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Quote from: love33 on March 13, 2017, 11:35:52 PME-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup It’s misleading to say that any of those artists released that album. They are featured on it and it’s none of their best work. Death Row has had far more impressive guest lists prior to this. You are once again, doing the publicist thing. An all-star lineup means nothing if it’s not strong, consistent material. It’s not what you have, it’s how you use it. Plenty of movies with all-star casts that completely suck. Quote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 12:25:06 AM800k isnt badYou didn’t say “isn’t bad”. You said it “rocked the charts”. There is a world of difference between the phrasing here.Quote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 12:25:06 AMChronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?That’s a pointless comparison to even make. Different time, different economy, different musical landscape, drastically different means of selling/promoting music. Are you really that oblivious to “context” that you would think this is a reasonable comparison? But allow me to point out a couple things. 800k is the total number of units sold during its recorded peak period (probably anywhere from 1 year to 3). Since it is a double album, that means it actually sold something like 400,000 physical copies. Snoop’s “Game is to Be Sold” sold over 500,000 physical copies in its first week alone. “Dr. Dre Presents The Aftermath” and “Tha Doggfather” both sold over a million copies. All of Snoop’s albums until about 2006 all have sold over one million copies.
E-40, Scarface, Treach, Dogg Pound, Ant Banks, and Pac if I said those names were leasing a compilation record, thats an all star lineup
800k isnt bad
Chronic 2000 will sell more than Snoop's new album, wanna bet?
I liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2
It’s misleading to say that any of those artists released that album. They are featured on it and it’s none of their best work.
Quote from: S.J on March 14, 2017, 11:45:57 AMI liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)
Quote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 03:31:36 PMQuote from: S.J on March 14, 2017, 11:45:57 AMI liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol
Scarface, Pac, & Treach's name were allover the promo material alongside Dre & Snoop before they pulled them offTreach was on the radio promoting it talking about how he's going to be on The Chronic 2000, he was on Big Boy radio talking about how he's opening up the door for the brand new Row with all the new talent
Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..." Source: http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/
Quote from: Blood$ on March 14, 2017, 03:40:24 PMQuote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 03:31:36 PMQuote from: S.J on March 14, 2017, 11:45:57 AMI liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..." Source: http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/The Death Row website also reported it as GOLD and MTV a few times mentioned it was GOLD, after mentioning Dre's album was certified 5x platinum
Quote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 04:00:52 PMQuote from: Blood$ on March 14, 2017, 03:40:24 PMQuote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 03:31:36 PMQuote from: S.J on March 14, 2017, 11:45:57 AMI liked Chronic 2000 I used to listen to it alot. This may not be a popular opinion on here but I always liked the tracks by Tha Realest and Top Dogg the most. Disc 1 is definitely better. Theres only about 6 good tracks on disc 2I used to post on this board years ago (check my profile, been a member for a long minute), and it seems there used to be A LOT more people on this forum who loved Soopafly, Realest, YGD, Crooked, Doobie, K9, & Eastwood -- the last year or so, I notice there's A LOT of Haters now for some reason who actually hate the Second Death Row Generation (they like the First Death Row Generation, but they hate the second) and will go above and beyond to smear them (some people post some really good objective posts and criticism to be fair, but there's a lot of pure hate "i.e. The Fakest" "Snoop clone," etc. -- The forum has changed A LOT for some reason, maybe a lot of the people who were here before left too back in the day and the new members aren't into it as much -- Case & point, this topic (I ask a simple question which disc you like better and all I hear is "Snoop's was better, that album laid a brick, you're misleading those artists really didn't try hard, etc.)because Soopafly, Crooked I, and Eastwood were the only original rappers not riding the dick of another rapper reaching for fame lol K9 had a few cool joints but he became a joke once he started doing his YouTube rants (which were hilarious though)still waiting on that receipt that says the album sold 800K, any quote from Suge is disqualified... shit barely went Gold if anything which technically means only 250K people bought it in the end, brick status lol Debuting in the Top 10 on the Billboard 200 is rocking the charts!"[Chronic 2000] went gold and debuted in the top 10 on Billboard..." Source: http://www.stereogum.com/1878027/bootleg-tupac-the-chronic-2000-suges-psychotic-revenge-the-weird-forgotten-final-days-of-death-row-records/franchises/weird-90s/The Death Row website also reported it as GOLD and MTV a few times mentioned it was GOLD, after mentioning Dre's album was certified 5x platinumDaz and Kurupt's first solo albums also debuted in the top 10, nobody would say that they rocked the charts tho
Quote from: love33 on March 14, 2017, 03:35:23 PMScarface, Pac, & Treach's name were allover the promo material alongside Dre & Snoop before they pulled them offTreach was on the radio promoting it talking about how he's going to be on The Chronic 2000, he was on Big Boy radio talking about how he's opening up the door for the brand new Row with all the new talent Show me a link to any of these Treach interviews and then we'll talk. Until then, I will remain skeptical.
Treach was actually super close to signing with Death Row in 99 but he eventually just laid low
This is Treach freestyling and talking about Death Row
This is a great interview with Treach talking about 2Pac:
This is Rick Clifford, Death Row engineer until Chronic 2000, talking about how he believes Treach was working with Tha Realest on Chronic 2000, and that Treach and others used Realest and Top Dogg to finish songs:
How am I supposed to dig up old Treach interviews from 1999 with Big Boy? You gotta be kidding me --
Quote from: love33 on March 17, 2017, 12:42:52 AMHow am I supposed to dig up old Treach interviews from 1999 with Big Boy? You gotta be kidding me -- I don't expect you to. Just reading your interpretations of the interviews you posted suggests to me that an exaggerated version of an interview you remember from 18 years ago would probably be nothing like how you describe it anyway. Your recollections of things seem to border on delusional. I think the Rick Clifford interview is actually one of the better descriptions of the downfall of Death Row. He seems pretty knowledgeable on the issues that Death Row had during the "Chronic 2000" period. From the interview he spotted and diagnosed all the problems that plagued that label in 1998-99 from trying to cash in on the "Chronic" name without Dre's involvement, focusing on rappers who were imitations of former artists, and firing up the new roster to diss the old one. Clifford, who was actually there, is not speaking about how this was a fresh roster that got blackballed and was on the verge of being at the top of the rap game. He's breaking it down in real terms. Death Row weren't held back by the establishment. They made the wrong moves.