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meaning that the Jan Jaweed, perform their raids, hide out amongst the people, then reappear, do more dirt, hide out again, and on and on. They have been around for a long time, but they are very hard to identify, they are not an organized group with an organized leader, but rather a mysterious group of bandits who's way of life is dependant on raiding farms and villages.
There is NO ETHNIC CLEANSING[/i]. Last night the Shiek had his son get up and stand next to him. Both of them are very dark skinned, but his son has a long looking nose that is an Arab feature, the Shiek explained that he would be classified as an African and his son would be classified as an Arab. That really, almost all of Sudan is very black and African, (except for a few select Arab tribes) although some of it's people may have Arab features. The Sudanese government for example, is very black, and to any of us we would identify them as black African.
-The government really doesn't have much involvement in the problem. They are not totally innocent, but they are definitely not totally responsible. Some people of the Jan Jaweed joined military wings of the government, just to obtain weapons to pursue their own vigilante objectives.
-The government has absolutely zero involvement in any of the reported "raping" that has taken place in Sudan. It is possible that some ignorant individual amongst the Jan Jaweed may raped a women during their raids, but rape is something in the Sudan that is punishable by death of stoning, and it is something that is HATED[/i] and NEVER[/i] happens in the Sudan.
-The severity of the conflict has been severely miscalculated. The number killed is less than half that of the reported number. The number of refugee's is also much smaller than is being reported. Many of the refugee's live and eat better on the food they are recieving at refugee camps, then the standard of living they had in their villages back home, this has motivated some of them to exzagerate the conflict and leave their homes for refugee camps.
-It is not a situation where the North is Muslim and the South is Christian. Only a small percentage of the South is Christian and despite many efforts made by the West to Christianize the South, the number of Christians is dwendling.
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I stopped posting in here, but I'm gonna make an exception to come here and fuck your whole world up.It's funny to see you try and legitimize Jihad and the actions that are going on in the Sudan. It shows your complete lack of intelligence, common sense, and reason. You're no better than a fucking talking head. How does it feel not to think for yourself? Does it feel good to have somebody else think for you? You're a weak individual.Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 24, 2004, 06:33:23 AMmeaning that the Jan Jaweed, perform their raids, hide out amongst the people, then reappear, do more dirt, hide out again, and on and on. They have been around for a long time, but they are very hard to identify, they are not an organized group with an organized leader, but rather a mysterious group of bandits who's way of life is dependant on raiding farms and villages.So this makes it OK not to do something about the problem? The Arab backed government IS the problem. They are the ones who armed the janjaweed. LOADS of the janjaweed fighters are also members of the official Sudanese army. The Sudanese government gave official military uniforms to janjaweed fighters so they would be able to avoid scrutiny. The janjaweed and the Sudanese air force worked together to destroy whole towns. It just shows your ignorance regarding this issue when you say that there isn't an organized leader. Musa Hilal isn't a leader of the Janjaweed? The US didn't issue a list of the 30 most wanted janjaweed leaders? Boy, I guess your sheik knows more than the United States AND the United Nations! Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 24, 2004, 06:33:23 AMThere is NO ETHNIC CLEANSING[/i]. Last night the Shiek had his son get up and stand next to him. Both of them are very dark skinned, but his son has a long looking nose that is an Arab feature, the Shiek explained that he would be classified as an African and his son would be classified as an Arab. That really, almost all of Sudan is very black and African, (except for a few select Arab tribes) although some of it's people may have Arab features. The Sudanese government for example, is very black, and to any of us we would identify them as black African.No ethnic cleansing? Are you kidding me? Have you done ANY research on this issue or are you just spouting off what the “Sheik” told you? It’s COMMON Knowledge that there is ethnic cleansing going on in the Sudan. The entire world community acknowledges that. One man says different and you take all the evidence to the contrary and agree with him? Do you see how ignorant that is? The sheik that spoke is a bald faced liar. It’s obvious that he’s trying to play on peoples ignorance of the situation to garner support for the Jihad in the Sudan. It’s also funny that you say “A few select Arab tribes” when in reality, 40% of the country’s population is “Arab.” Your ignorance continues. Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 24, 2004, 06:33:23 AM-The government really doesn't have much involvement in the problem. They are not totally innocent, but they are definitely not totally responsible. Some people of the Jan Jaweed joined military wings of the government, just to obtain weapons to pursue their own vigilante objectives.Once again, this is a complete and utter lie. Why would you take the word of this “Sheik” over the ENORMOUS amount of evidence that proves him wrong?Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 24, 2004, 06:33:23 AM -The government has absolutely zero involvement in any of the reported "raping" that has taken place in Sudan. It is possible that some ignorant individual amongst the Jan Jaweed may raped a women during their raids, but rape is something in the Sudan that is punishable by death of stoning, and it is something that is HATED[/i] and NEVER[/i] happens in the Sudan.So you just said that the janjaweed joined the government army, but now the government doesn’t have any involvement in the raping and killing going on? Now you are contradicting your OWN words. It’s obvious to anybody with half a brain that you’re talking out of your ass.Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 24, 2004, 06:33:23 AM-The severity of the conflict has been severely miscalculated. The number killed is less than half that of the reported number. The number of refugee's is also much smaller than is being reported. Many of the refugee's live and eat better on the food they are recieving at refugee camps, then the standard of living they had in their villages back home, this has motivated some of them to exzagerate the conflict and leave their homes for refugee camps.So if the numbers are wrong, that makes everything that’s going on ok? I like how you try and justify that the refugees are better of living on the borders. That’s more of your bankrupt logic. This kid looks like he’s having a GREAT time in the refugee camp. Even if the numbers are cut in half, 500,000 people are displaced, and 15 to 30 thousand people killed since the conflict started last year.Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 24, 2004, 06:33:23 AM-It is not a situation where the North is Muslim and the South is Christian. Only a small percentage of the South is Christian and despite many efforts made by the West to Christianize the South, the number of Christians is dwendling. 2 2 million Christians is a “Small percentage”??? Come on. It’s obvious by your comments above what your true motivation for this post was. You’re trying to justify Jihad and Dhimmitude in the Sudan. You’re trying to support the spread of Islam through violent means. You disgust me with your ignorance. One more question. What about all the local tribes who aren’t “protected” under Sharia? It’s obvious by your comments above what your true motivation for this post was. You’re trying to justify Jihad and Dhimmitude in the Sudan. You’re trying to support the spread of Islam through violent means. You disgust me with your ignorance. One more question. What about all the local tribes who aren’t “protected” under Sharia? I hope your dreams are haunted by the cries of thousands of African babies, murdered in the name of Jihad. For anybody who wants to do some REAL research on the subject rather than ignore facts, should check out these sites.http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/su.htmlhttp://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040830fa_fact1http://www.mideasti.org/countries/countries.php?name=sudanhttp://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02610633.htmhttp://www.fact-index.com/d/di/discrimination_against_non_muslims_in_sudan.html
Quote from: Don Rizzle on May 10, 2006, 03:16:12 AMiraq would just get annexed by iranThat would be a great solution. If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
iraq would just get annexed by iran
Did you guys read anything I said? THE GOVERNMENT IN SUDAN IS EVEN DARKER THAN AFRICAN AMERICAN'S! THEY ARE NOT ARAB![/i] This is the biggest lie of all that this is an ethnic cleansing of Arabs against Africans.
Quote from: Hajj Ibrahim Islam on August 25, 2004, 05:51:28 PMDid you guys read anything I said? THE GOVERNMENT IN SUDAN IS EVEN DARKER THAN AFRICAN AMERICAN'S! THEY ARE NOT ARAB![/i] This is the biggest lie of all that this is an ethnic cleansing of Arabs against Africans. I read everything you said. IT WAS ALL WRONG![/i] The Sheik that spoke was a bald faced liar.
And Britian and America fuel this misunderstanding, they will falsely label black African's as Arab just because of they have a long nose, or an Arab feature, or for no reason other than to divide people.
Don't even post in here Tech. I can sense you thinking about it.
1. the sudanese govt helps, arms and suppots the janjaweed, however they are not direct extentions of the state.
2. govt supports the janjaweed against anti govt rebels aided by chad
3. war is also divided along tribal, economic lines, and ethnic lines s well.
4. both sides are muslims, so this is not a' ''jihad''.
it is not as simple as bloodthirsty arabs massacring africans for the sake of it.