Collect Call With Suge Knight, Episode 20: Dre Day (HE SMOKES ON HIM GOOD!)

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I did check your RBX album, i already told you that, i wasn't feeling it.  I spared you a negative review and critique because i respect that you tried to put the homie back up, just not in the way i would have gone about doing it.  Way too many guest appearances, the same ahem individual putting himself on 3 or 4 tracks, sounded more like a compilation than an RBX album.  I just personally wasn't feeling it.  Nothing wrong with that is there?  Doesn't mean i didn't peep it.  As I said in a prior post, i'm not going to blindly buy an album just because it's someone from the old West.  There were lots of Daz albums I didn't buy, doesn't mean i don't like the guy.  If an album is good, i'll buy it, if it's not, I won't.  Accept the fact that not everyone here is going to enjoy it, doesn't mean we aren't westcoast rap fans or supporters.  The more an album is forced and pushed and prodded for people to buy, the more it feels like it can't stand on it's own merit.  Insinuating people aren't fans and supporters if we don't buy your album is not a great marketing strategy.     

the bigger point here is that most people don’t care about the info u care about …. so if suge knight talks about those things, his videos will get about a tenth of the hits they do now…. and didn’t see you ever say u checked the album so i assumed u didn’t bother. i only remember u sayin u liked let’s ride when the single dropped…. but more importantly, the general hip-hop consumer no longer cares about these releases. if sam sneed dropped an album today, whether it be a masterpiece or not.. that shits not selling unless he physically goes out and sells it himself. these artists u mention simply dont generate hits.

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Actually that would be interesting

it really would.. but unfortunately no one cares

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the bigger point here is that most people don’t care about the info u care about …. so if suge knight talks about those things, his videos will get about a tenth of the hits they do now…. and didn’t see you ever say u checked the album so i assumed u didn’t bother. i only remember u sayin u liked let’s ride when the single dropped…. but more importantly, the general hip-hop consumer no longer cares about these releases. if sam sneed dropped an album today, whether it be a masterpiece or not.. that shits not selling unless he physically goes out and sells it himself. these artists u mention simply dont generate hits.

That's very true.  Most of these artists who have been around 30+ years, their time in the sun is over and it's someone else's turn to shine.  At this stage in the game, peeps like RBX, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx, etc.  They are releasing albums because they enjoy the art and want to make music.  You were close to RBX, i think even he didn't think this new album was going to go multiplatinum and become a mainstream success.  I'm sure it was a fun little project for him, probably made a little bit of scratch and that's it.  These guys can't stay on top forever.  That's why, hate him or love him, it's very impressive for a guy like Snoop or Dre to still be relevant after all this time.  You have timeless individuals in all forms of music, but they are far and few between.  It's not a knock on the general hip hop consumer, but people move on and find new artists to follow and like as they grow and their music interests and subject matter changes.  Even cats like DJ Quik and Ice Cube who i've always viewed as timeless don't move numbers anymore.  Same thing with Bone.   

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That's very true.  Most of these artists who have been around 30+ years, their time in the sun is over and it's someone else's turn to shine.  At this stage in the game, peeps like RBX, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx, etc.  They are releasing albums because they enjoy the art and want to make music.  You were close to RBX, i think even he didn't think this new album was going to go multiplatinum and become a mainstream success.  I'm sure it was a fun little project for him, probably made a little bit of scratch and that's it.  These guys can't stay on top forever.  That's why, hate him or love him, it's very impressive for a guy like Snoop or Dre to still be relevant after all this time.  You have timeless individuals in all forms of music, but they are far and few between.  It's not a knock on the general hip hop consumer, but people move on and find new artists to follow and like as they grow and their music interests and subject matter changes.  Even cats like DJ Quik and Ice Cube who i've always viewed as timeless don't move numbers anymore.  Same thing with Bone.

this is only in hip-hop…. rock country and most white dominated genres support their legends til the very end .. johnny cash was goin platinum as senior citizen.. rolling stones still debuting at the top of the billboard charts pushing 80….


hip-hop always been the most disrespected genre

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this is only in hip-hop…. rock country and most white dominated genres support their legends til the very end .. johnny cash was goin platinum as senior citizen.. rolling stones still debuting at the top of the billboard charts pushing 80….


hip-hop always been the most disrespected genre

Not sure why the need to throw in the "white dominated" comment, as if it's a racial thing, like black fans of music aren't as loyal as white fans of music.  A lot of hip hop music is subject matter.  The older the fans get, the less interested they are in the hood rap type lyrics.  But then you alienate the younger fans.  There was a comment made recently concerning the song "Grown Up" about Kurupt saying he's a grandfather now and the individual said no one wants to hear rap like that.  And no one believes 60 year olds are pimping and gangbanging.  And then people like Dre are labelled sell outs.  So you're really damned if you do, damned if you don't.  Again, i think it has nothing to do with race.

You also have to remember, mainstream hip hop is relatively young.  Artists from the late 80's are the first generation of rappers who have aged to the "willie nelson" or "johnny cash" levels.  So maybe this will change as future generations of rappers age. 

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Not sure why the need to throw in the "white dominated" comment, as if it's a racial thing, like black fans of music aren't as loyal as white fans of music.  A lot of hip hop music is subject matter.  The older the fans get, the less interested they are in the hood rap type lyrics.  But then you alienate the younger fans.  There was a comment made recently concerning the song "Grown Up" about Kurupt saying he's a grandfather now and the individual said no one wants to hear rap like that.  And no one believes 60 year olds are pimping and gangbanging.  And then people like Dre are labelled sell outs.  So you're really damned if you do, damned if you don't.  Again, i think it has nothing to do with race.

You also have to remember, mainstream hip hop is relatively young.  Artists from the late 80's are the first generation of rappers who have aged to the "willie nelson" or "johnny cash" levels.  So maybe this will change as future generations of rappers age.

it is what it is.. you must be white. not that there’s anytying wrong with that, but it’s well known amongst black folks that the hip-hop genre doesn’t get the same respect as white dominated genres. if this is news to u then it’s probably that.

 


got nothin to do with content … led zeppelin can drop an album today about drinking lemon grass tea and that shits goin platinum off top. rap is a genre where the OGs are told to “give it up” and that “it’s a young man’s game”… which has historically never been the case in music.. this isn’t sports. if you can make music at 20 then u can make music at 60. not all rap is gangsta rap- you got socially political groups like public enemy, storytelling rap like slick rick, lighthearted feel good rap like pharcyde, lyrical rap like ras kass.. that excuse ain’t cuttin it homie.

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it is what it is.. you must be white. not that there’s anytying wrong with that, but it’s well known amongst black folks that the hip-hop genre doesn’t get the same respect as white dominated genres. if this is news to u then it’s probably that.

 


got nothin to do with content … led zeppelin can drop an album today about drinking lemon grass tea and that shits goin platinum off top. rap is a genre where the OGs are told to “give it up” and that “it’s a young man’s game”… which has historically never been the case in music.. this isn’t sports. if you can make music at 20 then u can make music at 60. not all rap is gangsta rap- you got socially political groups like public enemy, storytelling rap like slick rick, lighthearted feel good rap like pharcyde, lyrical rap like ras kass.. that excuse ain’t cuttin it homie.

So you basically saying black people don’t support their musicians and genres with the same loyalty white people support their musicians and genres?

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So you basically saying black people don’t support their musicians and genres with the same loyalty white people support their musicians and genres?

that’s not what i’m saying at all


it’s a layered issue.. there are many factors as to why a black genre won’t be accepted by the general public with the same reverence as a white genre

so to try to narrow it down to one reason won’t do the topic much justice

but what we know for sure is the facts.. legends outside of rap get much more respect, and it’s not up for debate.

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To be fair other black genres don’t have this issue. Old reggae, r&b or soul artists still get supported.

I think a lot of it as was mentioned is it’s a new genre and as a hyper masculine genre it hasn’t adapted yet to older people sticking around and making it. The OG generation are all pushing 60 but they’re the very first to get there, I’d assume it’ll become more common as time goes on to see older rappers

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To be fair other black genres don’t have this issue. Old reggae, r&b or soul artists still get supported.

I think a lot of it as was mentioned is it’s a new genre and as a hyper masculine genre it hasn’t adapted yet to older people sticking around and making it. The OG generation are all pushing 60 but they’re the very first to get there, I’d assume it’ll become more common as time goes on to see older rappers

old school r&b does not get support lol

if SWV dropped an album today it wouldn’t even chart

what old school soul artist still droppin hits??

any OG reggae artists still doin numbers? The Wailers just played the same venue as RBX 🤦‍♂️

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that’s not what i’m saying at all


it’s a layered issue.. there are many factors as to why a black genre won’t be accepted by the general public with the same reverence as a white genre

so to try to narrow it down to one reason won’t do the topic much justice

but what we know for sure is the facts.. legends outside of rap get much more respect, and it’s not up for debate.

List those factors please.  We have plenty of time for discussion.  Because the way you are stating it now, seems like you are blaming the black community for not supporting their musicians long term the same way the white community does.  You said that wasn't what you are saying, so please clarify because you keep bringing up race as being the main issue.  Talking about rap, r&b, raggae and other traditional black genres then saying they don't suport the same way white genres do. 

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To be fair other black genres don’t have this issue. Old reggae, r&b or soul artists still get supported.

I think a lot of it as was mentioned is it’s a new genre and as a hyper masculine genre it hasn’t adapted yet to older people sticking around and making it. The OG generation are all pushing 60 but they’re the very first to get there, I’d assume it’ll become more common as time goes on to see older rappers

100% agree.  This is the first generation of rappers to make it to an older 'legend' status.  And the subject matter as well, it is a hyper masculine genre and i think the majority of fans like hearing about 'hood stuff' and aren't interested in hearing songs about growing old and having grandchildren. 

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List those factors please.  We have plenty of time for discussion.  Because the way you are stating it now, seems like you are blaming the black community for not supporting their musicians long term the same way the white community does.  You said that wasn't what you are saying, so please clarify because you keep bringing up race as being the main issue.  Talking about rap, r&b, raggae and other traditional black genres then saying they don't suport the same way white genres do.

who’s responsible for pushing the music to the masses? is it the black community?

this ain’t rocket science my dude

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100% agree.  This is the first generation of rappers to make it to an older 'legend' status.  And the subject matter as well, it is a hyper masculine genre and i think the majority of fans like hearing about 'hood stuff' and aren't interested in hearing songs about growing old and having grandchildren.

drake is not a gangsta rapper and he’s the biggest thing in rap

kendrick lamar made a critically acclaimed poetry style album about his real life relationships and he’s on top of the game

this idea that people only wana hear gangsta rap and hyper masculine shit is a cop out .. especially in this soft ass era that we in

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who’s responsible for pushing the music to the masses? is it the black community?

this ain’t rocket science my dude

Again, so you're saying the black community has to be spoon fed an artist for them to support?  Why is it up to other people to push black music out to their people, they are fully capable of supporting an artist their entire career without someone 'pushing' them to do so.  Give us more credit than that.