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::Mr. Hahn::

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"The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« on: July 05, 2004, 08:53:16 PM »
I've always wonderd why this album didnt perform to expectation..i mean, it has Nas and his crew etc, Dr. Dre produced...what a combo!, i have a couple tracks from this album...The Message, Phone Tap, Executive Decision, Desperado's, ALL great tracks, i mean, i was addicted to these for ages...

I really like this Eastcoast album produced by Dr. DRE, but DRE himself is these days speaking of a flop. Even though some hot MCs such as Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ, Canibus, Noreaga and Nature participated at the Firm, almost nobody wanted to buy this album.

What happend to this album...it went along unknown...and in the song "Forgot about Dre", he talks about "All them niggas than said that i turned pop, or the firm flopped"

Why?

Anyone like this album...anyone have any reasons? I googled it..all came up with lyrics...
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"But they can't take the respect, that I've earned in my lifetime
And you know they'll never stop the furious force of my rhymes
So like they say, every dog has it's day
And like they say, God works in a mysterious way
So I pray, remembering the days of my youth
As I prepare to meet my moment of truth"
 

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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2004, 08:59:15 PM »
dre wasnt hot at this time
the whole image of nas and them releasing a more gangsta oriented group album didnt work
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::Mr. Hahn::

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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2004, 09:02:07 PM »
But the whole album in itself wasnt bad. I mean...its so unoticed its just...mind boggling...the music itself was good...
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"But they can't take the respect, that I've earned in my lifetime
And you know they'll never stop the furious force of my rhymes
So like they say, every dog has it's day
And like they say, God works in a mysterious way
So I pray, remembering the days of my youth
As I prepare to meet my moment of truth"
 

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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2004, 09:06:46 PM »
yeah i know..i love phone tap and all the other tracks you mentioned
but thats just how the music industry and the fans are.........
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teecee

Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 09:18:58 PM »
Uh, they released Firm Biz as a single....which wasnt a great song at all.  And they didnt have any other signle material type songs; Dre's beats were dope but not guaranteed hits like he had been accustomed to.   As for THE MESSAGE, that wasnt even on the album, it was on Nas' It Was wriiten.

i liked the album, but it wasnt great at all, it flopped b/c people had great expectations and the album was merely average
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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 09:42:04 PM »
flopped cos cormega got replaced by nature. and fans had such high expectations for this album, since it was Dre and Nas, like the first time west coast collaborated with east coast since all the bicoastal rivalry. and i dunno i guess people expected hella good songs, but most of the songs lacked content and subject matter, mainly focusing on sex,money and shit.
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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 09:53:37 PM »
true..sex money and shit...but same as most gangsta rap?
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"But they can't take the respect, that I've earned in my lifetime
And you know they'll never stop the furious force of my rhymes
So like they say, every dog has it's day
And like they say, God works in a mysterious way
So I pray, remembering the days of my youth
As I prepare to meet my moment of truth"
 

We Fly High

Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2004, 10:00:12 PM »
yeha i guess most fans were expecting like storytelling like mafioso type shit..like raekwon style or some shit..but the album failed to go to that extent..
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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2004, 10:25:47 PM »
I don't know why it flopped, it just didn't seem too exciting.  I slept on it, and by reading these posts, I'm gonna check it out now.  When it came out, it looked mediocre, and I wasn't buying the whole "super group" thing when I hadn't even heard of Nature before.
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Don Seer

Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2004, 12:33:26 AM »
it was rushed.. dre got 3 days with them guys in the studio
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::Mr. Hahn::

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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2004, 02:00:17 AM »
ooo..okies..still think its not a bad album.. a lot worse out there that are gettin props i think...
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"But they can't take the respect, that I've earned in my lifetime
And you know they'll never stop the furious force of my rhymes
So like they say, every dog has it's day
And like they say, God works in a mysterious way
So I pray, remembering the days of my youth
As I prepare to meet my moment of truth"
 

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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2004, 02:21:28 AM »
::Mr. Hahn::  i also thought this album was pretty good but alot of people i know never heard of it either ?!? i still bump this album from time to time...

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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2004, 03:41:48 AM »
I didnt think it woz bad at all i still listen to it now i think it failed cus dre woznt poular at that time and nas woz jus gettin famous  8)
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Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2004, 03:50:26 AM »
maybe...i was just wondering...wasnt Dre Famous already by then..wouldnt word spread on how good this album was..its just...so....unnoticed i thought its kinda crazy..
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"But they can't take the respect, that I've earned in my lifetime
And you know they'll never stop the furious force of my rhymes
So like they say, every dog has it's day
And like they say, God works in a mysterious way
So I pray, remembering the days of my youth
As I prepare to meet my moment of truth"
 

Don Seer

Re: "The Firm" Why did it 'flop'?
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2004, 03:51:16 AM »
yup of course he was.. thing is dre only did a couple tracks, i believe trackmasters did more!
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