Tha hell happened to all that Nate Dogg musick?

[V2DHeart]

There's nothing wrong with collecting items and memorabilia, but for investment, these tend to be very long term, and often offer lower returns than other investment opportunities. It's probably a bigger gamble than some safe bets (like bullion) I've seen some rare VHS tapes auction for a lot of money. An 80's movie called Chopping Mall, was a cheesy horror movie and something you could have easily picked up in the early 90's for $1 - 3. Now that movie (if in the paper sleeve) sells for around $300 - $1,200 depending on the condition of the cover, and the movie quality.

For music, it would be better to look at publishing and royalties. Tyrese recently had songwriting royalties for sale over a 30 year term, for something like a $20,000 price tag. I think they generated more than the $20,000 in the last 10 years alone, so if those trends continued, that would be over $40K / $50K in profit over the next 20 years. Would Tyrese be appearing in more mainstream movies? Doing something that garners more attention? It's a high purchase price, but some risk is inevitable for these higher end margins. I once purchased 100 Apple shares for just under 10K, back in 2013, money I couldn't really afford to part with. They were $94 a share and I really had no idea where it would go, as I had banked on the apple watch being far more popular than it was upon release and thought I could buy and sell within a couple of years, but that wasn't to be. They Today they are sitting over $200 a share, so I have doubled my money there and just see it as an additional pension sum.

Maybe there would be some Nate royalties for sale now or in the near future 

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There's nothing wrong with collecting items and memorabilia, but for investment, these tend to be very long term, and often offer lower returns than other investment opportunities. It's probably a bigger gamble than some safe bets (like bullion) I've seen some rare VHS tapes auction for a lot of money. An 80's movie called Chopping Mall, was a cheesy horror movie and something you could have easily picked up in the early 90's for $1 - 3. Now that movie (if in the paper sleeve) sells for around $300 - $1,200 depending on the condition of the cover, and the movie quality.

For music, it would be better to look at publishing and royalties. Tyrese recently had songwriting royalties for sale over a 30 year term, for something like a $20,000 price tag. I think they generated more than the $20,000 in the last 10 years alone, so if those trends continued, that would be over $40K / $50K in profit over the next 20 years. Would Tyrese be appearing in more mainstream movies? Doing something that garners more attention? It's a high purchase price, but some risk is inevitable for these higher end margins. I once purchased 100 Apple shares for just under 10K, back in 2013, money I couldn't really afford to part with. They were $94 a share and I really had no idea where it would go, as I had banked on the apple watch being far more popular than it was upon release and thought I could buy and sell within a couple of years, but that wasn't to be. They Today they are sitting over $200 a share, so I have doubled my money there and just see it as an additional pension sum.

Maybe there would be some Nate royalties for sale now or in the near future

You're doing the same thing the other guy is doing. Moving the goal post. I'm not here to argue figures with you guys. I made the comment that it's an investment and it is. It may or may not be the best investment for everyone but it's an investment nevertheless.

[V2DHeart]

I was just going off on a tangent, but no I do agree, that it is an investment, which is why I used the videotape analogy, just that with physical media right now, they often provide lower returns or take a lot longer to accrue value, though it's not always the case and could change in the future. I don't think anyone would have predicted in the late 80's / early 90's that VHS tapes, kept in good nick, could be in excess of $500 a piece in 2024. I threw boxes of VHS tapes out when I upgraded to DVD and kick myself now seeing how much many of them can go for, or even just seeing people create dedicated VHS rooms for the nostalgia.

Nostalgia IMO would set it's own worth to an individual and override a predetermined value, like other commodities. Nostalgia is a very powerful emotion, and hard to put a price on, and I think in time as the world grows even more digitally, with less ownership on physical goods (how many youth have physical games, books, music, movies) then people may seek out physical items from a particular decade, and with time, there's less out there. Even many 78 records have been damaged by music fans, due to not realising that they have to change the needles every time the side of a record is finished playing, which in turn drives up the cost of the existing ones.

Just on the power of nostalgia though, there's a lot of songs out there I won't even listen to, purely because it takes me back to a particular time, not because of it being a bad time (it's not), but because I don't want that nostalgia feeling to 'run out' by over listening to a great song or even an exact album arrangement that can instantly take me back. I think people can get that way with movies, towns and areas. 

[Soopafly DPGC]

You're doing the same thing the other guy is doing. Moving the goal post. I'm not here to argue figures with you guys. I made the comment that it's an investment and it is. It may or may not be the best investment for everyone but it's an investment nevertheless.

Yes, you stated the obvious, it's an investment.  That statement adds nothing to this discussion.  Anything can be an investment.  Buying a bag of chips is also an investment.  We were discussing whether or not something like this is a "smart" investment.  But nontheless, we are getting off topic. 

Bottom line is creating some sort of a collectible Nate Dogg record and attempting to sell it at an exorbitant price for the sake of recouping whatever money the estate would have to sink into the project to make it profitable will never happen.  Plus that's not what the fans would want either.  Someone referenced the one of one Wu Tang album that sold for millions.  No one can hear the music in that scenario either, so it's a moot point. 

Face it, the only way we're getting stuff from the golden age of rap from deceased rappers is from leaks.  I'm just as bummed as everyone else at the way things turned out, but that's how it goes.   

[Sccit]

Yes, you stated the obvious, it's an investment.  That statement adds nothing to this discussion.  Anything can be an investment.  Buying a bag of chips is also an investment.  We were discussing whether or not something like this is a "smart" investment.  But nontheless, we are getting off topic. 

Bottom line is creating some sort of a collectible Nate Dogg record and attempting to sell it at an exorbitant price for the sake of recouping whatever money the estate would have to sink into the project to make it profitable will never happen.  Plus that's not what the fans would want either.  Someone referenced the one of one Wu Tang album that sold for millions.  No one can hear the music in that scenario either, so it's a moot point. 

Face it, the only way we're getting stuff from the golden age of rap from deceased rappers is from leaks.  I'm just as bummed as everyone else at the way things turned out, but that's how it goes.

or major artists buying hooks from the estate

here’s a few

[abusive]

Yes, you stated the obvious, it's an investment.  That statement adds nothing to this discussion.  Anything can be an investment.  Buying a bag of chips is also an investment.  We were discussing whether or not something like this is a "smart" investment.  But nontheless, we are getting off topic. 

Bottom line is creating some sort of a collectible Nate Dogg record and attempting to sell it at an exorbitant price for the sake of recouping whatever money the estate would have to sink into the project to make it profitable will never happen.  Plus that's not what the fans would want either.  Someone referenced the one of one Wu Tang album that sold for millions.  No one can hear the music in that scenario either, so it's a moot point. 

Face it, the only way we're getting stuff from the golden age of rap from deceased rappers is from leaks.  I'm just as bummed as everyone else at the way things turned out, but that's how it goes.

You're getting off topic. I never said that bolded. I posted the Wu album as an example of artist getting creative with their brand. The point isn't moot either because it initially sold for two million and six years later sold for four. Hence it being an investment.

You saying what's a smart investment isn't up to to you to decide, it's up to the consumer. YOU are discussing what's a smart investment.  What YOU consider smart doesn't apply to everyone.  That's you moving the goal post to suit your argument. I only stated that it was an investment. You trying to convince me otherwise while admitting that it is is goofy.

You were wrong about the mastering, you were wrong about the sports cards and your wrong about this.

[Soopafly DPGC]

You're getting off topic. I never said that bolded. I posted the Wu album as an example of artist getting creative with their brand. The point isn't moot either because it initially sold for two million and six years later sold for four. Hence it being an investment.

You saying what's a smart investment isn't up to to you to decide, it's up to the consumer. YOU are discussing what's a smart investment.  What YOU consider smart doesn't apply to everyone.  That's you moving the goal post to suit your argument. I only stated that it was an investment. You trying to convince me otherwise while admitting that it is is goofy.

You were wrong about the mastering, you were wrong about the sports cards and your wrong about this.

We will let reality dictate if i'm 'wrong' or not.  Fact of the matter is the estate ISN'T doing anything with his music.  If there is money to be made, as you say, why wouldn't they be doing something with it?  So, the fact that they aren't, pretty well supports my side of the argument.  The estate has looked into it and decided it wasn't profitable. 

But hey that's cool, you won't be able to invest your 401K into collectible Nate Dogg records, but you still have Funko Pops and baseball cards.  You'll be a multimillionaire in no time. 

[dnjp4life]

I'll qualify what I said in my original post since others here are in the industry and I'll give it up that they have more knowledge than me about these things.

I suppose what I meant to say is that if a new Nate Dogg album came out next month with a single released to build anticipation, and it was hard copies only and wasn't available to stream, either now or in the future it wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that it could sell, let's say 5-10,000 copies over the course of a few years. 

Not immediately, obviously, as I recognise that physical sales have fallen a lot even with the most well-known musicians, but if it was marketed as a limited release then I'd like to think eventually it would shift those numbers.  And I don't mean market it as some sort of investment as I have a handful of rare CDs in my collection but you're not looking at life changing amounts of money if I were to sell them.

Now, I'm fully aware that Nate Dogg's estate aren't going to do this anytime soon but regardless, it would be nice to get one more album or EP of his leftover material at some point down the line.

[hitsaw]

They could release a new 213 album on Death Row.

[abusive]

We will let reality dictate if i'm 'wrong' or not.  Fact of the matter is the estate ISN'T doing anything with his music.  If there is money to be made, as you say, why wouldn't they be doing something with it?  So, the fact that they aren't, pretty well supports my side of the argument.  The estate has looked into it and decided it wasn't profitable. 

But hey that's cool, you won't be able to invest your 401K into collectible Nate Dogg records, but you still have Funko Pops and baseball cards.  You'll be a multimillionaire in no time.

You jumping to conclusions based off of no information at all. The estate may have legal issues and that may be the reason why they aren't putting out the music. There could be lots of reasons.

I knew someone back in the 90's who bought his house and a jeep when he sold off some of his childhood baseball card collection. He had millions in cards but he just didn't sell them all. I made some money a few years back on ebay selling 80's/90's hip hop tapes and various genres of records. Depending on what you have, you can make millions.

You and a few others here need to step your thinking up. There are other types of investment besides stocks, real estate and 401k's.

[shmosh]

They could release a new 213 album on Death Row.

This would be sick but I doubt there’s the material to build a whole album worth of tracks around to be honest

[abusive]

Anything can be an investment.  Buying a bag of chips is also an investment.

"What Is an Investment?
An investment is an asset or item acquired to generate income or gain appreciation. Appreciation is the increase in the value of an asset over time. It requires the outlay of a resource today, like time, effort, and money for a greater payoff in the future, generating a profit."
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investment.asp

^Notice it doesn't say anything about being set for life from the investment, being able to retire from it, or how much the investment appreciates. Only that it will increase in value over time.

The reason a bag of chips wouldn't be considered an investment is due in part to them being mass produced and the short shelf life since it has an expiration date. These two factors alone would more than likely cause the chips to depreciate in value. Despite what you said, scarcity is a factor that does drive up value;

"In a world where mass production and consumerism reign supreme, rarity has become a highly sought-after quality. From limited edition sneakers to rare collectible items, scarcity drives value in the marketplace. But why do people place such high value on rare items? And how does scarcity influence consumer behavior?"
https://medium.com/operations-research-gig/the-power-of-rarity-how-scarcity-drives-value-1e7ce778b8bc

If we were to look at cd's using the chip analogy, mass produced cd's wouldn't have as much value as a limited edition cd. A mass produced cd for the public is considered antiquated technology. A limited edition one, since rare, even though considered antiquated, would be considered a collectable. If the marketing on the cd is done in a way that the public responds to, it would drive the value up even more. I hope you can understand these simple investing concepts.

[Soopafly DPGC]

That’s cool man. You can go to Target right now and find an entire aisle of collectible records from all kinds of music artists. All different colors of records and different covers. From way bigger artists than Nate Dogg. You really should be out there buying them all. And monthly record store day releases of all different kinds of limited edition albums. Better snatch all of them up too.  Great investments, right?  You can pick up a bunch of Funko Pops and baseball cards while you’re there too. You’d practically be printing money at that point.

[Rubinho]

That’s cool man. You can go to Target right now and find an entire aisle of collectible records from all kinds of music artists. All different colors of records and different covers. From way bigger artists than Nate Dogg. You really should be out there buying them all. And monthly record store day releases of all different kinds of limited edition albums. Better snatch all of them up too.  Great investments, right?  You can pick up a bunch of Funko Pops and baseball cards while you’re there too. You’d practically be printing money at that point.

I don't think you can compare this. The "Limited" editions you mention still have ten thousands of copies printed. Real limited edtion with only hundres or thousands of copies will definitely increase in value/price over time

[Soopafly DPGC]

I don't think you can compare this. The "Limited" editions you mention still have ten thousands of copies printed. Real limited edtion with only hundres or thousands of copies will definitely increase in value/price over time

Haha, anytime someone tells you that an investment will "definitely increase in value", run for the hills.  Even long-term proven fortune 500 company stocks always say results are not guaranteed, you may lose money.

You guys don't understand that scarcity and rarity does not equate to value.  I can paint a picture, only one of its kind in the world.  Doesn't mean it's going to be worth anything if no one wants it.  You need to really stop and think if music collectors 30 years from now are going to want to pay a high premium for a Nate Dogg limited edition album.   AND that these investors who are buying them 30 years from now, think that they can increase their money even more in the NEXT 30 years that someone is still going to be wanting a special Nate Dogg album, because the only reason another investor would buy the album from you is if they too think they can increase their money even higher in the next 30 years.  The guy is talented and i love his music, but I seriously doubt people are going to be paying crazy amounts of money for a limited edition Nate Dogg record 60 years from now.