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Well everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Quik for sure ranks way up there. To me Daz is a great producer when he has help. I was just listening to Dogg Food today, and Dre surely had his hands all over that album. RR&GB- Soopafly, This life I lead- Mike Dean. What has he produced beyond those that are really stellar examples of solid and consistent production that would be worthy of being called the greatest of all time? Not to take anything away from Daz, but to me someone like Battlecat could contend for that spot. Daz has had some great classic production, but hes really just a beat maker who needs the actual greats to make him great. Almost all of his product for the past 13 years has been low budget, terribly mixed, and consistently poor quality. Littered throughout 20-30 releases over the years you would be lucky to find a 3 disc set of classic material. You never hear about any artists enlisting Daz to record their whole album, or even part of it. People like Quik and dre make the album what it is, make the artist shine.
Quote from: suspect#1 on May 14, 2016, 10:04:55 PMWell everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Quik for sure ranks way up there. To me Daz is a great producer when he has help. I was just listening to Dogg Food today, and Dre surely had his hands all over that album. RR&GB- Soopafly, This life I lead- Mike Dean. What has he produced beyond those that are really stellar examples of solid and consistent production that would be worthy of being called the greatest of all time? Not to take anything away from Daz, but to me someone like Battlecat could contend for that spot. Daz has had some great classic production, but hes really just a beat maker who needs the actual greats to make him great. Almost all of his product for the past 13 years has been low budget, terribly mixed, and consistently poor quality. Littered throughout 20-30 releases over the years you would be lucky to find a 3 disc set of classic material. You never hear about any artists enlisting Daz to record their whole album, or even part of it. People like Quik and dre make the album what it is, make the artist shine. To be fair. I can't knock the "help" aspect of it because very few producers are just producing whole records by themselves. If he's recruiting the likes of Soopafly, Mike Dean, or Ivan Johnson, that's what the business is but to be a great producer, you need to be elevating what is brought to you. I don't knock the co-producer aspect of it as long as the quality is there. You may have something of a point with the whole argument about Daz not really producing whole albums. You put Dre or Quik in charge of overseeing a project and there is a definite production standard, whether they are the guy on the boards on every track or not. I can recall Daz doing a whole album on Kurupt back in like 2006 or 2007 when they were getting back together and it wasn't that it was wack but that cohesive Dogg Pound sound wasn't quite what it had been.
I don't think Daz was being hyperbolic in saying that he should be right up there as one of the greatest rap producers of all time as "Dre's right arm". I would put him there. Best rap producers of all time...1. Dre2. Daz3. Warren G4. Johnny J5. Dj Quik
dre ghostproduced at least half of dogg food
why would u even post this? wasnt your whole initiative to prove dre steals beats? this pretty much puts a huge dent in that argument, considerin daz was a major proponent in that debate.
Quote from: Sccit on May 15, 2016, 11:52:53 AM dre ghostproduced at least half of dogg food If Dre helped out Daz with a good chunk of Dogg Food, it's still a Daz-produced project to me. Like I said before, I don't really nitpick with the co-producer aspect of it all because in those Death Row days, the studios were filled with some of the most brilliant artists of the era, the producer isn't necessarily the guy who creates every idea and builds every beat from scratch but he has to be the overseer of it all, taking the best pieces of what is being offered and elevating them to the very best of what they can be. Dre has done that, time and again, with not just songs but the development of albums and artists. Daz has made some great records but I'd like to know why when Dre left, Doggfather and Chronic 2000 were not the kind of albums that had that vibe. You still had a solid stable of producers over there.
Quote from: Sccit on May 15, 2016, 11:50:30 AMwhy would u even post this? wasnt your whole initiative to prove dre steals beats? this pretty much puts a huge dent in that argument, considerin daz was a major proponent in that debate. *Not this foolish mortal again!*This appeared on my youtube subscribe time line the other day. I routinely post West Coast related material and have posted past Daz commentary from the same channel. Why wouldn't I post it? No, my whole initiative wasn't to prove that Dre steals beats. That's just what the irrational Stan in you wanted to read. It's actually pretty pathetic that that's the only thing you walked away with from the various convos we had on the subject. Like I said before, discussing Dre having ghost producing and the overall subject of what a producer is, past discrepancies in credits etc. isn't a personal attack on Dre as you perceived it to be. Actually this does fit part of my argument though. If you are paying attention Daz is saying that Dre doesn't do the music, he just adds his input to better what's there. That's something that I've already said. Dre would get someone to come in and play the bassline or play the pianos. Others do the beats, play the music, he doesn't play any instruments as far as I know. My overall point was the industry practice of others getting the credit/monies for the music that others make while downplaying their role is not fair and it's part of the antiquated music business system. Put the "Moon Rocks" down and pay attention bbq butt.