavs, Phil was sick and coaching half time. In 1996, Phil was on top of his game and making Riley look like a fool in the playoffs and in the regular season. He almost beat the Knicks without Mike. And that's were I think the Bulls were highly underrated. They won without MJ, they almost best the Knicks without MJ. They felt more like a team because Phil had them on the right path. Where as the Lakers HATED their coach. They hated Riley. So as a collection of talent, Showtime is better, but as a team, I have to agree with Infinite, the Bulls win because of Phil. I am convinced that without Phil, Jordan would be on the same level as Dr. J and LeBron. Second level superstar.